Another elevator joke for you all:
So Pierce Harlan of the False Rape Society blog gets into an elevator ….
Well, OK, not a joke. In his latest post, Harlan offers a reaction, of sorts, to the whole atheist elevator incident –- by relating an anecdote of a recent elevator experience of his own.
EDITED TO ADD: Harlan has now deleted the post in question. It can still be seen, at least for now, in Google’s cache of the original page, which you can find here. Grab screenshots! Back to the story:
Seems he was riding a hotel elevator with a sweet old lady. Neither one said anything to the other (Harlan apparently hates talking to sweet old ladies) but when he got off the elevator – well, let’s let him explain:
I glanced back at her and saw that … she was immobilized with fear. In fact, she was practically cowering in the corner. Her eyes couldn’t have been wider if I had whipped out my dick and lathered it up with Grey Poupon. Hers was the face of utter, unbridled fear, and she was watching me like the scardest of scared deer. She said not a word but her demeanor practically pleaded, “Please don’t rape me, sir!”
Now, Harlan seems to have what you might call a taste for overstatement. He describes feminists as “screeching banshees” and “extremist loons allied with the sexual grievance industry.” I doubt he could describe a chicken-salad sandwich without resorting to angry hyperbole. (That was a little bit of overstatement on my part.) But let’s just assume that there is at least a kernel of truth here: this woman was creeped out by Harlan.
So what was Harlan’s response to this woman’s obvious discomfort?
[N]o one has more empathy for his fellow human beings than I do. The first thought that came to my mind in response to the obvious fear on the face of this pathetic, sweet looking, older woman — who probably never hurt anyone in her entire life — was fuck you!
Obviously we are supposed to ask just what it was that drove Harlan – the self-described world’s most empathetic man – to say something so seemingly callous? Well, as is usually the case with those we write about here, it all comes back to man-hating ladies and their male allies, with their evil insistence on sexual assault education (sorry, “indoctrination”) and their callous demands to “’take back the night,’ although the night has always been theirs.”(I don’t quite know what that means, but it sure sounds selfish of these women to want a whole extra night just for themselves.)
Ours is, Harlan says, “a culture marked by crass, hysterical fear-mongering about male sexual predation and violence.” (Evidently some guys haven’t gotten the memo on this.)
But all this evil misandry seems to have left poor Mr. Harlan in an uncharitable mood towards, well, almost everyone — though he directs his worst opprobrium at sweet old ladies.
Fuck them all. The paranoia of the woman in the elevator is her problem, not mine. Ironically, the elevator, the hotel itself, the car she rode in and the roads she rode on to get to the hotel were all undoubtedly conceived, designed, and built by men — men she’d fear just as much as me if they were standing in that elevator with her. I felt no guilt or shame or bewilderment over the fact that she fears me because of my birth class. Let her fear me. I can’t change it, and I have too much to do to worry about it.
And maybe, just maybe, it’s good that some people fear us. Maybe we should exult in the power we wield by reason of their paranoia. One thing I know: I will never do anything to alleviate their paranoia. In fact, I’m just fine with it, thank you very much. If someday, my riding the elevator causes some old woman to have a heart attack, that, too, is not my problem. Blame it on a culture that I don’t approve of. Blame on sweet looking, older women who give in to the paranoia.
Truly the world’s most empathetic man.
Harlan goes on to talk briefly about the Rebecca Watson elevator incident. Needless to say, he adds nothing interesting to the discussion.
Time for Poll:
This is the NWO worldview:
#1) Straight = Heteronormative privilege…strike one
#2) White = Born with white privilege…strike two
#3) Man = Born with male privilege…strike three
According to feminist logic, by being born I am already guilty by default of being an oppressor.
Since I am a straight white male here is the question:
Do the feminists on the this blog think me an oppressor?
(I believe the list of straight males includes Futrelle, and Zombie. I am sure [it being a common condition of the male half of the species] there are more. I can’t speak to white for an of them).
@Pecunium Nope.
“How can it distract from the mission if it’s such a great example of people you disagree with being wrong and incomprehensible? Wouldn’t it be a perfect display?”
It’s not a false rape post, you nitwit. And as I explained, Shora might have been right.
And, no, Medium Dave, I don’t want to change your “judgement” of me. If you liked me, that means I’m probably not doing my job. But you are unbanned. You still have to adhere to our comments policy. How about you and I debate Rule 413? I’d love to see you employ this unique logic to a real issue sometime.
I’d also like to see Futrelle write about money — or anything original sometime — because I would start a Futrelle blog and just go after him every day of the week. It’s fun to be mean and sarcastic, and to create straw persons, but you can only do that when you’re attacking what someone else has said.
@Pierce Harlan: Why money?
Way to miss the point, NWO. You never cease to amaze.
Because $MONEY$!
Pecunium – You’re part of some historically oppressive groups. (Me too! Frankly, everyone who’s alive, too!)
You, personally, are not an oppressor.
Holly wrote, “Pecunium – You’re part of some historically oppressive groups. (Me too! Frankly, everyone who’s alive, too!)
“You, personally, are not an oppressor.”
Just to get serious for a min, I think this is the distinction that a lot of people have trouble with, not just NWOslave. How do you bridge the gap between what your group has done historically and what you personally have or have not done?
It’s a good question. First I would say,don’t feel guilty about being a part of a group that has privilege, especially when you were born into it. Just don’t lie about, or dismiss, how that privilege was acquired and secured. Recognize when you might be benefitting from that privilege. Recognize when someone else might be suffering from its absence.
It’s sad but true; I like men that are nice to me, and dislike men that are mean to me.
I’m super unfair.
This seems to be the core of every MRA complaint.
Molly Ren – What Nobinayamu said, and I’d add: don’t knowingly leverage your privilege.
That is, I think it’s okay for men to contribute to a discussion being had between men and women (obviously), but it’s not okay for them to expect to be treated as the authority figure in that discussion. I think it’s okay for men to be distressed to encounter women who are afraid of them, but it’s not okay for men to revel in that fear or use it as an excuse for their own offense. It’s okay for men to refer to famous male writers, but it’s not okay for men to dismiss other writers as novelties or niche markets.
Being a white guy is something you can’t help and it’s morally neutral; going around with an attitude of “I’m a white guy, so it’s all about me, my experiences, and how I feel” is taking advantage of your privilege.
(I do not think all white guys do that. A lot don’t and I have no complaint against them.)
create straw persons
he quote you. liberally. he’s not the one who made you look and paranoid. that was you. it’s a little late to whine about it now.
It also offers a little case study of why feminist men earn less than non-feminist men – because they are smarter.
Wait…feminist men are smarter, that’s why they earn less? Do you even read what you write? And you have the gall to lecture Dave on his writing.
I’d love to see someone create a David Futrelle blog–one like Manboobz in format, where it consists mostly of direct quotes and links, and analysis/rebuttal makes up a minority of the text.
I’m not sure what it would prove, exactly, but it would be entertaining to see how far they’d have to stretch.
I see Holly already made my point. I see also that NWO thinks I agree with her on all things, and would never dare to have my own opinion.
what a kakfa-trap™ If I don’t agree with NWO slave I am a mindless fembot slave; condemned to self-flagellation for my oppressive nature.
If I do agree with him I am a hateful man, required to admit the feminists rule the world and enslave me.
Well.. in the world of NWO, where one must be a slave… I choose freedom.
XD
Harlan doesn’t need Dave, nor anyone else to create strawmen; his words (and deeds) speak for themselves.
re privilege: Yeah, the problem is people can’t separate the general from the particular. Well, NWO can, sort of, but it’s all one way: Women are, “privileged” in some things (by his lights; that is the rules say they can’t be discriminated against just for being women; in some circumstances. Not things like unequal pay, but things like funding for sports programs. That’s unfair, per NWO. How it’s unfair to not treat women the same men escapes me, but he says so, so it must be true), so men aren’t systemically favored in any way.
The thing is, people like NWO do see it as a zero-sum game. If a woman’s life gets better, some man’s life just got worse. That’s the part that bothers me about how NWO’s ilk see the world.
Harlan… his pathologies are beyond me. I’ve looked at FRS, every so often, and the sore idea is sound, but the target is pointless, because the relative incidence of false rape accusations; and the actual effect, is small. In itself that smallness wouldn’t matter; if there weren’t other aspects of false accusations that didn’t 1: have more effect, and 2: overlap in such a way that agitating against them (e.g.prosecutorial over-reach, or the exclusion of non-capital punishment favoring jurors from trials) would reduce the problem in ways more beneficial to everyone.
But no, they go on about things that aren’t false rape, in ways that discount rape,and then say those who are upset about that aspect of it are fans of false rape; even going so far as to accuse them of encouraging false rape.
The rhetoric they use in that is just icing on the cake of fail: illustrative of the whole, and no more substantive than it is decorative.
noooo quote fail again, I suck.
The thing is, people like NWO do see it as a zero-sum game. If a woman’s life gets better, some man’s life just got worse.
That explains part of his hatred of me xD Except that the exchange rate between trans ppl and straight cis men is apparently 1 to a million xD But yeah, I think it makes sense now w/ what you said… if I help a trans person, a cis person is being diminished… >_>
@Ami YOU RIP THE SCHOLARSHIPS RIGHT OUT OF THE STRAIGHT PEOPLE’S HANDS111!!!!!
@ Ami: Diminished? I think you mean trampled. By your fashionable girly shoes that NWO not-so-secretly envies!
It is therefore nonsense to imagine that men in general are in danger of being falsely accused of sexual assault.
But in the cases when that did happen… what was going on then?
How could it be that the “privilege” didn’t save them from a wrong conviction?
Take a recent example from Germany: the biology teacher Horst Arnold (white, middle class, middle aged man) was convicted by the regional court of Darmstadt for rape of his 36-yo female colleague. The contradictions of the “victim” and unexplainable lack of evidence didn’t save him. The federal supreme court of Germany uphold the decision of the lower court.
He and his lawyer still fought against the conviction when he was free after five years in prison.
After these years evidence came up to light that his accuser was a chronic pathological liar. She made other false allegations… she even lied that her daughter was killed in a car accident (she didn’t have a daughter at all)… this and other evidence made a retrial possible.
The prosecutor now demanded to get the conviction overturned. This ten year legal battle finally came to an end when the judge said:
“Wee see the defendant as demonstrably not guilty. We believe that the accuser lied and made up the whole story.”
Now, what is the reason that his “privilege” didn’t help him in any way? If privilege isn’t even able to help you against shaky allegations… what is it good for?
Privilege isn’t a magic wand that automatically fixes every situation in the privilege holder’s favor. That’s silly and nobody says that. It’s a set of advantages and built in social biases that tend to bend situations in to his advantage. It’s also not something you can argue against using cherry-picked anecdotes.
And come the fuck on, you’re a big boy, stop with the scare quotes. If you had swapped out accuser for “victim” everyone would have understood what your were saying.
Pecunian said: “Harlan… his pathologies are beyond me.”
So is any inkling about the false rape phenomenon. You and the other armchair-know-it-alls/Futrelle-sycophants should read this primer on the subject before you share your “knowledge” of false rape claims with anyone else: http://falserapesociety.blogspot.com/p/lamb-to-slaughter-hofstra-false-rape.html