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A hard act to wallow

Attention feminist "loosers!" (Who are here represented for some reason by elephants.) It's time for your giant wake-up call!

Always hilarious: MRAs deriding feminists as “cretins” in posts riddled with egregious grammatical errors and other indications of less-than-stellar intellect and/or education.  Pot, kettle, and all that.

Anyway, here’s the dude behind the blog What Men Are Saying About Women trying to argue that even the MSM (mainstream media) has started to turn against feminism. (I had no idea the MSM had ever been pro-feminist in the first place.)  He even throws in a little dig at Ozymandias’ new blog!

For best results, read this aloud in a steady monotone. Insert the word “MONEY” from time to time if you want to interest any ladies within earshot. (Inside joke.)

Well, finally. MSM is finally and slowly seeing things our way. Finally climbing aboard the winning side as they join the ongoing chorus against feminists, feminism and those white knight manginas even though they are busy creating false MRA and Men’s Assistance sites such as the good men project and a few other which I will not list as yet, to try and entrap the unwary and ignorant into joining their anti-male drivel which ofcourse is dying rapidly even though their desperation increases..

Dude, you only need one period at the end of a sentence.

Sadly, those cretins continue their dead end attempts at ridiculing all and sundry because they have the termerity to question their feminist nonsense similar to those same cretins wallowing in the AGW hysteria. [AGW is a reference to global warming, right? –DF] In both cases, those loosers are in for a giant wakeup call but most of them are way too deaf to hear, what!!

How can wake-up calls be “giant?” I guess one could be loud, if you turned up the ringer on your phone, or taped it to your ear, or if whoever made the call yelled at the top of their lungs, but isn’t the idea of the wakeup call that just getting such a call will wake you up?

To you and I, that death knell is on it’s way and nothing will stop that as the MSM will ensure that hate movement wallows into insignificance and irellevancy as the western world finally realises that their hate doctrine is a doctrine of destruction and the funds to that movement have to be cut to ensure that dying, shrivelling, wrinkled carcass is drained of it’s nourishment and that is access to the government trough..

Dude. You know how your computer sometimes puts those little lines under the words you type? This means they’re spelled wrong. You’re supposed to go back and fix them.

Also:  The word “wallow,” used as a verb, means “to roll oneself about in a lazy, relaxed, or ungainly manner,” as in pigs wallowing in mud. It can also mean to take delight in, or luxuriate in, something, or to “to become or remain helpless” — to wallow in ignorance, for example. One cannot, in other words, “wallow into insignificance.” The word you are looking for there is “dwindle,” which means “to become steadily less.”  I realize it can be difficult to keep track of these different meanings, especially given that both words contain the letter “w.” Pro-tip: Words containing the letter “w” do not all mean the same thing.

To finally kill that beast, thrashing as it will as so many rely on it’s existence for income, that end will be all the more enjoyable as it wallows in it’s own destruction..

So that’s four incorrect uses of “it’s” in the last two paragraphs, two of them in the same sentence. The difference between “its” and “it’s” is really not that difficult to understand.  Read and learn.

Once you’ve removed the superfluous periods, gotten your metaphors ironed out, fixed the spelling errors, and learned the proper usage of “it’s” and “its,” we can start in on the rest of the grammatical carnage. That last, er, sentence of yours? All I can say is “wow.”

Let this be a giant, smelly, bad-tasting, itchy, teal-colored wake-up call for you.

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hellkell
hellkell
9 years ago

PFAE, here’s an interesting article by Roseanne on all the b.s. she had to go through to get her feminist show on the air the way she wanted it:

http://nymag.com/arts/tv/upfronts/2011/roseanne-barr-2011-5/

MertvayaRuka
MertvayaRuka
9 years ago

Feminism is the movement that keeps saying men aren’t inherently destructive, violent, oppressive and unintelligent and tries to break the societal conditioning that says men are all those things. Criticism of societal conventions is not agreement with those societal conventions. If you want to know who pushes the idea of men as nothing more than barely-literate, violent and misogynistic children, look at the men in the entertainment industry currently making bank on it. The message of popular culture is that to be male is to be without any strong emotion besides anger or lust, to always attempt to solve problems through force and to see anything coded as “feminine” to be synonymous with weakness. The popular idea of “masculinity” requires men to conform to a draconian code of conduct lest one be seen as “not a real man”. You can’t cry when you feel pain. You can’t be respectful or deferential to women at all. You’re encouraged to show contempt instead of compassion, because compassion is “feminine” and therefore weak. You can’t follow whatever pursuits you want in life, you must only express interest in “manly” things. You can’t dress however you like, speak how you like, love who you want or live like you want without any of it first meeting approval according to “manly” guidelines.

Fuck that noise. I’d rather have a spine than be a “real man”.

MertvayaRuka
MertvayaRuka
9 years ago

@Elizabeth:

“In fact, when I think of one of the best examples of misandry: sitcoms, the only example of a man who is not treated as a buffoon is Dan Connor from Roseanne which was a feminist show.”

That’s exactly it. All of the popular entertainment that revels in this idea of “manliness” and shows disdain for everything feminine almost always portrays male lead characters as dull-witted children that are inexplicably liked by everyone around them. The alcoholic, misogynist dudebro as protagonist is not the creation of feminism.

PosterformerlyknownasElizabeth

The one show that used to drive me up the wall with that premise was Everybody Loves Raymond.

And it is hard to find decent female led shows where the men are equal to the women and not considered to be less (although oddly enough I think Dexter is not too bad for a male led show with plausible women characters.)

Plymouth
Plymouth
9 years ago

Ughhhh, sit coms. I pretty much can’t stand ’em.

MertvayaRuka
MertvayaRuka
9 years ago

I couldn’t watch Everybody Loves Raymond because I saw zero reason for any of those characters to interact with each other. The only time any of them ever expressed anything besides annoyance with or contempt for each other was usually a minor plot device and never lasted for any substantial period of time. The entire premise of the show and its “humor” just seemed to revolve around people who truly hated each other.

hellkell
hellkell
9 years ago

I’d say True Blood has female leads that aren’t less and are plausible in their fantasy realm.

Plymouth
Plymouth
9 years ago

In Plain Sight has an awesome female lead with a male partner who is also pretty awesome.

MertvayaRuka
MertvayaRuka
9 years ago

Plymouth, great show. Both the leads crack me up pretty regularly.

Men's Rights Activist Lieutenant
Men's Rights Activist Lieutenant
9 years ago

OK, MRAs don’t talk about “men of color” because the movement is not a damn race relations movement. We don’t care if you’re black, white, Hispanic, whatever. We focus on issues that arise as a result of being male, not as a result of being of a certain race. It’s also pretty rich being lectured on inclusiveness by the a member of the FEMINIST (aka upper-middle class white college girl) movement.

The instances of female “privilege” I can think of, though, all stem from either women being considered less than full adult/people

I don’t agree, but even if you’re right it’s still privilege. I despise this argument because a lot of men’s privilege (yes, I admit it exists, just not on the same level as female privilege) also has a lot of backhanded expectations and/or baggage that comes along with it.

Orion
Orion
9 years ago

But MRAL, a lot of issues that affect men are also somewhat race-based. For example, black men specifically have a terrible time with police officers, juries, and everyone else connected to law enforcement. I would have a lot more respect for white MRAs if they made time to protest police brutality against black men instead of just complaining about “thugboys.”

PosterformerlyknownasElizabeth

Sure MRAL on the male privilege having some baggage with it. A man who is given a promotion at work “because he has a family to feed” even if he does not has privilege. But the flip side is that he is not expected to be the hands on parent or is mocked for doing so.

Orion
Orion
9 years ago

Filetofswedish: You’re right, of course: most female privileges are side effects of broader ideas that are mostly limited and bad for women. But that doesn’t really make them not privileges, in the sense that men still suffer when they don’t have them. It’s not good for women that they’re considered “natural caretakers” for children but it’s not good for me that I can’t get a job as a babysitter. So women have privileged access to certain jobs, even if as a group they would be perfectly happy to give that privilege back.

hellkell
hellkell
9 years ago

“Upper-middle class white college girl movement?” Take a look around here, there’s more to it than that, upper-middle class white college boy.

Ami Angelwings
9 years ago

@MRAL this is a discussion that happens in feminism quite a lot, the issues of intersectionality and how you can differentiate them…

like, a lot of the time trans men are refused entry into and excluded from men’s shelters… do you believe this is a men’s rights issue or purely a trans rights issue? what responsibility to you believe the MRM has to act on this issue? Do you think they SHOULD? esp since these are shelters that cis men tend to have a say in? one of the reasons given BY the shelters (and trans men do not have the right to opt-in to this risk) is that trans men would be “at risk” of assault and rape… do you believe cis men and cis men in the MRM should do nething about this? or is this a separate trans issue?

Ami Angelwings
9 years ago

@MRAL I’ll flip it too, to somethiing that ALSO has happened, more so in the past, but still does… an example is Vancouver Rape Relief, which is discriminatory against trans women… as are some aspects of feminism… do you believe that cis feminists and ppl who call themselves feminists should fight transphobia IN feminism? and should oppose VRR’s policies? or do you believe that feminism should focus only on cis women cuz it’s a “woman’s movement not a gender identity movement”? much like what you said about about racism in the MRM…

caseymordred
caseymordred
9 years ago

MRAL get it through your head that, yes, women do suffer more than men do in this society.

Ami Angelwings
9 years ago

like for example (and dun ignore the other 2 posts just to respond to this one :3 ), I know that many Asian men actually DO agree w/ you a lot about how women treat men, esp how Asian men are portrayed in the media, and I know many who personally v much would WANT to join the MRM, except that they’re completely turned off by posts objectifying Asian women or ppl who say that Asian men are effeminate, and other such things putting down Asian men… do you believe that MRAs should call out the racism of other MRAs who say this? do YOU do this? or do you think Asian men should suck it up? or do you believe that they shoudl start their own Asian male movement? o_O;; Do you believe that the fight for men’s rights involves fighting stereotypes against black and Asian and latino and Muslim men in the media which ALSO oppresses them in the way women may relate to them? or do you believe those stereotypes aren’t important for the MRM to fight, and that the stereotype of the bumbling sitcom dad is the only one that the MRM should fight b/c it effects “men” and is not a race issue?

this isn’t btw LOADED questions, but merely something to help you think on :3 (also to get a feel about what YOU believe) these are issues feminism deals w/ too…

caseymordred
caseymordred
9 years ago

Good point, Ami. Asian women are not the submissive little dolls they think, and even if they were, who are men to want a “manageable” woman anyway? It reminds me of a guy I know who says “I’ll marry when nagging is outlawed.”

God, when will guys accept that women can and will deny their precious little egos anytime they please? To not accept it is misogyny of the worst kind, I think.

ithiliana
9 years ago

MRAL: Don’t forget queer which I am.

I acknowledge my white girl privilege exists–do you acknowledge your white boy privilege? I acknowledge my class privilege (my father was an academic; his father was a wheat farmer in Washingon state, on land stolen from the local tribal cultures and handed over to European immigrants). Do you? Can you acknowledge the privilege you have as well as the ways in which you have suffered (though, as I asked a while ago, were you even aware of teh National Organizationa of Short Statured People before I mentioned them?)

Do you think queer women as are privileged as straight women.

Can you give me a link to ONE man of color who posts regularly in the the sites associated with men’s rights movements?

If not, why not?

ithiliana
9 years ago

Ami: As I recall, and I may be wrong, the only time MRAL has mentioned any men of color was the time he said something about Asian men messing up the average height or something like that?

He probably also does not notice that the vast majority of Tall CEOS are white men.

Ami Angelwings
9 years ago

@caseymordred well there’s also the problematic issue of Asian men being offended by white MRAs wanting “Asian women” and they say “our women” and that some call us “traitors” -_- to some Asian men, they see things v similarly to the greek system MRAs except that Asians are the omegas and Asian women who aren’t dating them are spitting at them… :

@Ithiliana there prolly are some… but not many… as I said, I know first hand many Asian guys (and black guys) who are turned off by the racism they see :

caseymordred
caseymordred
9 years ago

lol

I recall it being said earlier, and I agree completely, that MRAs are what happens when those afflicted with “Nice Guy Syndrome” reach critical mass and stop pretending to not be entitled misogynist pricks who just can’t accept that they should have to date within their leagues and stop wanting women that are beyond them.

SallyStrange
SallyStrange
9 years ago

How idiotic.

Genuinely shy people do not corner people on elevators late at night and ask them into their bedroom (we’re done with the fiction that “come back to my hotel room for coffee” is an invitation for coffee rather than fucking, right?). That is an act of social aggression, not social awkwardness.