Quiz: Which of the following is an example of female infidelity? (Check all that apply.)
a) A man and a woman are in a monogamous relationship; neither one sleeps with anyone else.
b) A man and a woman are in a monogamous relationship; the man sleeps with someone else.
c) A man and a woman are in a monogamous relationship; the woman sleeps with someone else.
d) A woman, who may or may not be in a monogamous relationship, works hard at a job she enjoys.
ANSWER: If you answered c, congratulations! You are correct. If you also answered d, you are probably PUA guru and freelance internet asshole “Roissy” or one of his douchey fans. In a recent post Roissy argues, quite sincerely, that women who take their careers seriously are committing a sort of psycho-social-sexual crime against men.
In the post, Roissy quotes a reader of his who’d suggested that “female career obsession [is] a form of infidelity to the family and marrage.” Roissy seconds this opinion and goes on to argue that:
Women who place their careers front and center are committing a kind of betrayal of their sex’s biological and psychological imperatives. It’s like a big middle finger to everything that distinguishes the feminine from the masculine, the yin from the yang.
Is it possible that these women are just, you know, really into their careers? That they’re good at what they do and enjoy doing it? That they want to make a difference in the world? That they might have a family to support? Or that, you know, they simply like making a lot of money?
Of course not. For Roissy, careers are little more than psychological crutches for women who are 1) trying to distract themselves from loneliness and/or sexual boredom:
It’s quite possible that the worst offenders — the 14 hour day lawyercunts and the graduate school hermits — embrace the male-oriented rat race and achievement spectacle because it offers a welcome distraction from either spinsterly loneliness or boring beta male partners who, while intellectually are rationalized as good matches, do not viscerally excite them.
Or, 2) imagining themselves as the heroines in some glamorous romance novel:
Maybe, too, these careerist chicks see their jobs as a way to enter the world of the alpha male, to have a taste of what it would be like to be part of his life. The office cubes and doormen and glassy skyscrapers have given legions of plain janes the daily stimulation to mentally masturbate fantasy romances with the alpha males who run their companies or the alpha salesmen who greet them at the front desk with a twinkle in their eyes.
Or, 3) trying to magically ward off the case of the uglies that apparently infects each and every woman when she hits the age of 40:
When a woman’s SMV [Sexual Market Value] inevitably craters in her 40s, her career might be all she has to lift her spirits, especially if she has no husband she loves, no kids, or even just one kid who spends most of his time playing CoD or robbing convenience stores.
Of course, in Roissy’s mind, these women aren’t quite women to begin with, even before they get hit with the 40th birthday ugly stick:
[T]here is something “off” about women who are excessively devoted to their careers and to obtaining an acronymic parade of pointless credentials. Careerist shrikes are some of the most unpleasant, unfeminine women to be around. They must have more androgen receptors than normal women to be so grating to the male sensibility. Sure, they can fuck like Viagra-laced male pornstars, but as soon as you relieve yourself in them you will feel a second powerful urge to escape their aggro nastiness.
Yeah, somehow I’m guessing that urge to flee is pretty strong in these women as well, as soon as they realize that they guy they’ve just had sex with is a pretentious narcissistic windbag who hates women.
Roissy continues, revealing far more about his own sexual insecurities than about any actual career women:
The women for whom career success is their comfort and their purpose are some sort of weird, monstrous amalgam of man and woman, halfway between both worlds, their sexual polarity askew. These types tend to attract either intense short term flings with alphas or plodding marriages with dweeby, effete kitchen bitches.
Roissy is vaguely aware that feminists – not to mention pretty much anyone who isn’t a complete douchebag misogynist – might have a few issues with his theories here.
The dumbfuck feminists will naturally ask, “Why doesn’t this same theory apply to men? Aren’t they escaping sad love lives by retreating to their careers?”
Don’t you know it’s different for guys? Unlike women, men are evolutionarily programmed to be resource providers for women. It is not a betrayal of a man’s innate purpose in life to ambitiously pursue achievement and accolades. In fact, just the opposite; it’s an affirmation of that ancient purpose.
Remember this, you ungrateful career ladies: WE HUNTED THE MAMMOTH TO FEED YOU!
Why is this divorce argument so important to NWO? o_O What does he think is happening in each of these divorces? (or in the majority of them) and how do they relate to each other? What is the result? If divorce was banned, how would the world be? What would be the practical implications and effects of a world where divorce was illegal that he thinks it’s so important we get rid of divorce? Do ppl not REALLY want to be divorced? xD Do men ever want divorce?
I mean wouldn’t it be easier to convince us if he told us WHY things would be better? xD
Given how often NWO goes back to the gov to try to prove his point (despite that he also thinks they make up stats cuz they’re feminist lying liars xD ) I think it’s *his* beloved “guv” xD
(something fell thru b/c of a giant stupid miscommunication xD so right now, this is my entertainment xD )
*sigh*
For everyone who’s not Slavey: Slavey is a racist. You can tell because when he says ‘ghetto’, he really means ‘black’. In Slavey’s world, all black people in America live in the ghetto.
For Slavey: Feel free to mentally change the word ‘black’ to the word ‘ghetto’ for what follows.
This is according to another census report, which you may find here: http://www.census.gov/apsd/www/statbrief/sb93_2.pdf
In 1950, 78% of black households were married; 18% were female-headed households without a husband. I could not find comparable demographic data for either white Americans or the American population at large for the same time. According to a different data sheet, 4% of households in America were female-headed in 1960, compared to 22% in black households.
In 1993, 63% of black households had one parent, versus 25% of white households.
29% of black families lived in poverty in 1991, compared to 8% of white families. 48% of single parent black families were living below the poverty line.
So the numbers still aren’t great, but they’re not up in the 90s like you continually assert.
NWO’s issues with marriage and divorce are little more than sour grapes.
Also, I meant that NWO was using the words “Black” and “ghetto” interchangeably, not “synonymously.” That was probably clear from the context but, you know, I’d rather correct it than let it stand.
Ami – Good point. It’s easy to get caught up in statistics and not realize that a lot of divorces happen for a really good reason.
And I’m not just talking about men (or women) abusing their partners. (Although that’s some of it, and thank God it’s easier these days for someone to leave an abusive partner, although still not easy enough.) Sometimes two people just aren’t getting anything good out of a marriage, and there’s no reason to stay married just for marriage’s sake.
I’d love to hear why NWO thinks it’s so important that people stay married.
Especially if it doesn’t turn into insinuating that all black kids are born to single mothers in the “ghetto,” which is terrible because… because black people.
Isn’t it anti-MRA ideology to dance and squirm for the entertainment of feminists and women btw? o_O Esp when they’re so angry and upset doing it….
I mean I know that we’re immoral horrible ppl for being all mocky and evil and making Magyc cards (I still love that I’m ALL feminism xD Can we rename it Ami-ism? :3 ) but why would you want to provide free entertainment for us terrible evil feminists? xD
Actually you know what… I think we SHOULD just abandon feminism and the MRM as flawed ideologies and just embrace Ami-ism! 😀 (that or Ami-ism is the hatred of Amis… which would prolly give it more followers actually XDDDDD Or Rodeo Cat-ism xD )
@NWOslave
You are partially right about my attention span I have adhd. But considering I have tried to read your comments before and I have never gotten past a couple of paragraphs because as holly said they are comprised most of “misplaced statistics, bitter sarcasm, and conspiracy theories” I’m thinking it’s you not me. Normally I don’t use tl;dr, it’s a lazy tactic to use in a debate to discredit someone for their writing(but I’m not debating so it doesn’t matter). but seriously why should I even read your comments if its just the same thing over and over again about different subjects. There is even a freakin’ formula(was mentioned on another thread) you follow perfectly every time you debate and lose. It’s pathetic.
In short you are a boring troll and bad debater.
People have such a narrow definition of “work.”
I’m working part time as a substitute preschool teacher while I save for grad school. Don’t be fooled by the word “substitute,” because I’m there nearly every day. And it’s draining. Child care is incredibly difficult work. And while that’s a fact I acknowledged intellectually prior to taking this job, living it has changed my life. I get paid minimum wage to teach children how to write their names, to run a classroom if a teacher can’t make it. I discipline, protect and encourage children for $7.40 an hour. And most women who do this don’t get paid for it. You have no business commenting on whether not child care (and housework, which is also difficult work) qualifies as “work” unless you’ve lived it.
And in the fall, I’m off to get an MA in Postcolonial Culture and Global Policy. I might go to school for international law afterwards. My boyfriend hasn’t gotten his BA yet, and when he does, he wants it in fine arts. If we stay together, I’ll be the breadwinner. And I’m faithful to him. Same as I’ve been to all my partners. Roissy can fuck himself with a pine cone.
I think divorce is a good thing. If one or both members of a partnership don’t want to be together, they shouldn’t have to be together.
Even if NWOslave is right (which I believe is a logical impossibility) about the rising divorce rate, I still wouldn’t care.
@ Spearhafoc:
I always thought ‘decimate’ meant to reduce to 10%, not by 10%. But I looked it up, and you are right! It is to reduce something by about 10%.
@Lyn
Being a home owner and doing all my own stuff I can honestly say you’re insane. 4.77 hours a day. Are you staring at the washer and dryer as the spin?
Do you run thru the house knocking everything over? Are you throwing nightly parties? WOW!
I hate feminism because it paints in too broad strokes. When Sally says “women do 2/3s of the work” the implication is clear that we’re supposed to see women as all being oppressed and men as lazy fat privileged asswipes. Work in credits. Most men work fucking hard, a lot work harder than women, some of whom are lazy as fuck and worthless sacks.
MRAL, do you even see your logical fallacy? You accuse feminism of “painting in broad strokes.” Of generalizing, I presume, And then you write “Most men work fucking hard, a lot work harder than women, some of whom are lazy as fuck and worthless sacks.”
Do you see what did you there?
If not, I’ve got to say I have better luck getting things across to my preschoolers.
@Jumbofish
I’ve lost a debate because………
Ahhhhh, I see, because y’all said so.
Welp, it’s been a long day and I got another whiz bang one comin up tommorow, along with my 4.77 hours of cleaning.
Continue on with the mutual admiration party. Make up some feminist the gathering cards. Mock men. Correct grammar, and do all those fun things you love.
NWO, you live alone, have no children, and probably have low standards for cleanliness and meals.
People with children do an awful lot of housework. People who care about how their homes look and feel and make the bulk of their meals from scratch, do an awful lot of housework.
Comparing your rate of housework to someone else’s is as stupid as suggesting that everyone should dress like you in baggy t-shirts and khaki shorts. Some of us like to keep a nice home and don’t think that being poorly dressed is a virtue.
I hate feminism because it paints in too broad strokes.
Citation needed. What ‘broad strokes’ do you see? Why are they overly broad? Would you be content with a narrowly focused feminism? What would that look like to you?
When Sally says “women do 2/3s of the work” the implication is clear that we’re supposed to see women as all being oppressed and men as lazy fat privileged asswipes.
Maybe that’s what you got out of it, but it’s not what I got out of it. The implication I got was that this isn’t fair, and that there should probably be some social restructuring to fix it. Also – what if it’s *true*? What if it is wholly and completely accurate that, worldwide, women do 2/3 of the work that makes civilization go? Imagine that you are actually living in a world where women do 2/3 of the work, much of it unpaid or underpaid.
Work in credits. Most men work fucking hard, a lot work harder than women, some of whom are lazy as fuck and worthless sacks.
Remember when you were railing against Islam, and you got a lot of shit for singling out Islam and giving Christianity, Judaism, and other hegemonic or destructive religions a pass? And some people here said that they thought all religions were bad and Islam really wasn’t a special case?
The same principle applies here. Both men and women work hard. Both men and women are capable of being lazy. Sometimes, someone can work hard on one day and then be lazy the next. Sometimes people go through periods in their life where they are lazy and then work hard. You can’t single out women for being lazy without also acknowledging that men are lazy.
Also, anyone ever told you about ‘confirmation bias’? If you see a woman not doing anything, you file it in your head with ‘aha! I was right! Women are lazy!’ But if you see a woman working hard, you dismiss it as an anomaly.
You might also want to try Googling ‘Fundamental Attribution Error.’ Changed my perspective on a lot of things when I learned about that.
Yeah, some men are lazy as fuck and worthless sacks as well. People are capable of being lazy or industrious. The issue is not gendered.
Well you gave up plenty and went on to self flagellation, doesn’t that count?
Oh and the self flagellation is part of your formula when you lose…
Congrats you have officially lost
whoops lost again I mean
I was gonna say that most of these MRAs have the mental capacity of a brick wall but then i would be insulting brick walls ;P
I’m leaving. This is stupid.
I’m so amused that this is yet another example of NWO obsessively reading the person he claims he can’t read at all xD and doesn’t care baout! but he’s all gushy about the magyc cards xD (and knows enuf to call it Feminist: The Gathering too xD which shows there IS a fun loving geek inside him! like I suspected XDD I keep trying to bring it up but he keeps doing the |:< face xDD but the Rodeo Cat will get it out of him.. I mean I alrdy got him out of his shell before.. wrt to smileys and I NEVER READ YOU xDDD it's hard to ignore teh Ami :3 )
It’s just like Bee said… Magyc: The Gendering is something MRAs and Feminists all love and can’t get enuf of XDDD even rad fems and MGTOW! <3
I’m leaving. This is stupid.
Sucks to be called out, doesn’t it? Maybe if you actually had reality-based arguments, you’d find that sort of thing happening to you less and less.
NWO, back to work a 28 hour shift at a job that only exists because of government dairy subsidies.
You’d think some university would just be chomping at the bit to have him teach, Multivariable Integral Calculus or something. But, alas, the evil feminist conspiracy is keeping him “slaving” away at a job he clearly hates for a mere $40,000 annually.