Make me an LGBT sandwich, hold the L. And the T.

“Paul Among The People” looks fascinating, going to get that.

@Johnny Pez

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full set there

You do spew hatred everyday on this site Holly Pervocracy.
What? Just because you flap your yap and say you don’t means it’s true?
Oh yea, you are just one giant vessel of outpouring love.
Just remember, what goes around comes around.

More threats; classy. And NWO and MRAL say they aren’t abusive.

Aww ty :3 Where do you live? 😮

Also if there ever was one it should prolly be in Chicago where David lives xD But I am flattered that you suggested my city (claimed in the name of Feminism! >:D ) xD

@Holly among other things he did, my dad did that to my mom too : The sarcastic self flagellation while implying this is what the other person believes of them etc thing >_<;;;

Well, now I’m going to have to turn “Magyc: The Gendering” into a story. Stay tuned.

I dunno if you saw my backstory alrdy (I posted it on MBz 3 times xD )

In the beginning, the White Shaft created man and then woman to give man company. Men and women were created equal but different, and there was a balance. But because of those differences, equality was not always evident to men who excelled at the arts most needed for human survival and advancement: science, invention, warfare, the hunt. Centuries passed and men began to believe they did not need women and began to enslave then, abuse them and the balance was lost. Many women cried out at this injustice and their pleas eventually manifested itself as an entity: The Darknyss, created from their anger, their suffering and their hatred.

Eventually, the Darknyss gained sentience, and with it a twisted understanding of humanity and the world: men were evil and destructive, and women needed to be saved from them. It was with this hateful and destructive motivation, that it lashed out, possessing and infusing women with great power and enhancing their hate and bitterness.

War ensued with horrible abominations and warriors for both sides being created: Alpha Males… Sexbots… Andrea Dworkin… and in the ensuing struggle men realized that they were incomplete without women and women realized that they were incomplete without men. Together, they realized their proper roles, men as protectors, inventors, warriors, women as caretakers, models for paintings and lovers, and sealed the Darknyss away. The balance was restored.

A period of prosperity and unparalleled technological and scientific growth ensued, with women in their proper role and men in theirs.. but the Darknyss festered. Despite that the conditions of it’s birth were gone, it’s purpose and dark hatred remained and it slowly extended it’s hate-filled tendrils back into the world, corrupting, manipulating, seducing.

A thousand years pass, until it’s influence is everywhere… and nowhere. Despite, or perhaps because of it’s comfortable complacency, society begins to chafe against its foundations, foundations built by the blood, sweat and tears of noble men and gentle women. Wives divorced husbands, mothers abandoned sons. Famine and sickness begin to sweep the land, creating poverty, frustration, and with it hatred, envy and anger.

Men who would have accepted their failures and worked harder to overcome them begin to feel resentment and bitterness. Some sought out the Darknyss for a short and easy route to power and revenge, others merely allowed themselves to be manipulated by it. Women who used to be content raising a new generation of noble artisans, engineers, physicians, scientists and warriors, became deluded into believing that they could fill such roles. Many became bitter and angry, blaming their husbands, refusing to tend their home and became lazy, mouthy and fat. Others acted on their unnatural desires and pursued those disciplines fervently, and upon their natural, logical failure to reach those goals, betrayed humankind and pledged their souls and allegiances to the Darknyss.

Daughters turned on fathers. Queens betrayed Kings. Women lay with women. Men with men. Kingdoms split, and kingdoms fell. Only a brave few remembered the old ways and stood for the White Shaft. Betrayal was rampant. Darknyss reigned… the Second Gender War was about to begin.

@Pecunium, I would not exactly say that the Greeks hated “passive” gay partners. The Athenian norm was that sex happened between an adult male citizen and those who were not. The most common form of this was adult male citizen and youth (youth goes from approx 13 to approx 18-20). However, Athenian writings on sexuality do suggest that two adult male citizen relationships did occur, were legal, and were not seen as too upsetting (Achilles and his lover are given as a supporting example of this notion in the Symposium). Also, the Athenians acted as if this model were the norm for Spartans. We have less records of Spartan cultures than Athenian ones, but what we do have suggests that Spartans preferred lovers to be of similar social rank. During the Republic and the early Roman Empire, the focus was less on sex acts and more on proper performance of other masculinized duties (Sparta has a similar emphasis). The Roman empire even allowed male-male marriages (this fell out of favor later, but remained legal until after Christianity became the official religion of Rome). The later Roman attitudes about receptive partners being feminine and therefore inferior seem to be a sort of bastardization of the old Roman and the Athenian ideas mixed with some Persian notions. But, even in the very late Roman empire, the Roman laws did not approach the sort of violence advocated in the Bible. Court records from a treason case a few years before the end of the western empire explicitly point out that bringing a foreigner to Rome to keep him as your gay lover is absolutely legal. The Hebrews were abnormally homophobic for their time (though it might have been in part anti-Hellenic backlash) and it was a Christian Emperor (Justinian) who started the tide of sodomy bans with harsh punishments. Gayness was seen as non-Christian in Justinian’s day, and he used it as one way to scapegoat and punish his non-Christian political opponents. The re-writing of Sodom and Gamorrah to be about gay sex rather than hospitality appears to originate in Justinian. I have heard the pedophilia religious apologism bit before, but it makes little sense as the age of marriage for girls and the age of adulthood for boys in Hebrew culture was every bit as young as the age where Greeks considered youths appropriate sexual partners.

Changing topics to a possibly tmi discussion of orgasms and queer sex. I happen to be one of those folks who does have both clitoral and g-spot orgasms. And, for me, the former are far more intense, and the latter only generally occurs after I have had at least one of the former. Sure, penetration can be fun sometimes, but it isn’t necessary and dick ain’t magic. The best sex I have ever had was with a woman. And, I have had good sex with men. Get over yourselves, penis-havers, sex just isn’t all about you.

Going back to Pride:

GO BRIAN BURKE!

:DDDD

I was alrdy so proud of him when he came out in public support of his late-son being gay (as GM of the Toronto Maple Leafs, and being so involved in macho hockey and sports culture, it’s still so amazing and heart warming :3 ) and then his son died 🙁 and it was so awful : and he marched in his son’s memory in Pride which was so moving and bittersweet 🙁 (and later that year, the Stanley Cup was in the Chicago Pride Parade thx to a Chicago Blackhawks player! )

and now he’s convinced our conservative (and incredibly close minded, possibly homophobic, def racist) mayor to change his mind in participating in Pride! 😀

I may not agree w/ all his hockey decisions (or his stance on hockey violence), but when it comes to being a person, Brian Burke is an amazing awesome person and a wonderful and loving father. :]

darksidecat: I am not home right now, and so the supporting texts aren’t handy, but much of the popular understanding of Greek/Roman feelings on homosexuality is based on Plato’s writings, which are atypical. The Greeks were more tolerant of it, but still saw “andros” as an active role, and penetrated partner wasn’t acting according to andros, hence wasn’t as manly.

The Spartans (from the various writings about the Peloponnesian War) didn’t have much problem with male lovers in the field (which probably is an outgrowth of the agoge culture in which they spent their youth and adolescence) so long as, once they reached marriageable age and condition, they produced children.

The Romans… very different take on it. To penetrate was fine. What a Man did to amuse himself was his business, but to allow oneself to be penetrated was to be a non-man. The various writings make this pretty plain, and they precede Paul; it was in that framework that Paul’s condemnations were made. He was against perpetuating the system that made people less than what they were by categorising them.

It’s not that they outlawed it,but to be a “catamite’ was to lose a huge amount of status, and “even once” was enough to do the damage, hence the large amount of “I will rape your ass” in the insult writings of rivals.

As to the writings of Sodom and Gomorrah, the textual evidence I have, based on Hebrew writings (and from my fiancée and her father [he being a pretty conservative, Conservative rabbi, and she with a degree from Jewish Theological Seminary]) is that the hospitality opinion (among Jews) is at least as old as the Babylonian Talmud.