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A man and an old lady get in an elevator

Those "sweet" old ladies are anything but.

Another elevator joke for you all:

So Pierce Harlan of the False Rape Society blog gets into an elevator ….

Well, OK, not a joke. In his latest post, Harlan offers a reaction, of sorts, to the whole atheist elevator incident –- by relating an anecdote of a recent elevator experience of his own.

EDITED TO ADD: Harlan has now deleted the post in question. It can still be seen, at least for now, in Google’s cache of the original page, which you can find here. Grab screenshots! Back to the story:

Seems he was riding a hotel elevator with a sweet old lady. Neither one said anything to the other (Harlan apparently hates talking to sweet old ladies) but when he got off the elevator – well, let’s let him explain:

I glanced back at her and saw that … she was immobilized with fear. In fact, she was practically cowering in the corner. Her eyes couldn’t have been wider if I had whipped out my dick and lathered it up with Grey Poupon.  Hers was the face of utter, unbridled fear, and she was watching me like the scardest of scared deer. She said not a word but her demeanor practically pleaded, “Please don’t rape me, sir!”

Now, Harlan seems to have what you might call a taste for overstatement. He describes feminists as “screeching banshees” and “extremist loons allied with the sexual grievance industry.” I doubt he could describe a chicken-salad sandwich without resorting to angry hyperbole. (That was a little bit of overstatement on my part.) But let’s just assume that there is at least a kernel of truth here: this woman was creeped out by Harlan.

So what was Harlan’s response to this woman’s obvious discomfort?

 [N]o one has more empathy for his fellow human beings than I do. The first thought that came to my mind in response to the obvious fear on the face of this pathetic, sweet looking, older woman — who probably never hurt anyone in her entire life — was fuck you!

Obviously we are supposed to ask just what it was that drove Harlan – the self-described world’s most empathetic man – to say something so seemingly callous? Well, as is usually the case with those we write about here, it all comes back to man-hating ladies and their male allies, with their evil insistence on sexual assault education (sorry, “indoctrination”) and their callous demands to “’take back the night,’ although the night has always been theirs.”(I don’t quite know what that means, but it sure sounds selfish of these women to want a whole extra night just for themselves.)

Ours is, Harlan says, “a culture marked by crass, hysterical fear-mongering about male sexual predation and violence.” (Evidently some guys haven’t gotten the memo on this.)

But all this evil misandry seems to have left poor Mr. Harlan in an uncharitable mood towards, well, almost everyone — though he directs his worst opprobrium at sweet old ladies.

Fuck them all. The paranoia of the woman in the elevator is her problem, not mine. Ironically, the elevator, the hotel itself, the car she rode in and the roads she rode on to get to the hotel were all undoubtedly conceived, designed, and built by men — men she’d fear just as much as me if they were standing in that elevator with her. I felt no guilt or shame or bewilderment over the fact that she fears me because of my birth class. Let her fear me. I can’t change it, and I have too much to do to worry about it.

And maybe, just maybe, it’s good that some people fear us. Maybe we should exult in the power we wield by reason of their paranoia. One thing I know: I will never do anything to alleviate their paranoia. In fact, I’m just fine with it, thank you very much. If someday, my riding the elevator causes some old woman to have a heart attack, that, too, is not my problem.  Blame it on a culture that I don’t approve of. Blame on sweet looking, older women who give in to the paranoia.

Truly the world’s most empathetic man.

Harlan goes on to talk briefly about the Rebecca Watson elevator incident. Needless to say, he adds nothing interesting to the discussion.

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mediumdave
mediumdave
9 years ago

That’s dishonest. You can’t have it both ways…

Yes! And where the fuck does Marc get off parsing my “meaning” when English isn’t even his first language, whereas I learned it at the knees of my father and mother? I know what I meant, and I said what I meant.

Marc
Marc
9 years ago

Yes, you are. You are not my friend, and I don’t want your friendship. You’re no different than Mr. Harlan… and this is not a minor quarrel. You massacred my words, and I do not forgive that. Now go fuck yourself (please).

Where did I do this? Where did I massacre your words, please?

And why I am no different than Mr. Harlan? I demand an explanation for these evil accusations!

Marc
Marc
9 years ago

Yes! And where the fuck does Marc get off parsing my “meaning” when English isn’t even his first language, whereas I learned it at the knees of my father and mother? I know what I meant, and I said what I meant.

I have done nothing to deserve such a treatment of you. I gave you all my apologies, but you rejected them!

You misrepresent people. You say false things.

Where did I say false things, could you quote me please!

You argue, for whatever reason, in parallel with MRAs.

Where was this the case? Where did I argue parallel with MRAs, please

It’s not a case of “with us or against us”, there are lots of people who just don’t care. So long as they aren’t going about saying feminism is things it’s not,

Have I ever said “feminism is this” or “feminism is that”?

or arguing against equality, they are neutral.

What type of equality do you mean?

mediumdave
mediumdave
9 years ago

Oh, ha ha.

Jesus F. Christ on a pogo stick! What will it take to get through to you, Marc?

Marc
Marc
9 years ago

You aren’t doing that. You are posting ad absurdem arguments, and then getting offended when it’s pointed out that your arguments are nonsense. You are making weak, or non-relevant analogies, and defending them.

Then you turn around, having vehemently defended what you said, and claim the misunderstandings are because you aren’t a native speaker of English.

That’s dishonest.

Why is that dishonest? Why?

You can’t have it both ways: that your grasp of English is so great that you can design irrefutable arguments by analogy, and that your English is so weak it’s causing the “misunderstandings” you say are the root cause of the problem.

Why can’t I have it both ways, why? Why is it dishonest to defend my analogies, even if I defend them strongly? And where have I ever said that the misunderstandings (regarding the analogies) are caused by my difficulties with English?

Marc
Marc
9 years ago

Jesus F. Christ on a pogo stick! What will it take to get through to you, Marc?

Just one question: Why are you treating me that way you do?

mediumdave
mediumdave
9 years ago

Maybe I’m not addressing an actual human here. Maybe “Marc” is really a sophisticated AI algorithm, engaging in some kind of secret Turing test. That would explain why he seems “off.” Hey, for that matter it would explain a lot of the “Internet trolls” that I come across.

speedlines
speedlines
9 years ago

I think Marc is a four-year-old. That would explain the constant refrain of WHY WHY WHY WHY WHY

Marc
Marc
9 years ago

No, I’m certainly not a bot, I’m a human being with real feelings, you know. Of course you are writing in a style that shows everybody that you don’t recognize me as one. And then you complain about the responses.

That would explain why he seems “off.” Hey, for that matter it would explain a lot of the “Internet trolls” that I come across.

You are not able to participate in a discussion, to be coherent. You don’t accept my apologies. If I ask you, to prove you accusations, that “I crippled your quotes”, you don’t reply.
Is all that my fault?

And why do you accuse me being an Internet troll… what’s with the quotes anyway? What’s the difference between a troll and a “troll”, please — explain me just that!

mediumdave
mediumdave
9 years ago

I think Marc is a four-year-old. That would explain the constant refrain of WHY WHY WHY WHY WHY…

Also a more likely explanation than “he’s a grown man.” Jeebus!

Y’know, it amused me that in the (now sadly deleted) comment thread over at FRS, Mr. Harlan (aka the Archivist) accused me of sounding like a 16-year-old simply because I used the word “bogus”. That would still leave me a decade ahead of Mr. Harlan… he sounds like a six-year-old.

Marc
Marc
9 years ago

I think Marc is a four-year-old. That would explain the constant refrain of WHY WHY WHY WHY WHY

Yes, as you noticed, there’s one thing I have in common with a four-year-old, that’s my curiosity. And now could you please act like an adult, too and stop your stupid mockery.

mediumdave
mediumdave
9 years ago

I’m a human being with real feelings, you know…

No, I don’t know. Because you haven’t shown any real feelings. Dude, get angry! Show some feelings… any feelings… that’s what a real human would do. To me, you might as well be an algorithm. And you have not apologized to me… not that I want you to. Just go away. Please.

Pecunium
9 years ago

Marc: Maybe it’s a language problem that you don’t understand me, mind you, I am not a native speaker.

That’s where you said it. Now… if you didn’t mean it, then again we have a case of dishonesty.

As regards your apologies, I would say they were rejected because they don’t seem sincere.

You’ve spent effort saying people who analyse your arguments are nit-picking. Then you go and analyse theirs. At best it seems a bit disingenous. Not that you attempt to do it, but that you are holding two standards. You, apparently, are a paragon of logical thought. You know fallacies, make strong analogies, understand the relative merits of Occam’s Razor, never use reductio ad absurdem when inappropriate, etc.

To have your arguments held up to scrutiny is a travesty. A waste of time, “nit-picking”. But the reverse is fair game.

That’s dishonest. I don’t say that you, or Annit, nor anyone else is wrong to try taking my arguments apart. I say you are wrong in what you say about them. I am not holding you to any standard I don’t keep for anyone else, myself included.

You don’t. You make sweeping claims (many posters agree about many rapists) and then can’t support them. You say that “in general” means, “always”, and then get upset when it’s pointed out you are wrong.

Then you try to make that evidence of a personal vendetta.

It’s not. Honest. I’d do this for anybody. You aren’t the first (and Man Boobz isn’t the only place I do it). It’s nothing personal. I don’t know you. Nothing about you affects me. I know (and respond) only to what you say here. What you’ve been saying here (and if I am not mistaken, for about as long as I’ve been here), is usually nonsense. Or unsupported. Or wrong.

And I have a weakness. It’s people who are dishonestly wrong.

summer_snow
summer_snow
9 years ago

@ Marc:

“And now could you please act like an adult, too and stop your stupid mockery.”

… what site are you reading? Because last time I checked, the Manboobz mission statement is all about mockery. That’s what we’re here for. This is like you going on LOLcats, posting a funny cat picture, and then getting mad because everyone’s laughing at cats instead of discussing Swedish traffic laws.

Marc
Marc
9 years ago

You are so dishonest, it’s no fun. This selective quotation is the definite proof that you are dishonest.

I wrote:
And where have I ever said that the misunderstandings (regarding the analogies) are caused by my difficulties with English? (Quote 1)

You quote me:

Maybe it’s a language problem that you don’t understand me, mind you, I am not a native speaker. (Quote 2)

and you write:

That’s where you said it. Now… if you didn’t mean it, then again we have a case of dishonesty. (Quote 3)

But it wasn’t a full quote — this would be the full quote:

No, I don’t want to fool anyone, as I said many times before I am NOT a MRA.
I don’t know how often I need to repeat this?
Maybe it’s a language problem that you don’t understand me, mind you, I am not a native speaker. Though I don’t know what one can get wrong in the sentence “I am not a MRA”.
(Quote 4)

We see in Quote 1 that I objected to the claim that I ever said my misunderstandings are caused by my difficulties in English. Your “counterexample” is Quote 4, but do I say there something about analogies at all?

NO!

Absolutely nothing!

It was not about an analogy. The sentence “I am not a MRA” is NOT an analogy, it is a statement.

As regards your apologies, I would say they were rejected because they don’t seem sincere.

You don’t deserve an apology anyway because you’re proven to be a dishonest person.

You don’t. You make sweeping claims (many posters agree about many rapists) and then can’t support them.

I can’t support them because it is technically impossible. Is that my fault? If you don’t believe me, look in the comments. I don’t have time for that. Does that make me dishonest? No?

You say that “in general” means, “always”, and then get upset when it’s pointed out you are wrong.

I have never said that.

I said: in general means always to the rest if you name all the exceptions to the general rule, because in naming all the exceptions you imply that to the rest “always” applies. Again you prove that you are dishonest.

And I have a weakness. It’s people who are dishonestly wrong.

And since you are dishonestly wrong…. ?A

Marc
Marc
9 years ago

… what site are you reading? Because last time I checked, the Manboobz mission statement is all about mockery. That’s what we’re here for. This is like you going on LOLcats, posting a funny cat picture, and then getting mad because everyone’s laughing at cats instead of discussing Swedish traffic laws.

So that applies to the comment section, too? Interesting, that would explain a lot!

mediumdave
mediumdave
9 years ago

Hey, the humanoid Cylons from the new Battlestar Galatica had this projection power which they could use to imagine themselves in any environment they wanted. Marc is projecting so much, he must be a Cylon. QED.

Pecunium
9 years ago

Marc: I am not mocking you. That would be, all things considered, a lot easier.

Johnny Pez
9 years ago

So that applies to the comment section, too?

You thought it didn’t? You thought MRAs who commented here would be spared mockery?

This explains much.

Marc
Marc
9 years ago

You thought it didn’t? You thought MRAs who commented here would be spared mockery?

So you are again implying that I am an MRA…!?

I AM NOT A MRA!

how often do I have to repeat this?

PosterformerlyknownasElizabeth

As many times as Nixon said he was not a crook. Still does not mean he was not a crook.

Marc
Marc
9 years ago

So why do you think I am an MRA so that we can clear up this misunderstanding?

mediumdave
mediumdave
9 years ago

Sure, Marc. Just as you claim that you aren’t a Cylon, a four-year-old child, a bot and an algorithm. With all of those denials, what should we believe?

Marc
Marc
9 years ago

Ok, I damit it, I am a Cyclon. Are you happy now?

Spearhafoc
9 years ago

I AM NOT A MRA!

I usually only correct NWOslave’s grammar, but you keep posting this same mistake. It should be “an MRA”. You use “an” before vowel sounds, and “MRA” is pronounced “em-are-ay”.

Ok, I damit it, I am a Cyclon.

*Raises eyebrow*

Marc
Marc
9 years ago

I usually only correct NWOslave’s grammar, but you keep posting this same mistake. It should be “an MRA”. You use “an” before vowel sounds, and “MRA” is pronounced “em-are-ay”.

Oh, thank a lot and if you notice any other grammar mistakes, please let me know!

mediumdave
mediumdave
9 years ago

Ok, I damit it, I am a Cyclon.

Then prove it. The Cylons had feelings, after all (this is science fiction; bear with me).

mediumdave
mediumdave
9 years ago

Are you alive?

Pecunium
9 years ago

mediumdave: His general pattern is to show up for awhile, and then disappear. He said he was going to be gone for about a week, about the time of Ion’s,”strike”. He lasted about as long.

This batch of criticism has been a bit more than usual, so… who knows. He may be gone for good, or this sort of comment may cause him to come back.

Marc
Marc
9 years ago

Hello, Bee!!

Are you still reading here?

Look, how Pecunium totally sees through me! He really penetrates my mind.

Just one short story for you:

An animal trainer throws a ball to a seal that catches it with it’s nose.
Seal (while balancing the ball): “Urk! Urk! Urk!”

A little cryptic, but I’m sure you know what I mean. 😀

summer_snow
summer_snow
9 years ago

“A little cryptic, but I’m sure you know what I mean.”

I know what you mean! You mean to say that you want to discuss pickles!

So, Marc, can you give me a really good reason to not destroy all pickles and jars ever because some pickle jars have lids that hurt my hands? I’m just saying, why take the risk that I might be hurt trying to get to some pickles? Why let pickles exist at all, given the possibility of some of them hurting some people’s hands?

Pecunium
9 years ago

Marc: I made no pretense of “reading your mind”. I described your past behavior, and poked a bit of fun. The semantic content of my comment about the future was null. I said you might stay away, I said you might come back.

mediumdave
mediumdave
9 years ago

He said he was going to be gone for about a week, about the time of Ion’s,”strike”.

More proof that we’re irresistible! 😀

BTW, the “are you alive” bit was a reference to the first spoken line in the Battlestar mini-series: At about 3:12 into the video.

CassandraSays
CassandraSays
8 years ago

“[N]o one has more empathy for his fellow human beings than I do. The first thought that came to my mind in response to the obvious fear on the face of this pathetic, sweet looking, older woman — who probably never hurt anyone in her entire life – was fuck you!”

It’s not often that I literally LOL while reading a blog, but that did it.

That’s the thing with extreme sexists – they are their own self-parody.

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