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Digital twats vs. the Pussy Pricing Cartel

Like women, pandas are too lazy to have sex properly.

So, porn. Apparently women just HATE it, and a fellow calling himself Womanhater over on the MGTOWforums is here to tell us the REAL reason why.  Well, reasons. Obviously, everybody already knows

that porn makes men not have to deal with women, and therefore lessens the value of the snatch mafia and the pussy pricing cartel.

But, Womanhater thinks “there may be another factor at play.” Let’s let Mr. Hater explain:

[W]e all know that twats will throw sex at a man and lie to him endlessly to seduce him into legal slavery/marriage. But porn makes the sex she has to throw at him much more unpleasant.

Remember, sex is pretty unpleasant for most women to begin with:

We know that that vast majority of twats either do not enjoy sex at all, or they only enjoy it with thug cock. As such, they have to engage in a physically unpleasant activity with a man they’re not physically attracted to, but only financially attracted to.

But then along comes porn, and suddenly women discover that they have to actually make an effort as well:

Porn means that she cannot simply spread her legs, lay there like a dead fish, and let her victim bust his nut. Porn has made her have to act now too. She must work much much harder to emulate the digital twats her victim has been seeing for a decade or better, and only a true sociopath can fake emotion that well that long.

Also, they can’t get away with being big fat fatties either:

Porn has also raised the expectations of her victim vis a vis her physique, which as we all know is a challenge for Western women these days.

In the end, it all comes down to sheer laziness:

In short, if the twat wasn’t lazy, she’d not be trying to loot a man. And that laziness is exactly what has porn has challenged. While there’s still plenty of victims in the world for the vile cunts to loot and torture, they’re having to work much much much harder to do it now, and THAT is why the twats dislike porn.

QED!

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Joanna
10 years ago

“Joanna: I’d like to suggest that better advice to the women would be “say stop if you are not having fun”. It’s a shame that none of your friends ever thought “hmmm, she doesn’t appear to be enjoying this- perhaps I could find out what she would like?” instead of continuing on grimly to the end.”

See I’d agree with you there. Thing is, it’s often the girls that initiate the mating ritual with my friends. They go out of their way to get my mates into bed, and then when they do manage to hit the sack, they just lie there. Had they blossomed into a full on relationship I’m sure they would have worked out the kinks alright. I just don’t really understand how an openly promiscuous woman could be so dispassionate when it actually comes down to having sex.

Joanna
10 years ago

“I know he doesn’t compare me to the women in porn, and even if he did, I would win because I am a) real, b) actually willing (and eager) to have sex with him and c) the woman he loves. There literally can be no comparison. I win on every level.”

100% agree. If my boyfriend had to choose on the spot whether to jack off to porn or have sex with me, he’d choose me.

I guess a guy wanting sex to be more like the porn he watches, is like a girl wanting to look like the models in magazines. They have to understand that at least 50% of it is special effects. Soon people will want real life to look like HD or whatever is to come after HD lol.

And I do enjoy burlesque. It’s like posh porn or something lol XD

Ion
Ion
10 years ago

Personally I won’t watch any porn where any of the actors look like they aren’t enjoying themselves or not doing something of their own will, even if it’s part of the scenario (this can vary from domination to ‘gang bangs’ to pretty much anything where someone is being degraded/humiliated/treated as ‘lesser’). It just doesn’t do anything for me. This pretty much leaves out the majority of what comes from Asia, where it’s like a major fetish for the women to act like they hate sex and are ashamed of having it, as well as the majority of Western ‘hardcore’ stuff, which is about smug macho dudebros using women as sex toys. Now that I think about it, there’s actually a pretty narrow niche of stuff I enjoy, and the vast majority of porn holds no appeal.

Joanna
10 years ago

Ion: Well I do prefer porn when they seem to be genuinely enjoying it. You can kinda tell the fakers from the non fakers. Maybe a few takes are required. You can imagine how numb you’d feel after a while lol.

Ion
Ion
10 years ago

Heh, I remember watching a “behind the scenes” video done at a major California porn studio a while ago. It was pretty much what you’d expect, aka not very glamorous. Unless you enjoy having sex with a bunch of people you don’t know too well and/or don’t get along with in real life, with a dozen guys standing in the room, with all the various technical problems, the stress, the drama, the office politics etc etc. It was entertaining, but not something I’d honestly want to be a part of. It was like one of those dumb reality shows like Survivor or Big Brother, with pretty much the same level of maturity and emotional stability. 🙂

Sharculese
10 years ago

In informal logic there’s always a fine line between a logical fallacy and a correct argument. It can’t be pinned down that easily and that’s the reason why I have a strong distrust against people who constantly accuse others of logical fallacies and argue in that substanceless formal way (something that was confirmed in many arguments).

How would you go about arguing against a poor analogy, other than saying, “that’s silly, those things aren’t analogous and here’s why?”

Ami Angelwings
10 years ago

I also dun like watching porn where it looks like ppl aren’t enjoying themselves : And yus often they’re faking too, but sometimes it’s rly obvious, or they’re supposed to act like they’re not enjoying stuff (like what Ion said about Japanese porn) and it just completely kills everything :

I wonder how many ppl do know (I’m not talking about here on this forum, but like in general) how porn is made and don’t care, or just don’t want to know, or imagine that it must be fun or glamourous or something (given the way I’ve heard some of my guy friends talk about what they believe about pornstars and the porn industry it sounds like there’s at least some who believe it’s fun and ppl are having wonderful hot real sex on camera) :

shaenon
10 years ago

There’s an indie porn studio in the former San Francisco Armory–a huge, historic building in the lower Mission–and they do tours when they’re not filming. I keep meaning to do that; people say it’s pretty interesting, assuming you like looking at fake doctor’s-office sets and the like.

Sadly, the Lusty Lady went out of business last year. Damn recession.

Sharculese
10 years ago

assuming you like looking at fake doctor’s-office sets and the like

As a recovering theater nerd (BA in scenic construction) I love looking at how other people approach the idea of set building. If I’m ever in SF i totally want to do that.

Plymouth
Plymouth
10 years ago

Shaenon – you mean kink.com? I, uh, subscribed to one of their sites once. Only had to pay for one month and I was able to download about 3 years worth of archives. Had to buy a new external hard-drive (heh heh) to hold it all 😀

evilwhitemalempire
evilwhitemalempire
10 years ago

“They read a bunch of posts declaring that the Lusty Lady has gone downhill since it unionized and the strippers are ugly now… even though the exact same women are working there.”

Probably ’cause they let themselves go after they got a union.

“Maybe Evil is of the same mindset as the guys on that message board. The idea that sex workers are being exploited is part of the appeal for him; if they’re happy and treated “humanely,” it ruins the fun and they’re suddenly ugly fat fat fatties.”

It’s the fat that ruins the fun.

What I’m really curious about is what all kind of shit your ilk plan to come up with when the day comes that the only thing being ‘exploited’ in porn is a graphics workstation?

“Oh, shut-up, EWME, you cock!

(And not even a thug cock, either.)”

I think I’d watch out for this one ladies(lol).
If you ever see some fat nerd walking about in a dark alley dressed only in his bathrobe I think I’d go walking the other way.

Pecunium
10 years ago

EWME: Did you miss the part where it was the day the papers announced the successful unionisation, i.e. there was all of a couple of days between when it happened and, “they all went downhill,”?

Raoul
Raoul
10 years ago

@ Ion, 7/16, 9:48a “Personally I won’t watch any porn where any of the actors look like they aren’t enjoying themselves or not doing something of their own will, even if it’s part of the scenario (this can vary from domination to ‘gang bangs’ to pretty much anything where someone is being degraded/humiliated/treated as ‘lesser’). It just doesn’t do anything for me. This pretty much leaves out the majority of what comes from Asia, where it’s like a major fetish for the women to act like they hate sex and are ashamed of having it, as well as the majority of Western ‘hardcore’ stuff, which is about smug macho dudebros using women as sex toys. Now that I think about it, there’s actually a pretty narrow niche of stuff I enjoy, and the vast majority of porn holds no appeal.”

I totally feel the same way. And you gotta know that the manospheric “yen” for Asian women ties in totally with the fetish for shaming women. From the first neg to the last bitchslap and chokeout, women who don’t submit right down the card are the scourge of humanity.

Factfinder
10 years ago

I totally feel the same way. And you gotta know that the manospheric “yen” for Asian women ties in totally with the fetish for shaming women.
What a racist little dear.
From the first neg to the last bitchslap and chokeout, women who don’t submit right down the card are the scourge of humanity.
Really? So the majority of MRAs want to “bitchslap” and “chokeout” women, or are you just letting your hormones and emotions get the better of you? It’s okay if you are, I know it is in your nature to exaggerate and fabricate wild stories to accomplish your flippant desires.

Ami Angelwings
10 years ago

@David I was kinda curious about that too o_O

Lady Raine
10 years ago

I have to admit that I don’t understand the draw of porn at all. I have never seen one that was even remotely “sexy” or attractive to me.

Don’t get me wrong, I have absolutely NO problem with porn itself, the actors and their personal choices, nor with men/women watching them and enjoying it.

I just find the idea of seeing strangers have sex to be…well…gross. For me, it’s like watching a medical documentary on the human body and I can’t see it from any perspective other than that (except perhaps in a comical way). I have also NEVER seen a man who is even moderately attractive in porn that I’d want to see naked and/or having sex. With anyone. Ever. I admit I have a very specific cluster of things that I find attractive in men, so it’s probably just my personal preferences, but I always found it shocking that not a single male porno actor has ever embodied even one of those traits.

I guess I just don’t find random, naked men attractive unless I know them personally. (Fully clothed and looking stylish is a different story, though).

However, the comment(s) about how women are so insecure about their men watching/enjoying porn? I don’t really see or hear too much from women who are threatened by that. I think most women don’t really care much either way what he does in his free time in regards to watching porn as long as he isn’t forcing it down her throat if she isn’t into watching it or shaming her for not liking it.

More often you hear complaints about boyfriends or husbands who are obsessed with porn and/or are watching it in front of them in lieu of spending time with/having sex with their real-life mates. And the obvious dealbreaker of demanding a woman do the things that porno actresses do (which is abusive, of course). But those ARE a genuine problem worth complaining about.

Lady Raine
10 years ago

Really? So the majority of MRAs want to “bitchslap” and “chokeout” women, or are you just letting your hormones and emotions get the better of you? It’s okay if you are, I know it is in your nature to exaggerate and fabricate wild stories to accomplish your flippant desires.

Yeah, because men never act hormonally or emotionally (*cough, cough* anger, fist-fights, bar-brawls, peacocking, war, violence, pride).

Certain types of men seem to forget that “emotional responses” are not just things like crying, whining, and fear and are also not “female” responses. They are also things like anger, violence, and aggression…all of which are human, not gender-specific.

Raoul
Raoul
10 years ago

And factfinder: how do you know jack shit about “my nature”?

Factfinder
10 years ago

I know what your nature is because I’ve been paying mind to what your lot has to say. So yes, I know a bit more than “jack shit” about your nature. The earlier comments were deleted, but I believe you had your own bit to say which was somewhat hypocritical.
Because the feminist philosophy in practice is inherently a double-standard – women are as strong as men but men should not punch in self-defense, women are as smart as men but need legislation and government intervention to earn as much, etc. – so too are its followers. Hence, your hypocrisy has made you irrational and illogical, and by extension hormonal and emotional.
Try not to express your irritability to strangers, by the way, we sincerely could not care less and anyone who says otherwise just wants to use you. I hope you can look past your fragile feminist ego, take your blinders off for a second, and perhaps learn from this rare and much-needed criticism. Have a nice day.

Factfinder
10 years ago

@Raine – I never said acting emotional was a male or female thing. In fact, I believe Raoul is a male name. Rather, I was saying he was acting hormonal and emotional because he was not being rational but rather defensive and deliberately provocative.
It was you who assigned a certain sex to it, and hence that should speak more of you than me. Your claim that men are exclusively responsible for war is a bit intriguing, though. I mean, true men tended to also be in the position to start and end wars, and true the women who have ruled have also started wars, and true women would idolize and marry the warriors while shaming the pacifists (a la “White Feathers”), but war is an exclusively male thing.
That was an enlightening bit of edutainment about the inner mechanizations of a feminist brain. Thank you for the learning and nice day.

lexiedi
10 years ago

Damn! I’ve dropped the ball I guess… I TOATALLY forgot that men hate the fatties! You know, you’d think I’d remember with all of those commercials and products and articles telling us to be thin… You know, I bet the people I’ve been with have forgotten too. I’d better send them all emails to remind them.

I like porn. However, I tend to like porn that couples post online as it tends to be more… real. It’s much sexier to me.

Brandon
Brandon
10 years ago

@David: I think the bigger draw to Asian women is their culture tends to prioritize family at the very top. At least from my POV, Americans don’t hold family life in the same regard as they once did, while certain Asian cultures really stress the “nuclear family”.

Anyone who as ever been to Asia (me) knows damn well that lots of Asian women only appear submissive, but in fact they aren’t. They are tough…but feminine.

I think it isn’t so much about being submissive/insecure/weak-willed as much as what a man is looking for in a partner. Some men just want flings and to enjoy themselves (me) others want a traditional stay at home mother that can raise children and some want a woman with a career.

Women do the same categorizing but just with different criteria. Some want flings, while others want a breadwinner and provider, etc…

@Lady Raine: Women have their own form of porn…it’s called romantic novels.

Personally, I am not going to hide my porn from the women that come over to my place, nor am I going to “shame” them because they don’t like it. In fact, I often find women trying to shame me because I watch it.

Maybe the reason why the man would rather watch porn than sleep with his gf/wife/partner/etc is because she sucks in bed. There have been girls that completely rock my socks off and others that I would rather jerk off to porn instead of sleeping with them.

You really think it is abusive to request your girlfriend/wife/etc to perform acts in porno’s? I have seen a lot of porn in my day, you might want to think about narrowing it down a bit. For one, men shouldn’t be demanding anything…only asking. Secondly, there is a difference between asking a girl to swallow and demanding a golden shower, Hell, I have learned new positions and other moves that some women love…all through the magic of porn.

summer_snow
summer_snow
10 years ago

@ Brandon: Women have their own form of porn… it’s called porn.

speedlines
speedlines
10 years ago

No, it’s called Supernatural slashfic!

summer_snow
summer_snow
10 years ago

But speedlines, Supernatural slashfic is for everyone! The creation of the entire internet is part of the Secret Evil Gay Feminazi Agenda to gayfeminize everyone by exposing them to Sam and Dean’s smoking hot bods!

Ami Angelwings
10 years ago

Yeah I was gonna say… I’ve heard this argument in the comics fandom comm too “women have their own power fantasies.. it’s called romantic novels” romance novels got compared to comics SO often there by guys trying to say essentially comics were a male thing and superhero power fantasies were a male thing >:

and I’ve heard it w/ porn too…

and I’ve heard it w/ action movies…

and w/ video games “women have Sims!”

ffs… women who like romantic novels like them for being romantic novels not cuz that’s female porn or female action movies or female superheroes or w/e -_-

Amused
Amused
10 years ago

Brandon: We are all expendable. You, me, the first commenter, etc… That doesn’t mean that we shouldn’t be treated well or with respect. I am not the only man that is capable of getting her off and thinking that would equal being delusional. People should be respected and appreciated but to think “I am special” is just insane.

We may be expendable to strangers, Brandon. We aren’t expendable to people who love us. And though I understand it’s not your thing, a significant proportion of people look for intimate relationships in which they matter more to their partner than just some random representative of the opposite sex. Emotion, bonding — those things do matter to the vast majority of people, though maybe not to you. So it’s not surprising that a lot of people find the idea of their lover regarding them as expendable rather, you know, objectionable.

Look, I’m not trying to knock your lifestyle. A lot of it depends on personal perception. I for one, greatly enjoy actual intimacy (and intimacy isn’t the equivalent of conventional commitment, just actually liking and caring about the person you are with more than you would a random stranger). Sex without intimacy, to me, is all just masturbation, even with another person: it simply involves using another body instead of your hand. Sure, it’s still enjoyable, to the same extent that classic masturbation is enjoyable. But the difference between that and intimacy is vast. Masturbatory sex to sex is what diet food is to food: a pale imitation of what it should be, that’s nevertheless adequate to take the edge off. But, that’s just me.

“Also, it is not my job to make her feel secure. She should look inwards to find security for herself and not depend on men to provide it.”

You are right, it’s not your job to make anyone feel secure. But, it’s also not your job to define “security” in a self-serving fashion. Your actions towards other people do affect how they feel about you and their relationship with you. And then, there are different kinds of security. There is security about one’s own self-worth, and then there is the feeling secure about one’s relationships. If your relationship is a piece of shit, and you are a rational person, then there is no reason for you to feel secure about it. In fact, any person who is secure about himself or herself is likely to have fairly substantial expectations of relationships (whether they are conventional or not) and to object openly when those expectations are not met. It’s precisely people who are INsecure who will acquiesce in anything and everything just to score some momentary approval.

Molly Ren
10 years ago

EWME inadvertently cracked me up with “Probably ’cause they let themselves go after they got a union.” Because socialism makes women get fat! 😀

Raoul
Raoul
10 years ago

FactFinder, thank you for linking to triplanetary, who didn’t cotton on to your kind of stereotyping any more than I do. Good day sir.

Lady Raine
10 years ago

Brandon:

@Lady Raine: Women have their own form of porn…it’s called romantic novels.

I have to tell you that I’d rather poke my eyeballs out with sticks than read a romance novel/watch a romance movie. I daresay that I’m not the only woman who doesn’t find gushy love stories to be “hot & sexy”. I’m sure many women enjoy romance novels or whatever the case…but I don’t really see a correlation between porn and romance novels and/or sex/arousal = romance.

Personally, I am not going to hide my porn from the women that come over to my place, nor am I going to “shame” them because they don’t like it. In fact, I often find women trying to shame me because I watch it.

I’m not sure if that part was directed at me personally or not, but that’s why I said that what he does in his own house is his business as long as he’s not trying to force it down his gf/wife’s throat (ie: watching it in front of her if she hates it or shaming her for hating it). The same also goes in the reverse (IMO). I can’t speak for other women, but merely “knowing” a guy I date watches porn doesn’t bother me nor would it be a reason to “shame” him.

Maybe the reason why the man would rather watch porn than sleep with his gf/wife/partner/etc is because she sucks in bed. There have been girls that completely rock my socks off and others that I would rather jerk off to porn instead of sleeping with them.

Well, I think that’s sort of a cop out. If your sex life with a sig other is SO bad that you literally would rather jerk off to porn, then you should be focused on: Solving the problem, seeking therapy, and/or ending the relationship.

You really think it is abusive to request your girlfriend/wife/etc to perform acts in porno’s? I have seen a lot of porn in my day, you might want to think about narrowing it down a bit. For one, men shouldn’t be demanding anything…only asking. Secondly, there is a difference between asking a girl to swallow and demanding a golden shower, Hell, I have learned new positions and other moves that some women love…all through the magic of porn.

No. If you’ll please refer to my previous comment it says “demanding is abusive….” as opposed to “requesting”. i think it’s fair to say that “demanding” and “requesting” are two very, very different things.

Amused
Amused
10 years ago

Also, Brandon: If a woman enjoys dime store novels, it tells me she’s got a really poor taste in books. If I had to speculate on how I would feel towards such a woman if I were a man, I’d say as a sophisticated man with refined tastes, I’d find it really low-brow. And though I would still react predictably to her appearance, the romance novel thing would weigh against having an actual relationship with her, even if I were otherwise relationship-minded. If a woman not merely enjoyed romance novels but in fact argued that reading this trash and having a relationship with an actual living, breathing, real human being give her comparable levels of satisfaction, I’d find it weird to say the least; and I can’t see any self-respecting man going within a mile of her, except, perhaps, for a one-night stand (and even that would be a stretch for anyone except a drunk frat boy). I don’t think a man who finds it a problem that his girlfriend considers him interchangeable with a two-dimensional fictional character is being “insecure” if, in fact, romance novels have such a tremendous importance for her. So I’m not sure what you are trying to accomplish with your romance novel analogy here. Are you assuming we are all into romance novels? Or that those of us who aren’t into romance novels have no libido? Or that those of us who like romance novels consider them on par with human beings? In any event, I’ve never heard a woman say that reading a romance novel is a comparable alternative to a relationship.

Brandon
Brandon
10 years ago

@Ami: There are tons of activities that cater to one gender or another. Years ago, gaming was strictly male…now it’s about 50/50. Women are the ones that buy the majority of romance novels because it offers an escape and fantasy. This is the same reason men like porn…it’s fantasy.

@Amused: I like to bond with women as well. I just don’t take it to the extreme. If I notice that she is getting co-dependent on me in anyway, I back off. I don’t want a woman to depend on me, nor do I want me to depend on a woman. We have our own lives and I only allow the “intermingling” to go so far.

I don’t know, maybe I can just enjoy sex for the sake of having sex. I see sleeping with women is better than masturbation (with a few exceptions). I don’t need a deep, emotional bond to have sex I guess.

I don’t see me doing anything “self-serving”. I am often brutally honest with the women in my life. Each one of them knows how I feel about relationships and what they can expect from me. If they continue to call me, sleep with me or otherwise continue in the same fashion…I take that as her “agreeing to the terms”. I have had women not want that and they part ways with me.

I am saying that the majority of romance novel sales are to women, Not all women, but a large amount of them. Women have libidos regardless of romance novels or porn.

Reading a romance novel is not the same as being in a relationship. Nor is watching porn.

When I see porn, it is often a visual representation of what I am “seeing” in my head while I am masturbating. If I didn’t have porn, I would still have the same fantasies that are arousing, just without the actors. Everything from MILF videos to Barely Legal runs through my head. Porn is just taking what is already in most mens minds and putting it on a screen for others to see. It’s like getting a front row seat into our minds. At least when it comes to sex.

@Lady Raine: That’s your prerogative if you don’t like romance novels…but that doesn’t mean a large portion of women buy them. In fact, I bet it out of all the romance novels sold…98% of them are to women (ya, its a guess,,,but it’s probably not too far off).

I wasn’t directing anything at you, I was just making a point. But most of the time I find women the ones that disapprove of men looking at porn. I get everything from “they are being exploited” (ya, I would love to make 100K a year having sex…please can I quit my day job!) to “What? You can’t get a real woman?”. The best explanation that I can come up with as to why women are so hostile to porn is that they like to be viewed at as special and that their boyfriends/husbands should only be getting off if it’s her that is doing it. These “attacks” are even from women that I am not trying to date or sleep with, So why would they give a rats ass to what I was doing? I could be wrong, but that is the best I got so far.

I usually try and make the sex between me and a partner better…but sometimes it doesn’t work. I will often break up with her if it continues to be sub-par, but I try and give it a fighting chance.

I do understand the difference between demanding and asking. I was pointing out what you said earlier:

“And the obvious dealbreaker of demanding a woman do the things that porno actresses do (which is abusive, of course)”

Meaning that sentence is REALLY vague. Every sex act is portrayed in porn so if we were to follow this sentence to a tee…you would find everything abusive. I simply asked you to narrow down the scope of it so there is a difference between watching two people in missionary as opposed to the crap that happens in really depraved porn.

Ami Angelwings
10 years ago

There are tons of activities that cater to one gender or another. Years ago, gaming was strictly male…now it’s about 50/50. Women are the ones that buy the majority of romance novels because it offers an escape and fantasy. This is the same reason men like porn…it’s fantasy.

That.. doesn’t address nething I said, or what the issue is (that porn for women is romance novels… you merely said that it’s an escape and a fantasy… if I want romantic escape I’ll read romance, if I want a power fantasy escape I’ll read comics, if I want PORN, I’ll read/watch PORN XD )

and what do you mean “activities” you mean industries or companies? o_O Reading comics is an activity, DC and Marvel are companies that are a major part of an industry o_O

either way.. that’s… not a response to nething I said o_O;;;

Ami Angelwings
10 years ago

Also for the record I dun read romance novels >_> (and when I’m horny, I dun feel wanting to read romance) And I do watch porn when I’m horny… >_>;; There is something obv v wrong w/ me xD

I also watch sports rather than bake.

Ruh roh D:

xD

Plymouth
Plymouth
10 years ago

When I see porn, it is often a visual representation of what I am “seeing” in my head while I am masturbating.

Aww yeah. this is what’s in MY head: http://www.fuckingmachines.com/site/?c=1

Well…. sometimes 🙂

Plymouth
Plymouth
10 years ago

(cue MRAs telling me I’m a kinky lesbian separatist who wants to replace men with machines ;))

Ami Angelwings
10 years ago

Which you do.

darksidecat
10 years ago

@Brandon, Asia is not one big metaculture. (Why do I have to actually say shit like that…? *shakes head in disappointment*). Also, your claims in regards to women and employment rates don’t really hold either. China has a higher employment rate from women than the US and a good portion of Western Europe. France and Japan have similar employment rates for women. High wage gaps and difficulty with balancing raising children and employment seems to have less effect on the percentage of women working and more of an effect on fertility rates. The difficulty with being a working mother in Japan is given a lot of the blame for Japan’s extremely low fertility rates (South Korea also has extremely low fertility rates).

On romance novels-these have few to none of the ethical issues around video porn (such as possible exploitation of the actors). Also, I have read a lot of old scifi and fantasy, plenty that stuff is every bit as porny as any romance novel (not to mention that not all romance novels include sex). Come on, novels with sex in them are certainly not limited to women’s reading, so stop pretending that this is a women dominated field of porn.

Plymouth
Plymouth
10 years ago

So, also, “most romance novels are read by women” is not the same as “most women read romance novels”.

FactFinder
10 years ago

FactFinder, thank you for linking to triplanetary, who didn’t cotton on to your kind of stereotyping any more than I do. Good day sir.
Did he stereotype people based solely on their career choice? You don’t have to answer, dear, but I can’t catch what it is you were trying to say. You seemed to be speaking through your hormones and emotions again.

FactFinder
10 years ago

I can’t speak for other women, but merely “knowing” a guy I date watches porn doesn’t bother me nor would it be a reason to “shame” him.
Are you mortified when women shame men for watching porn? Because that happens far more often than your hypothetical scenarios about men forcing women to watch porn. You seem to be thinking with emotions and fabrication rather than facts and rationality.

evilwhitemalempire
evilwhitemalempire
10 years ago

“You seem to be thinking with emotions and fabrication rather than facts and rationality.”

And you seem surprised.

Bee
Bee
10 years ago

“Are you mortified when women shame men for watching porn? Because that happens far more often than your hypothetical scenarios about men forcing women to watch porn.”

I don’t do this very often, but:

(Citation needed.)

Marc
Marc
10 years ago

How would you go about arguing against a poor analogy, other than saying, “that’s silly, those things aren’t analogous and here’s why?”

Well, that’s not what the nitpickers do here, they just find some difference, any significant difference (which is nearly always possible to find because if the analogy is too similar to the original, there is no point in making an analogy), and then conclude that the analogy doesn’t hold, though of course the point of the analogy was always valid and understandable with a bit of good will.

But I have to admit, it’s not the nitpicking itself that is so bad. It’s the extremely selective nitpicking.

Look, in an earlier blog entry, David thought oppression and prejudice is ultimately the same thing or at least very much comparable (which is already wrong, because common prejudices against a group are not a proof that this group is oppressed… only a huge amount of negative prejudices is) and then he went on and thought oppression=prejudices against Jews and women are easily comparable. Something that is really not the case. As much as women were constrained in their possibilities [which I still think pales in comparison to the constraints imposed by the estate-based society (later hierarchical society with rigid social orders). And remember how long this lasted: serfdom was abolished in most German countries around 1800!] through most of the times it was possible to be a respected and appreciated woman (of course, a necessary requirement for that was to fit into the gender role) but it was rarely ever possible to be a “respected Jew”.

So, all in all very far-fetched analogies, problematic comparisons and bold speculations…

But where were the nitpickers then? They were quiet..!

They don’t have a problem with the sloppiest arguing as long as they approve of your opinion.

Amused
Amused
10 years ago

“Look, in an earlier blog entry, David thought oppression and prejudice is ultimately the same thing or at least very much comparable (which is already wrong, because common prejudices against a group are not a proof that this group is oppressed… only a huge amount of negative prejudices is) and then he went on and thought oppression=prejudices against Jews and women are easily comparable. Something that is really not the case. As much as women were constrained in their possibilities [which I still think pales in comparison to the constraints imposed by the estate-based society (later hierarchical society with rigid social orders). And remember how long this lasted: serfdom was abolished in most German countries around 1800!] through most of the times it was possible to be a respected and appreciated woman (of course, a necessary requirement for that was to fit into the gender role) but it was rarely ever possible to be a “respected Jew”.’

If you are referring to my comment, you are doing so out of context. I wasn’t arguing that the oppression of Jews and women is comparable, per se. Rather, I responded to the claim that men in the West today are in the same position as Jews were in the Nazi Germany in the 1930’s. In retrospect, I think a claim so patently ludicrous probably didn’t merit such a lengthy response from me, but I did point out that historically, and in the limited context of oppression, Jews had more in common with women than with white, Christian men. “More in common” — doesn’t mean their situations were always analogous. And in fact, the reason my posts on that issue were so long was because I pointed out specific aspects in which the treatment of Jews and women by those in power was similar, rather than make a sweeping, blanket statement that the history of oppression of Jews was comparable to the history of oppression of women, period.

Marc
Marc
10 years ago

I didn’t read you post, I stopped when I read “if you are referring to my comment”.

No, I didn’t… or is your name David?

Pecunium
10 years ago

So you presume that everything after a question that you think isn’t relevant must also be non-relevant. It’s no wonder your arguments are so often so flawed, if that’s the attention to your interlocutors you provide.

Marc
Marc
10 years ago

Oh no!!! The nitpicker has arrived!

So you presume that everything after a question that you think isn’t relevant must also be non-relevant.

No, surely not! It’s just that my post was not about her comment, so there’s no need to read the rest where she defends her comment… what do I have to say more than that?!

It’s no wonder your arguments are so often so flawed, if that’s the attention to your interlocutors you provide.

oh my God, I can’t bear this any longer… this substanceless, annoying nitpicking… I could tolerate that but combined with this pseudo rational-“calm” tone… that’s just too much.