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Stare me up, stare me down

That bitch in the white boots -- what the fuck is she staring at?

Women truly are devious creatures.  Over on MGTOWforums.com, a young fellow named Deano exposes yet more evidence of their accursed misandry: the dreaded stare-and-sneer!

Let’s let him explain:

[M]any women have trouble making eye contact when they approach a man who they know to be perfectly harmless and friendly. As they come within the range where a male acquaintance would simply look you in the eye and nod or say “Hi”, our female friends will stare down and sneer as if you’re a giant slimy turd they cannot bare to look at.

I confess I haven’t run across this so much, but let’s take him at his word: this happens ALL THE TIME! What’s even worse, those pretty princesses often do this even after you’ve spent the whole morning Going Your Own Way helping out cute girls in case this might lead one of them to give you a blowjob.

You may have just gone out of your way earlier that day to fix her hairdryer or carry something heavy up 10 flights of stairs but all of that is forgotten when she sees the opportunity to show what a sulky little bitch she really is.

But Deano is ready for them.

I like to point at the spot they’re staring at as I walk past – as if I have some special powers to direct their gaze. I don’t do it all the time, but it can be piss funny especially when other guys watching are in on the joke.

In your face!

Surprisingly, the story got a bit of a mixed reaction from the other fellows over there. Stonelifter, a true blue MGTOWer, responded with a terse:

I don’t have female friends

Dr. Poon, a medical doctor Going His Own Way who for some reason seems to have specialized in the ickiest parts of a woman, was a bit more supportive:

It is counter-intuitive, but you are doing everything right.

NEVER avoid a woman’s gaze, let HER break the eye lock first and look to the side or to the ground. The establishes DOMINANCE on your end and SUBMISSIVENESS on hers.

LivingFree has a simpler approach:

I usually avoid looking at them during passing. I dont want to give them any impression I value anything about them.

Exactly! That’s why, whenever I spot a girl, I run and hide in a bush. Totally puts them in their place.

I am glad I gave up that whole feminism thing yesterday. I am learning so much about these foul creatures I used to worship.

EDITED TO ADD: I found the picture above here. I added the little red arrow.

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mediumdave
mediumdave
13 years ago

Plymouth, I understand your frustration, but I don’t think this is off-topic. Rape culture is a multi-tentacled monster, but it’s still all one thing. I think we both know why random women on the street don’t make eye contact with random men… some of the men will take it as an invitation. And it’s impossible to know beforehand which men are like that, and which are not.

The MGTOW’ers, MRA’s, PUA’s, “Nice Guys”, “Involuntary Virgins” and general SOB’s are not unaware of this. But because they want to blame women coming and going, they pretend that it’s easy to sort out the assholes from the genuinely good men (which they of course believe themselves to be) just at a glance. So of course, it’s the nasty, stuck-up bitches who pretend that making eye contact is dangerous… when it actually is. QED.

Spearhafoc
13 years ago

Brazil isn’t actually set in Brazil – it’s a dystopian future (sort of) movie set in England – but it uses the song Brazil as a Leitmotif.

Great movie. Highly recommended.

Sarah
Sarah
13 years ago

Mediumdave, I agree with you that issues surrounding eye-contact are a part of rape culture, but I think Plymouth’s complaints are legitament. The discussion got de-railed into rape apology issues that we have already talked about to death, and that have absolutely nothing to do with eye contact.

So, Plymouth, I’m sorry!

And bee, are you sure you want to switch with me? I have to work this weekend. D=

mediumdave
mediumdave
13 years ago

Huh. Well, I’m not going to apologize, but if others wish to drop this topic, fine by me.

caseymordred
caseymordred
13 years ago

Dave: in my experience, the guys who complain about women being cautious are misusing “innocent until proven guilty” to mean “women are morally obligated to assume the best about me sight unseen, and to do otherwise is akin to a false accusation.”

So that’s why they act like the Schrodingers Rapist thing is some sort of collective false accusation. Instead of actually trying to understand why women feel that way.

Johnny Pez
13 years ago

Good luck, Ami! Have fun! Rock the wings!

mediumdave
mediumdave
13 years ago

…they act like the Schrodingers Rapist thing is some sort of collective false accusation.

Yep, such as our friend Eo- uh, the guy who changes his name every week. Another round of that would be too tiresome to contemplate. 😀

PosterformerlyknownasElizabeth

sure Bee, what is the topic of the final?

Plymouth
Plymouth
13 years ago

Personally, I refrain from making eye contact on the street because eye-contact is basically an accusation of rape*. I mean, eye contact encourages men to hit on me and we all know that hitting on someone is just one step removed from having sex with them so by making eye contact with me he’s basically having sex with me so if I have eye contact back I’m letting him rape me! And I’d only let him do that if I planned to accuse him of rape so I can lock him up for life.

There, did I manage to tie the topics together?

*not intended to be a factual statement

mediumdave
mediumdave
13 years ago

You put it better than I did, Plymouth. 😀

Victoria von Syrus
Victoria von Syrus
13 years ago

Hmmm…. I have weekend plans, and could also use some advice myself. My co-habiting boyfriend is running an L5R game this weekend, and I’m mostly looking forward to it. The only thing keeping me from completely looking forward to it is the fact that one of his friends is kind of an asshole to me. He makes really cutting remarks, and I only come up with a good comeback when it’s too late to say anything. I know my boyfriend would listen to me if I said I was sick of the comments and disinvite this guy, but they are really good friends. And my boyfriend just moved from Massachusetts so we could be together, and hasn’t made many new friends, and he’s been friends with this guy for years, so I kind of don’t want to fuck up his social life. Further complicating matters is that my boyfriend works for this guy’s wife. It’s not a job he enjoys, and he’s currently looking for different work, but for now, he’s there.

Bee
Bee
13 years ago

You would do really well at it, Elizabeth. *wink, wink*

Sarah, you would also do better than me at the final. Although I can’t assure you that you’d still have a job after I was done! I don’t feel like doing nothing these days, but sitting in the garden pulling weeds and reading shit on the internet.

Captain Bathrobe
Captain Bathrobe
13 years ago

Yeah, Spear, I love me some Brazil, too. Great movie.

Sarah
Sarah
13 years ago

@Bee: “I don’t feel like doing nothing these days,”

So you feel like doing something? And sometimes it is ok to just garden and read…

Is the final on sex or gaming? Because otherwise I’m not sure I’d be any good. I feel like you are implying something, but I really don’t know what….

Lady Syrus, I would talk to your boyfriend’s friend about it! He sounds like he’s not a bad person, honestly. I suspect he thinks he’s just lightly teasing you, and that you don’t mind. If you tell him it hurts your feelings, he may very well feel bad and stop! And trying can’t hurt, even if it’s not an innocent misunderstanding. I think it should be your first step before you doing anything else at all. *nods*

Victoria von Syrus
Victoria von Syrus
13 years ago

@ Sarah: I don’t know, this ‘teasing’ has involved stuff like calling me ‘sloppy seconds’ or saying that the only reason some guys (guys I respect and who respect me) are friends with me is because of my tits. Even still, I think calling him on it would be the best way to get him to stop. I’m trying to think of the most politic way to go about actually bringing it up.

Victoria von Syrus
Victoria von Syrus
13 years ago

@ David: I just might! I’ve got Capt. Awkward on my blog reader and I do enjoy what she writes. This is probably right up her alley.

Sarah
Sarah
13 years ago

Oh man, yeah. That’s pretty harsh. I would still definatly talk about it with him. He might still not realize how hurtful he’s being. That’s not an excuse, but he still might stop if you ask nicely! We both know that gamer boys are really oblivious.

And I bet your boyfriend would much, much rather have you talk to him about this issue then have you suffer in silence.

Or you could try challenging him to an iaijutsu duel. DEFEND YOUR HONOR, WOMAN!

Victoria von Syrus
Victoria von Syrus
13 years ago

Hell no, Scorpion all the way! 😉

Bee
Bee
13 years ago

Sarah! Well, I feel like doing nothing, basically. No studying, no notes, no research, no grammar. I’m worn out from school, and now I’m kind of in half-ass summer school, and it’s like I just paid $8K to suck ass. So, you’d do better than me because you’re smart, but also because at this point I feel like anyone* would do better than me!

*Well, not just anyone. You know what I mean.

Victoria: I don’t have any good advice, but as for what I’d do in your shoes — probably either stay away from him or just say something short but to the point the next time he said something to me. Just something like, That’s rude, and I can’t talk with someone who’s being rude to me. Excuse me.

I’m not really good at confrontation, though! I just like to participate in Q and A.

Sarah
Sarah
13 years ago

Aw, *hugs* for bee. I am sure you are rocking more then you think. When I was in school I always thought I was absolutely sucking ass at everything, but I still manged to do alright. (I mean, I also still managed to drop-out, but that’s another story altogether…) And I’m glad you think I’m smart, but school and I have a terrible track record! I have confidence in your ability to ace this final, because you’re smart too. <3

Doctress Julia
13 years ago

‘Sloppy seconds’?? That’s a nasty thing to say! I’d probably tell him that he needs to shut the fuck up and stop saying RUDE things to me, because I don’t like getting angry. Grr. (cracks knuckles)

How is it your bf is friends with this turd, when he talks to you like that? :/

Sigh… I hope that you can put the kibosh on that shit quickly and easily.

hellkell
hellkell
13 years ago

Victoria: calling someone “sloppy seconds” is not on, and it’s teasing, it’s packed fat with passive-aggressive asshole behavior. The next time he does it, ask him if he really meant that and tell him how rude he’s being.

Has he said this in front of your boyfriend? Does he think it’s teasing? Job with his wife or not, he should definitely back you up.

Victoria von Syrus
Victoria von Syrus
13 years ago

@ Doctress:

Yeah, the ‘sloppy seconds’ comment actually stunned me into silence long enough for the moment to pass before I could come up with a good reply.

As to the bf, this friend usually doesn’t say those things when he’s around (my bf and I were long distance for awhile). And telling my boyfriend, “Your friend was mean to me!” sounds too much like tattling to me.