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PR for the MRM

The scribbled-out face of the Men's Rights Movement

Sometimes MRAs are infuriating; sometimes they are hilarious. And once in a long, long while they are simply adorable. Consider xavan512 (not his real name), a Redditor who thinks it’s high time that MRAs launched a PR campaign to defend themselves against the mean things said about them by “radical feminist blog’s or other ignorant people” who think that:

“Oh those MRA’s just need to get laid” “They are a bunch of lonely neckbeards” “They are just bitter” “They are probably forever alone’s” “They hate women” “Misogynists” ect.

Basically they are trying to make our concerns appear illegitimate because we must be whiny losers. Or because we “hate” women since we don’t adhere to the feminist dogma.

Ok, you say, so far he’s just being sort of irritating. But here is where the “adorable” part comes in. You see, whenever  feminist meanies suggest that MRAs are woman-hating losers, xavan512 proposes, MRAs should respond with “hard evidence” to counter this perception.  No, not penis pictures. Something even better:  pictures of themselves with actual, smiling girlfriends.

Xavan512 started by posting the picture in the top right. Yep, that’s xavan512 and his actual girlfriend, standing in a field, dressed to the nines (or at least the high sixes or sevens). He’s looking dapper in his suit, accented with a bold red tie, and she of course looks lovely in a totally cute dress with an utterly adorable tiny pink purse. I’m not sure if they’re on their way to a prom, or a wedding, of if they just like posing in outdoor settings.

By the way – I didn’t scribble over the faces  on the picture. Xavan512 did that himself, because, he insists, “being publicly MRA is socially taboo.”

After posting this photo, which proves beyond a shadow of a doubt that xavan512 thinks highly enough of at least one human female that he is willing to stand next to her long enough to get a picture taken, this newly self-appointed MR PR guru urged his fellow MRAs “to post a picture of yourself or mention if you have a girlfriend/wife.”

Alas, xavan512’s plan met a certain degree of resistance from fellow Reddit MRAs.

OThomson complained:

Why post a picture of ourselves with our girlfriends, we do not need the Validation of a Women to make our cause just, i’ll freely admit i’m single and looking for the right person because looking for non-crazy, non-privileged, non-annoyance is a genuine trouble these days, i don’t resent Women for that (Ok i slightly resent their position as sexual selectors for our species because it gives them so much power over men) but on the whole i’m an MRA because i want to defend my rights and the rights of all Men.

Francomaistre was even more cutting in his criticism:

I’m sure you propose this with the best of intentions, but I’m with OThomson on this. Trying to engineer some kind of phoney boloney PR campaign with cherry picked images of smiling couples professionally photographed in semi-formal dress in pastoral settings seems like a pretty dramatic mischaracterization of many MRA’s experiences and subtly subverts the movement and concerns that drives many of us to be MRA’s in the first place.

Maybe it’s a separation or divorce situation, maybe we’ve been subject to a false rape or domestic violence accusation, maybe we’re sick of being stereotyped by the media as dim-witted psycho-violent timebombs just waiting to be tripped, or are just generally sick of being treated by second-class citizens by “empowered women” who can judge our sexuality, shame us, and even inflict physical violence on us almost entirely without consequence.

Someone woke up cranky today!

Here’s the thing: the adorableness of xavan512’s picture aside, if MRAs are tired of people calling them misogynists, there’s a much more direct way to challenge this perception – and that is to challenge the rampant misogyny in the MRM.  You want examples? Check the archives here. I’m kind of a lazy bastard, and I don’t like doing any more research than I have to, yet over the relatively brief lifetime of this blog I’ve managed to post literally hundreds of pretty outrageous examples of misogyny from the mouths of (or, rather, the keyboards of) MRAs. And that’s only scratching the surface. I don’t read every MRA blog every day. And I only post a tiny, tiny fraction of the misogyny I run across.  It is everywhere in the MRM.

If you’re an MRA, and you’re NOT a flaming misogynist, and you want your issues to be taken seriously, don’t post pictures of yourself with your smiling girlfriend.  Challenge the misogyny that surrounds you. Get together with other MRAs, and drum the misogynists out of the movement. Build bridges with feminists working on men’s rights issues. Just say no to the douchebags.

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Tabby Lavalamp
Tabby Lavalamp
9 years ago

There’s nothing more evil and misandrist than attacking MRAs by quoting their own words.

Arks
Arks
9 years ago

He’s at least a foot taller than that woman. He could call her a piece of shit to her face and she’d still want his cock. I don’t think he should claim to represent us and our problems.

Johnny Pez
9 years ago

Clearly xavan512 is a man outstanding in his field.

ScareCrow P-Man
9 years ago

Any body taking you seriously, and listening to advice you give out on how to conduct themselves – is a complete idiot.

Who made you a supreme arbiter of “proper conduct”?

And, why don’t you send this message to the feminists sites – and tell them to “drum the misandrists” out of their movement?

Oh yeah – without them, there’d be no feminism….

entombed
entombed
9 years ago

”(Ok i slightly resent their position as sexual selectors for our species because it gives them so much power over men)”

Being called ”creepy” is a MRA’s nightmare, but what is not creepy about complaining that women get to choose who they have a relationship and sex with?
Especially when you take into account that a good portion of the MRM is calling all rape victims liar.
”I resent women because they get to have sex with people they want to have sex with, but don’t call me rapey!”

Seraph
Seraph
9 years ago

The “One of my best friends is a ________” ploy is always easier than actual change.

zombie rotten mcdonald

since Johnny Pez – the bastard!- stole my lame old joke, I’ll go with this one:

xavan512 was simply bragging to his MRA friends.

Victoria von Syrus
Victoria von Syrus
9 years ago

I dated a guy who had issues with women once, when I was younger and dumber. It was very gratifying to me, because by dating me, he was proving I was one of the ‘special ones.’ Of course, he also didn’t really care what I thought when I wasn’t thinking about his penis, so that relationship ended. My point is, it’s entirely possible to be in a relationship and still be a raging misogynist.

The best way to prove one is not a misogynist is not by posting pictures of one with one’s girlfriend/wife/partner, but to refrain from saying misogynist things. It’s really not difficult.

summer_snow
summer_snow
9 years ago

“He’s at least a foot taller than that woman. He could call her a piece of shit to her face and she’d still want his cock. I don’t think he should claim to represent us and our problems.”

You’re the best Poe troll ever, Arks. Between this and the suggestion that men should use The Gift of Fear for pick-up tips, you really are a prize. I’m just slightly confused that your name isn’t an anagram of Ami.

Johnny Pez
9 years ago

ZRM, you seem to be mistaking me for someone else.

arborealhead
arborealhead
9 years ago

“He’s at least a foot taller than that woman. He could call her a piece of shit to her face and she’d still want his cock.”

I’m tall and while it’s nice and all, it doesn’t give you Fonz like powers.

Kes
Kes
9 years ago

Personally, I think the vast majority of the “evangelistic” MRAs are a relatively small group of older men who’ve never managed to have a successful relationship, or have a history of one of more bitterly failed relationships, and their audience is mostly 14-22-year-old men and boys who have not yet had a successful relationship and/or had one bitterly failed relationship and are suffering from massive confirmation bias.

…That was probably so redundant I shouldn’t have bothered to type it. Oh well, prove me, Gentle Scholars!

justanotherscholar
justanotherscholar
9 years ago

It occurs to me that y’all might be interested in a book of art theory called Male Trouble: A Crisis in Representation, by Abigail Solomon-Godeau (Thames & Hudson, 1997). It deals with conflicting representations of “ideal masculinity” in 18th century painting (mostly French). It’s problematic, and deals a lot with androgyny vs emasculation, but it’s very interesting. And it made me realized that virtually all of the published academic matter on men in representation that I’ve encountered that wasn’t blatantly misogynistic was… wait for it… written by women. Does anyone know of examples where this isn’t the case?

Fuck MRAs
Fuck MRAs
9 years ago

I call shenanigans!

Same hair color, same skin tone, same smile. It’s his sister!

Ami Angelwings
9 years ago

Why post a picture of ourselves with our girlfriends, we do not need the Validation of a Women to make our cause just,

I actually agree w/ this guy. It’s like the “this is what a feminist looks like” thing… I get that it’s trying to break the stereotype of what feminists look like, but why is that important? By doing it, you’re saying it’s important what the “enemy” thinks of a superficial thing about you. -_- Why do they need to prove to “feminists” that they aren’t lonely losers or w/e? What if they ARE alone? It’s like how what if you ARE a feminist who wears birkenstocks or is hairy or w/e? o_O

Does it matter? Are feminists more likely to listen to them if they have g/fs? Are MRAs more likely to listen to blonde thin Asian feminists than fat white short ones who don’t shave? (if they are, maybe I should be the public face xD )

I can see this being maybe useful in terms of having a campaign about Men’s Rights saying “MRAs are…” and showing all sorts of different ppl incl MRA women, etc… in terms of getting the message out there that it’s a diverse movement and maybe changing minds that were only made DUE to the stereotype… but not as a counter to the other side… why do you care about their validation or responding to “I’m NOT A LOSER, LOOK!” :

Again, I’m w/ the guys who say trying to counter superficial insults like that is irrelevant. :]

Pecunium
9 years ago

I’m amused that the way to show the “public face” of MRA’s is to hide their faces.

Graham
9 years ago

Another comment from the PR for the MRM Reddit thread:

“Oh I agree, it’s a silly idea, but when women see that the guys doing blogs and YouTube clips about men’s rights do not fit the stereotypes feminists have of us, they’ll get gina tingles just like they do for Obama and every other president they’ve voted for since women got the right to vote, and they’ll be more likely to shut up and listen, which certainly doesn’t hurt.”

😀

Life is What You Make It
Life is What You Make It
9 years ago

I don’t think it would work anyway. Speaking for myself, I would just wonder what life must be like with a man who thinks all women are bitches, whores, gold diggers and stupid.

Ami Angelwings
9 years ago

@Pecunium it’s dangerous to be known as an MRA in society….

zombie rotten mcdonald

that the guys doing blogs and YouTube clips about men’s rights do not fit the stereotypes feminists have of us

As soon as you find one, you be sure to let us know, mmmmkay?

Tabby Lavalamp
Tabby Lavalamp
9 years ago

Damn it, next time I want to try out a new alias, I just might have to go with “Gina Tingles”.

Graham
9 years ago

Gina Tingles would make a great drag queen name.

Victoria von Syrus
Victoria von Syrus
9 years ago

Wait, if it’s dangerous to be known as an MRA in society, then what happened to the immense groundswell of popular support for the MRM that was going to overtake feminisim Any Day Now and put those bitches back in their place? Shouldn’t the current MRAs be regarded as trailblazing heroes?

Oh, wait, no, because there is is no groundswell of popular support for the MRM, and current MRAs are perceived as losers because, well, they’re probably losers.

And @Fuck MRAs: I think you might be right, actually. Their hair color is virtually identical, now that you mention it.

Ohiken
Ohiken
9 years ago

He is also a little higher on that hill, greatly exaggerating the difference in height.

mralieutenant
9 years ago

My first thought was that picture’s fake, because the guy looks at LEAST 6’1.

Tabby Lavalamp
Tabby Lavalamp
9 years ago

So… MRAs can’t be over 6 feet tall?

mralieutenant
9 years ago

I’d say the VAST majority aren’t.

Trollin'MRAs
Trollin'MRAs
9 years ago

I’m laughing at the MRAs making excuses for not having a single picture of themselves with a smiling woman. I mean, how hard is it to have a teacher, classmate, coworker or female family member pretend to like you for one second? The faces are redacted for chrissakes. Unimaginative bitter bozos.

PS: is there a blog post about this Greg Fultz yet? He’s a shining example of the Manosphere desire to curb abortion rights under the pretense they should have some say in whether the lady they got knocked up gets an abortion or not:

http://ontd-political.livejournal.com/8166854.html?thread=503136710

He’s also a total creep who harasses 13 year old girls on neopets:

http://ontd-political.livejournal.com/8166854.html?thread=503136710#t503136710

summer_snow
summer_snow
9 years ago

But MRAL, isn’t the whole point of this picture to take down harmful stereotypes of MRAs? And demonstrate that people with higher social standing can be MRAs?

hellkell
hellkell
9 years ago

Fultz was covered a month or so ago.

hellkell
hellkell
9 years ago

If MRAs are over 6′, I guess that blows your silly Greek system apart, Mr.AL.

Trollin'MRAs
Trollin'MRAs
9 years ago

thanks hellkell, glad to know Man Boobz is on top of the man boobery news.

Amnesia
Amnesia
9 years ago

@David

LOL. XD

zombie rotten mcdonald

But but but DaVID!

He is SHORTER than she is! By Greek Theory, she would not let him touch her, she should be sneering and spitting on him!

zombie rotten mcdonald

of course, they are not on an elevator, so what is the protocol here? How does a woman humiliate a man who is outstanding in his field (oh shut up Johnny Pez, it’s in a new format!)

Amnesia
Amnesia
9 years ago

So, would MRAs actually listen to us feminists when we say we don’t hate men if we post a picture of ourselves standing happily next to a man? Cause if that’s all it took to win that argument, I could raid my facebook photos and find that pretty easily…

zombie rotten mcdonald

ZRM, you seem to be mistaking me for someone else.

by your gravatar, you’re not bald.

zombie rotten mcdonald

Amnesia, YOU ARE ALL FAR TOO DEVIOUS FOR THAT.

Also, Photoshop.

Amused
Amused
9 years ago

She’s not allowed to use Photoshop! It was invented by men!

shaenon
9 years ago

Suggestions for the MRA PR campaign:

My dream is to communicate only in Mr. Show clips and James Tiptree quotes.

Victoria von Syrus
Victoria von Syrus
9 years ago

So, would MRAs actually listen to us feminists when we say we don’t hate men if we post a picture of ourselves standing happily next to a man? Cause if that’s all it took to win that argument, I could raid my facebook photos and find that pretty easily…

They’d just claim that the man was an alpha, an emasculated mangina or only bothering to pose because he hopes for sex.

Then they’d criticize what you look like.

mralieutenant
9 years ago

Okay, Futrelle, I admit I laughed.

Joanna
9 years ago

I’m so glad I live in a society where people aren’t fucking insane.

Amnesia
Amnesia
9 years ago

I’m so tempted to post photos of myself with Disneyworld mascots and claim that as proof that I don’t hate men.

Joanna
9 years ago

LMAO Amnesia. Photoshop yourself beside male celebrities too. XD

Amnesia
Amnesia
9 years ago

Alrighty then. Here goes nothing.

Proof that Amnesia does not hate men!

Joanna
9 years ago

Could be a chick under that Goofy outfit =o

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