Women truly are devious creatures. Over on MGTOWforums.com, a young fellow named Deano exposes yet more evidence of their accursed misandry: the dreaded stare-and-sneer!
Let’s let him explain:
[M]any women have trouble making eye contact when they approach a man who they know to be perfectly harmless and friendly. As they come within the range where a male acquaintance would simply look you in the eye and nod or say “Hi”, our female friends will stare down and sneer as if you’re a giant slimy turd they cannot bare to look at.
I confess I haven’t run across this so much, but let’s take him at his word: this happens ALL THE TIME! What’s even worse, those pretty princesses often do this even after you’ve spent the whole morning Going Your Own Way helping out cute girls in case this might lead one of them to give you a blowjob.
You may have just gone out of your way earlier that day to fix her hairdryer or carry something heavy up 10 flights of stairs but all of that is forgotten when she sees the opportunity to show what a sulky little bitch she really is.
But Deano is ready for them.
I like to point at the spot they’re staring at as I walk past – as if I have some special powers to direct their gaze. I don’t do it all the time, but it can be piss funny especially when other guys watching are in on the joke.
In your face!
Surprisingly, the story got a bit of a mixed reaction from the other fellows over there. Stonelifter, a true blue MGTOWer, responded with a terse:
I don’t have female friends
Dr. Poon, a medical doctor Going His Own Way who for some reason seems to have specialized in the ickiest parts of a woman, was a bit more supportive:
It is counter-intuitive, but you are doing everything right.
NEVER avoid a woman’s gaze, let HER break the eye lock first and look to the side or to the ground. The establishes DOMINANCE on your end and SUBMISSIVENESS on hers.
LivingFree has a simpler approach:
I usually avoid looking at them during passing. I dont want to give them any impression I value anything about them.
Exactly! That’s why, whenever I spot a girl, I run and hide in a bush. Totally puts them in their place.
I am glad I gave up that whole feminism thing yesterday. I am learning so much about these foul creatures I used to worship.
EDITED TO ADD: I found the picture above here. I added the little red arrow.
@Spearhafoc: Only because the feminist strategy relies on keeping men alive for as long as possible. The holocaust wouldn’t have happened if the Nazis could just divorce the Jews and drain their Jew banks for child support.
Only in MRA-land is “men make more money, but women are more likely to need state assistance!” proof of female privilege.
Mr. Zarat, what on earth does that have to do with anything?
Furthermore, I don’t really believe what you’re saying. Prove it, with citations.
Second, even if it were true, one instance of false allegation don’t prove a trend. Feminists aren’t trying to make rape a one sided issue. It is already a one sided issue! It is the rapists fault for raping. End of story.
False allegations aren’t rape and are a separate issue. That I don’t believe is actually endemic.
I know many people who have been sexually assaulted. Most of them don’t press charges. I don’t know anyone who has been falsely accused, with or without charges. I don’t know anyone who has done the false accusing.
Can you provide me with reliable stats on the number of false rape accusations?
@ Zarat:
Yeah, I read the same New York Times article you did. For one, it did not mention false allegations, just that it seems as though the accuser was up to some shady shit (mostly along the lines of drug dealing).
Newsflash: Women who are up to shady shit can still be raped. And it is still wrong.
I guess that would be the downside of a forum. I have a feeling we’d be just inundated with un-facts like that comment.
The DSK allegations looked fishy from the start, and come at a very convenient time for political opponents. And, yes that does make you wonder.
I have not seen evidence however of Ms. Lagarde having some anti-male agenda for the IMF. In fact there are some feminists who think that DSK would have had more women friendly policies then her, him being from the left and she being from the right.
And the connection between the two points is…?
He’s personal friends with French President Nicolas Sarkozy who has both defended him and aided his defense funds while offering him asylum in France, free of prosecution. How is that ruined for life?
Care to post this agenda? You seem to have it memorized. I’m sure Christine Lagarde’s appointment had nothing to do with her support for those feminist regimes in China and India
But thanks for the derail. Jeebus you are a complete moron.
Well yeah. He and his supporters are talking about still having him run as the Socialist Party’s candidate in the primary, so clearly his life is over.
I don’t know. If this is a political set-up, it was inexpertly masterminded. And there is, of course, all that inconvenient physical evidence to ignore. If she made it up, bad on her; she should be punished. On the other hand, if it’s another rape that won’t be prosecuted because it can’t be proved beyond a reasonable doubt, because she’s not a perfect person — well, it’s fucking disappointing, that’s all.
Here from the Reuters article:
They also discovered the woman made a phone call to a jailed man within a day of her encounter with Strauss-Kahn in which she discussed the possible benefits of pursuing the charges against him, the paper said.
The conversation was recorded. The man was among a number of people who had made multiple cash deposits, totaling around $100,000, into the woman’s bank account over the last two years, The New York Times said.
The woman initially said Strauss-Kahn assaulted her and she then cowered in the hallway outside his room until he left and she felt safe to seek help. Now, prosecutors say, she admits she cleaned a nearby room and then returned to Strauss-Kahn’s suite to start cleaning before reporting the incident.
So knowing the above, the following scenario looks most likely:
Aware of his reputation, her criminal friend conspired with her to have her seduce DSK and then press charges against him. She waited until he left to make it look like he fled.
Oh, and Sarah: I love your story! Between you and Pez (and David, of course — sorry, David!), my summer reading’s set!
And again — I am in love with Ami’s cards, from which all amusement flows.
Rawr xD
I too have a lot of difficulty looking ppl in the eyes : Not even strangers (w/ guy strangers I tend not to do it b/c if they’re alrdy looking at me, and I look at their eyes, they almost ALWAYS sidle up to me to hit on me -_- and besides, i hate making eye contact -_-) w/ ppl I know too : I dunno why.. it’s not me trying to be rude.. I just find it v… difficult to llook at ppl in the eyes or face.. I generally stare around their facial area so I dun come off as being weird or nething.. but if I’m not looking at somebody it doesn’t mean I’m not listening : in fact it’s often easier for me to listen if I’m not making eye contact 😐 I dunno why this is 🙁
Also I think a lot of that is in their heads : Sometimes I wonder if there’s a lot of low-self-esteem going on w/ some of these ppl and they’re reading everybody’s body language as being hostile : I know that *I* do this a lot 🙁 therapy has helped me a lot in this respect, as have the reassurance of my friends, but I’m always sure that ppl are going ot dislike me at the drop of a hat : cuz I have big trust issues (ppl who know my past history know why) and I’m always sure that I’m gonna say something wrong, do something wrong.. and I’m always reading ppl’s expressions and tone and b/c of my self-esteem issues and fears, I’m also often reading it wrong : If somebody doesn’t smile, or suddenly stops smiling, or is generally happy, but isn’t,… I start panicking.. omg… did I say something wrong? Do something wrong? Am I about to lose a friend? Are they going to turn on me? Am I not safe nemore? (in a book about EDs I have, a woman who was abused as a child expresses similar views, and how that related to her having an ED to try to get some control cuz she was always worried she had none, that everybody else had the control cuz she was 1 wrong word away from being “not okay” w/ them)
And of course, usually it has nothing to do w/ me : Ppl have bad days, or they just didn’t smile, or they didn’t feel like being super excited, or they’re busy, or worried, or they have something on their mind, something happened I didn’t know about… or that’s just how they are… tehre’s a billion different reasons… but b/c I’m scared and worried and their friendship is important to me, I panic.. and then I MAKE IT ALL ABOUT MYSELF (essentially) where every thing that must be up about them has to be hinged on me, something I did, something I said, or didn’t say, or shoudl have said : and then things tend to go downhill from there.. and what USED to happen when I was a lot younger, was that quickly, I’d end up ending the friendship, just b/c I’d be so scared, and it was safer to not have nebody have the CHANCE to betray me or hurt me : Things became v all or nothing : Either I felt I was “okay” in their eyes and I felt safe and etc, or they were a danger to me, that I was imperfect in their eyes, that I was “flawed” and soon they would realize what a bad person I was, and then when I dun expect it they’ll hurt me…
and once that ball starts rolling (besides that sometimes it would make ME freak out and I’d start apologizing ALL the time for things I hadn’t done, and begging them to forgive me, then starting to not trust what they said.. or thinking I just made myself look pathetic so therefore I made myself MORE flawed… digging the hole basically : ) it usually ends at me just cutting them out of my life in order to feel safe :
Luckily I’m in a much better place (tho I still do get like that sometimes, but my friends know and they help reassure me :] and I’m starting to trust ppl more and have more confidence.. the confidence thing helps a LOT, cuz you start realizing that you ARE a worthwhile person and you’re not living on the edge of a string w/ everybody ready to hate you)
but when I read some of the stuff from guys like this it rly feels familiar to me and similar : That they feel like they’re living on the edge with every person they interact w/, who are all rdy to turn on them on a dime, and they’re over-analyzing every facial reaction, every tone in their voice, trying to see when the person realizes what a pathetic person they are : (I’m not saying they ARE pathetic ppl, I’m saying how they feel.. that they’re worried ppl will KNOW, that a woman is ready to sneer at them and see a pathetic wretch… : ) It’s like a lot of these guys and the whole “alpha/beta/omega” thing.. they’ve alrdy put themselves down in self-esteem, they’re SURE they’re a beta/omega and that at ANY MOMENT some woman is going to realize that.. and they won’t be safe, they won’t be okay :
And like.. therapy helps.. and confidence… and good friends :] and slowly you begin to realize that most of the world isn’t focused on you, and ppl have their own lives, and their own feelings, and sometimes they’re not focused on you at all when they seem suddenly unhappy or stressed : not everything is about you :
Just once, I would like to see a case show up in the news where the default MRA position is not ‘she’s lying’ or ‘she was asking for it.’ I would like to see MRAs condemn rape, rapists and people who defend the idea that anyone other than a rapist is responsible for rape.
Tell you what, I’ll write up a condemnation of Dworkin when you write up a condemnation of rape.
Also.. kwestchun… should I wear wings to the trans march? 😀
When men ever become incapable of staredown and sneering, then they might have room to talk. Otherwise, we really can’t tell women what to do, now can we.
So, I have a desire to keep myself around until I can dispose of myself?
In what alternate universe does anything in that sentence make sense?
Rape is bad, when it actually is rape.
Rape is rape when actual violence or force is used.
When a women has sex and decides after the fact that she didn’t like it very much, it’s not rape.
They also discovered the woman made a phone call to a jailed man within a day of her encounter with Strauss-Kahn in which she discussed the possible benefits of pursuing the charges against him, the paper said.
Were I the victim of such an assault, and were my attacker a person of importance, I, too, would want to weigh the pros and cons of pressing charges with a friend.
The money deposited into her account? Yeah, that’s totally shady, but is certainly not evidence of some sort of scheme to make DSK look bad. What, they magically knew ahead of time that DSK would stay at the hotel where this woman worked, that he’d be leaving when she was on shift, that her shift would have him cleaning his room, that she would succeed in seducing him and then be able to spin it as rape? Jesus, if you want to get DSK caught in a sex scandal, wouldn’t it be easier and cheaper to just pay a few prostitutes to stage something?
My theory is that the money in her account is probably from drug sales. It’s not beyond the scope of my imagination to think that maybe hotel cleaning people sometimes might sell drugs to their clientele. But raping a drug dealer is still wrong.
Ami:
YES! Wings all the way!
I, too, am pro wings!
How does luke123 tell the difference between a woman who was “really” raped and a woman who just felt like spending six hours at the hospital getting questioned and having a rape kit done because she regretted having sex with a guy, I wonder?
“How does luke123 tell the difference between a woman who was “really” raped and a woman who just felt like spending six hours at the hospital getting questioned and having a rape kit done because she regretted having sex with a guy, I wonder”
I can’t just tell. That’s why it needs to be investigated, and not just believed on the accusations alone.
I just read the prosecutors letter-I really would love to see the interview tapes and/or just the questions asked of this lady.
Also, you can be The Worst Person In The World and still get raped. It does however make it harder to prosecute that rape case.
Rape is bad, when it actually is rape.
Rape is rape when actual violence or force is used.
When a women has sex and decides after the fact that she didn’t like it very much, it’s not rape.
Andrea Dworkin said some very inflammatory things and ignored or dismissed many real experiences that actual people had. Her stance on sexuality made it problematic for heterosexual ciswomen to have an open and honest discussion about female desire.
But she still made some good points about violence being a tool of oppression. Her works have value when they are studied in context by serious students of sociology and the overall feminist movement.
The system deciding one is not a credible witness is not the same thing as saying the allegation was false:
Jill on Feministe
Luke-a woman or man who is lying unconscious on a bed does not have to be forced or puts up a struggle. So that person would not have been raped by your definition if someone had sex with them.