So, porn. Apparently women just HATE it, and a fellow calling himself Womanhater over on the MGTOWforums is here to tell us the REAL reason why. Well, reasons. Obviously, everybody already knows
that porn makes men not have to deal with women, and therefore lessens the value of the snatch mafia and the pussy pricing cartel.
But, Womanhater thinks “there may be another factor at play.” Let’s let Mr. Hater explain:
[W]e all know that twats will throw sex at a man and lie to him endlessly to seduce him into legal slavery/marriage. But porn makes the sex she has to throw at him much more unpleasant.
Remember, sex is pretty unpleasant for most women to begin with:
We know that that vast majority of twats either do not enjoy sex at all, or they only enjoy it with thug cock. As such, they have to engage in a physically unpleasant activity with a man they’re not physically attracted to, but only financially attracted to.
But then along comes porn, and suddenly women discover that they have to actually make an effort as well:
Porn means that she cannot simply spread her legs, lay there like a dead fish, and let her victim bust his nut. Porn has made her have to act now too. She must work much much harder to emulate the digital twats her victim has been seeing for a decade or better, and only a true sociopath can fake emotion that well that long.
Also, they can’t get away with being big fat fatties either:
Porn has also raised the expectations of her victim vis a vis her physique, which as we all know is a challenge for Western women these days.
In the end, it all comes down to sheer laziness:
In short, if the twat wasn’t lazy, she’d not be trying to loot a man. And that laziness is exactly what has porn has challenged. While there’s still plenty of victims in the world for the vile cunts to loot and torture, they’re having to work much much much harder to do it now, and THAT is why the twats dislike porn.
QED!
It does kind of sound, though, like a laudatory inversion of the radical feminist critique of porn. A central plank of radfem antipornism is that it changes subconscious male expectations of women and makes life harder for the average straight woman by forcing her to perform an inauthentic sexuality in order to maintain his interest. In the language of MRAs, that sounds like what the quoted text is considering a good thing.
Gee, you’d think with a nickname like Womanhater he should be offering a fair and thoughtful analysis? One good point he does almost make is that porn creates unrealistic standards and expectations, for both men and women. But as long as we treat it as nothing more than fantasy there shouldn’t be a problem. After all, I don’t feel bad for not being able to fly after watching a Superman movie, or disappointed that I’m not a kung-fu master or ace shooter when I walk out of the theatre.
Well, maybe a little.
1. then why does wincest slash fanfic exist?
2. Sex feels BETTER when we participate and don’t just lie there.
3. not all men enjoy watching porn
4. most men realize that the things depicted in porn are unrealistic
5. There is plenty of porn with conventionally unattractive* women in it because guess what? not all men are attracted to the same thing!
Now please all the MRA trolls on this blog explain these things away. I’m so looking forward to your answers
*I’m using this to mean the perfect “alpha female” that they are always talking about
This guy’s set up a perfect “no matter what women do, I can interpret it badly” scenario.
Women don’t want you? Bitches are holding out for a rich guy or thug boy.
Women want you? Bitches are just in it for the money.
Women want you, and during sex they act enthusiastic? Bitches are good actors earning their money.
There’s literally no way for women to prove that they enjoy sex and that they sometimes fall in love–he doesn’t even want this to happen–just wants us to work harder for our money.
Meanwhile, in the real world, my boyfriend is lovely in bed and a lovely person, but doesn’t give me any money. Amazing.
What’s a thug cock? Is that some kind of dog whistle?
Andrea Vaughn – A thug cock is one that belongs to a person who’s, er, urban, someone who might enjoy rap or R&B, that is, they might be ethnic, perhaps they might have a really dark tan, if you get my incredibly subtle gist.
You bet your ass it’s a dog whistle.
What’s a thug cock? Is that some kind of dog whistle?
I’m imagining a rooster with a leather jacket and some brass knuckles. If you hear his call in the morning, you done fucked up bad.
Is it just me, or is “loot” a hilarious potential euphemism? “Oh, baby, I’mma gonna loot you tonight, and loot you hard!” Or, even better along those lines, “It’s lootin’ time! Stand and deliver!” XD
Sorry, just had a bad case of the sillies, there.
(For the record, I’m a huge believer in doing everything that requires financial outlay “Dutch,” and take a lot of pride in paying my own way. Any sex I have with a man is strictly an amateur hobby. I have never been, and have no ambition to be, married. I am, apparently *terrible* at being a woman; none of these rants resembles me and my life/behavior in the slightest. I never seem to get the memos . . .)
Finally: Digital Twat would be an *awesome* band name.
Alright then…
1. I had to google ‘wincest’ and now I wish I hadn’t. Between brothers? Come on…
2. No argument there
3. Haven’t met one yet, but I suppose
4. My point above
5. Oh, not just women. Dear God, no. See Rule 34.
Well, I’m off to watch a video a friend of mine sent me. Apparently it’s a tender story of two young ladies sharing one cup, or something.
Not a lemon party…which I hear is not about friends gathering to make lemonade.
About the guy Womanhater, why do I have the feeling he hates sex and feels he cannot express that by being honest about his lack of interest and must blame it on women cuz you know, men are total animals and never ever want to avoid sex.
It seems like one of the key assumptions womanhater’s argument rests on is that without porn, the average non-thug man would have absolutely no way of realizing that the woman he’s doing is completely uninterested. Really? She’s laying there “like a dead fish” and his only clue that something’s wrong is that it looked so different on TV. Someone has a dim view of men.
Whoa. Ion is being fairly lucid here, and actually kinda funny.
Makes you wonder what he’s really up to…
Also, David can we please have “Pussy Cartel” shirts? Pretty please, with sugar on top? I will buy seven so I can wear one every day!!
I assume the Bad Boy Cock Carousel has plenty of Thug Cocks on it.
Don’t ever – EVER – disparage thug cock!
Pretty normal for MRAers UnintentionalFeminist, they rarely view men as a positive.
While some porn features conventionally unattractive women, has anyone ever seen a porn with an even halfway attractive dude in it? (Not that the women are always particularly hot either, but you can tell that’s what they were going for.)
The only real truth in this whole rant is that porn does create some unrealistic expectations as far as women needing to act during the act. I don’t know how many times I’ve seen men AND women writing into relationship columns about moaning. The men find it weird the woman isn’t moaning like the women in porn do, and the women are complaining that their guy wants them to moan like the women in porn. A lot of the times the advice is that the woman should TRY to moan more … which is just the dumbest f-ing thing ever. (I can eat a chocolate cake without moaning. If someone said, “But people on TV moan! You need to moan!!” then I would tell them to go screw themselves with a banana.)
While some porn features conventionally unattractive women, has anyone ever seen a porn with an even halfway attractive dude in it?
Well, there’s gay porn. Which quite a few women watch, because it’s the only place to see halfway attractive dudes nekkid.
Does porn work the other way and put pressure on guys to have big penises or not rly? o_O
Which porn is he talking about? There’s plenty of porn where women just kinda look like… women… that seems v popular… also it’s amazing that you can get the same actresses doing “gonzo” porn (I think that’s the term? the one where they try to make it look kinda amateurish and happening on the spot…) and then they do the “higher quality” stuff and the same girl who looks like regular girl before looks different… (ah movie magic xD)… porn isn’t just filled w/ Brianna Banks, tho maybe that’s all this guy watches? xD
Do different kinds of porn put pressure on other ppl too? o_O I’ve never felt pressure from like… Asian fetish porn… or the “chicks w/ dicks” thing… are white woman being influenced or pressured b/c of the “big black dicks in little white chicks” porn? o_O
I’m curious! We should invite this guy to give us a guest lecture David! :]
Wow. I cannot imagine why our friend Womanhater would have to resort to watching porn*. He doesn’t even sound like he likes that very much.
I would buy a “Pussy Cartel” t-shirt.
*total sarcasm.
PosterformerlyknownasElizabeth,
The weird thing is, I’ve notices that a lot of the MGTOW types have less of an “oh we’re so oppressed” view and more of a “we’re naturally superior, see how the bitches like it when we leave them to die” kind of view point. But the stuff they complain about (women expect us to provide for them!) is pretty easily solved by not ever giving a woman money. And after that and after they get done ranting about how evil women are and how they’re so glad they escaped with their lives, they move on tho the “men are so oppressed” stuff. But like the rest of the MRAs, most of the “oppression” they talk about (woman trick us into having sex with them) only holds water if you view men as sex crazed beasts.
Oh, womanhater. What can I say?
David, some of the stuff you post just fascinates me. And not, solely for the hilariously mockable misogyny and vitriol which I certainly appreciate.
I read something like this and… I don’t know. I, simultaneously, want to shake my head, point out the fallacies one by one, laugh out loud, and fix the guy a plate of my grandma’s baked macaroni and cheese with a glass of sweet tea and tell him that it’s going to be okay, and ask him if he feels better having gotten that off his chest?
Extraordinary.
Also, I don’t hate porn. I find some of it problematic; a lot of it, actually. But I don’t hate it. Not at all.
Does porn work the other way and put pressure on guys to have big penises or not rly? o_O
The multimillion-dollar ‘penis enlargement’ industry and those who advertise it would say yes to that. This is what I meant by porn creating expectations for both men and women – men are supposed to always be ready and willing for sex, become and stay rock-hard as long as they want, and of course be extremely well-endowed. Personally I have no taste for ‘mainstream’ hardcore porn, for many of these reasons, on top of finding it fake and about as arousing as watching plastic dolls go at it.
I think this proves that Ion really really doesn’t pay attention to the conversations here. We’ve discussed supernatural slash fanfic how many times exactly?
Ion, okay if you have no objections to the things that I talk about then how do you support what woman hater is saying?
Never thought I’d say this, but I agree with Ion.
I knew a guy in high school who thought nine inches was the average for a man and he was defective or something.