Quiz: Which of the following is an example of female infidelity? (Check all that apply.)
a) A man and a woman are in a monogamous relationship; neither one sleeps with anyone else.
b) A man and a woman are in a monogamous relationship; the man sleeps with someone else.
c) A man and a woman are in a monogamous relationship; the woman sleeps with someone else.
d) A woman, who may or may not be in a monogamous relationship, works hard at a job she enjoys.
ANSWER: If you answered c, congratulations! You are correct. If you also answered d, you are probably PUA guru and freelance internet asshole “Roissy” or one of his douchey fans. In a recent post Roissy argues, quite sincerely, that women who take their careers seriously are committing a sort of psycho-social-sexual crime against men.
In the post, Roissy quotes a reader of his who’d suggested that “female career obsession [is] a form of infidelity to the family and marrage.” Roissy seconds this opinion and goes on to argue that:
Women who place their careers front and center are committing a kind of betrayal of their sex’s biological and psychological imperatives. It’s like a big middle finger to everything that distinguishes the feminine from the masculine, the yin from the yang.
Is it possible that these women are just, you know, really into their careers? That they’re good at what they do and enjoy doing it? That they want to make a difference in the world? That they might have a family to support? Or that, you know, they simply like making a lot of money?
Of course not. For Roissy, careers are little more than psychological crutches for women who are 1) trying to distract themselves from loneliness and/or sexual boredom:
It’s quite possible that the worst offenders — the 14 hour day lawyercunts and the graduate school hermits — embrace the male-oriented rat race and achievement spectacle because it offers a welcome distraction from either spinsterly loneliness or boring beta male partners who, while intellectually are rationalized as good matches, do not viscerally excite them.
Or, 2) imagining themselves as the heroines in some glamorous romance novel:
Maybe, too, these careerist chicks see their jobs as a way to enter the world of the alpha male, to have a taste of what it would be like to be part of his life. The office cubes and doormen and glassy skyscrapers have given legions of plain janes the daily stimulation to mentally masturbate fantasy romances with the alpha males who run their companies or the alpha salesmen who greet them at the front desk with a twinkle in their eyes.
Or, 3) trying to magically ward off the case of the uglies that apparently infects each and every woman when she hits the age of 40:
When a woman’s SMV [Sexual Market Value] inevitably craters in her 40s, her career might be all she has to lift her spirits, especially if she has no husband she loves, no kids, or even just one kid who spends most of his time playing CoD or robbing convenience stores.
Of course, in Roissy’s mind, these women aren’t quite women to begin with, even before they get hit with the 40th birthday ugly stick:
[T]here is something “off” about women who are excessively devoted to their careers and to obtaining an acronymic parade of pointless credentials. Careerist shrikes are some of the most unpleasant, unfeminine women to be around. They must have more androgen receptors than normal women to be so grating to the male sensibility. Sure, they can fuck like Viagra-laced male pornstars, but as soon as you relieve yourself in them you will feel a second powerful urge to escape their aggro nastiness.
Yeah, somehow I’m guessing that urge to flee is pretty strong in these women as well, as soon as they realize that they guy they’ve just had sex with is a pretentious narcissistic windbag who hates women.
Roissy continues, revealing far more about his own sexual insecurities than about any actual career women:
The women for whom career success is their comfort and their purpose are some sort of weird, monstrous amalgam of man and woman, halfway between both worlds, their sexual polarity askew. These types tend to attract either intense short term flings with alphas or plodding marriages with dweeby, effete kitchen bitches.
Roissy is vaguely aware that feminists – not to mention pretty much anyone who isn’t a complete douchebag misogynist – might have a few issues with his theories here.
The dumbfuck feminists will naturally ask, “Why doesn’t this same theory apply to men? Aren’t they escaping sad love lives by retreating to their careers?”
Don’t you know it’s different for guys? Unlike women, men are evolutionarily programmed to be resource providers for women. It is not a betrayal of a man’s innate purpose in life to ambitiously pursue achievement and accolades. In fact, just the opposite; it’s an affirmation of that ancient purpose.
Remember this, you ungrateful career ladies: WE HUNTED THE MAMMOTH TO FEED YOU!
NWO, even in the “ghetto” which you love to reference, there are people getting married. Believe me.
And -and it’s ridiculous to even have to explain this- you can’t just make up imaginary numbers, followed by imaginary and irrelevant methodology to support your claims.
I mean, clearly, you can but it’s proof on nothing other than your own delusions.
NWO – Maybe David used too many words.
The divorce rate is not per population. It is per marriage. Unmarried people do not count as “not divorced” in these statistics.
Oh man, I don’t know why I bother. Sometimes the other guys listen, a little. NWO is second only to David K. PEACEANDFREEDOM in the Not Listening Olympics.
David, he does. NWO thinks that the divorce rate is measured agains the number of people. I know it seems crazy, but he really does.
MRAL, when you are a self-sufficient adult whose work and salary support your lifestyle entirely, you’re going to look back on the things you wrote here and feel very, very foolish.
Dave, go to a Guv site and tell me how they give the Stats. Per 100,000 usually.
Same with marriage, they go by the number of married peeps.
If you only have 25% of the population married thats the only stat you CAN draw from.
I don’t think I will.
I like the *this summer is a break* thing – just as a single data point, while I was doing undergrad I would pick up extra shifts and a second job in the summer so that I would could pay for rent and food (rent for both myself and my partner, fyi) more easily for the rest of semester. I regularly worked 60 hour weeks throughout the summer *break* in coffee shops because these were the only jobs I could get.
Y’know what? I don’t think I’m the hardest worker who has ever worked EVA, I feel lucky that I get to go to uni and study things that I’m passionate about. I acknowledge that there are a lot of people out there (men and women) who have it worse than me. I’m stressing about trying to pay for wisdom teeth extraction this year…but I’m not stressing about paying the rent. It’s called *perspective*.
Dave, according to a number one of the beloved here gave they said 75% of the children in the black population are born out of wedlock.
So if 1/2 of the 25% who are married get divorced, are you going to tell me the black population has a 87.5% marital success rate?
MRAL, you will. Believe me you will. Your thoughts about work, who does more, who does less, what counts as work, your ludicrous ideas about how long it takes to go grocery shopping… all of these things will change when you become your sole means of support.
And you will realize how silly your comments are today.
Dave, according to a number one of the beloved here gave they said 75% of the children in the black population are born out of wedlock.
So if 1/2 of the 25% who are married get divorced, are you going to tell me the black population has a 87.5% marital success rate?
No, that would be 50%. You are the worst ever at math.
(Additional Math Hint: not every family has only one child.)
The innumeracy. It burns.
@Amandajane5 this reminds me of a friend I had whose fiance (at the time, now husband :3 ) told her he couldn’t clean the bathroom b/c men didn’t evolve to do it, but women did, and we not only are better at it, but we LIKE it (i guess women who didn’t got eaten by dragons who were attracted to 99% clean or less washrooms xD for the selection process to have been that strict) -_-;; I’ve noticed this attitude a lot, the assumption that work women are expected to do are things we must not just naturally be better at, but also like more than men, so why torture men w/ being unhappy when our minds are better suited to enjoy it? xD
Dave, according to a number one of the beloved here gave they said 75% of the children in the black population are born out of wedlock.
Gods, I hope you’re not talking about me. According to child support stats garnered by the U.S. Census, 48.2% of black children in America live in single-parent homes. I assume some of these children were born to married parents who later divorced.
You’re also presuming that out-of-wedlock births are bad. Why are they bad?
Thats right Holly Pervocracy it is 50%. But the numbers you’re getting saying divorce is down is due to the FACT, that marrieage is down. Thats the point. Sheesh, are you intentionally ignorant.
Seriously, it’s like NWO believes that men are better at math and thus anything he does with numbers is correct.
He is the Humpty Dumpty (in Through the Looking Glass, of course) of math.
http://www.sabian.org/looking_glass6.php
@Victoria von Syrus
“You’re also presuming that out-of-wedlock births are bad. Why are they bad?”
I dunno? You tell me. Are you rushing to live in the Ghetto? The housing is cheap so cruise on ot there and buy youself a nice villa.
See, Victoria, what you’re doing is using “logic” and “reasoning” and “applying” it to the “numbers.” You should realize how unacceptable that is.
Nearly 50% of Black children in the U.S. live in single-parent households. Note, not 72% like the figure for out of wedlock births.
That means that some children’s parents were not married when they were born but were married later. That means that some children’s parents were not married when they were born but later married other people and that they are being raised inside of that marriage. That means that some children’s parents were not married when they were born and never got married and they live with either parent. that means that some children’s parents were married when they were born, but got divorced and now they live with either parent.
Or, if your NWO it means “Bad! Bad! Proof that feminism is a failure.”
It also means that you’ll conflate being Black and living in the “ghetto,” constantly.
But that’s a different post.
Ah, racism.
Also the inexplicable assumption that out-of-wedlock births (like, um, MINE) only happen in the “Ghetto.”
I hate to be pedantic (wait, no I don’t) but “decimate” merely means “remove one tenth”. It derives from a practice that the Roman army used as a punishment for failure or insubordination. The soldiers in a unit would be divided into groups of ten, and forced to draw lots. The loser of each 10, regardless of his actual role in the offending problem, would be killed. This was to keep everybody responsible for everyone else’s actions.
“Decimate” is not a synonym for “destroy”.
Now, NWOslave has made a bunch of posts, each one with a few major mistakes, but I think I’ll just focus on one particularly egregious one – a mistake I’ve corrected him for before, mind.
You couldn’t care less! Saying you “could care less” is saying that you do care, at least a little.
NWO, you racist fucking shit-heel, I’m about done with you using “Black” and “ghetto,” synonymously. I think I’ve been really charitable about this shit for a long time but I’m calling you out on it. Now.
All Black people are not poor. All poor people do not live in the “ghetto.” And all Black people do not live in the “ghetto.”
@MRAL what kind of endurance sports are you talking about? cuz there aren’t a lot of sports that are purely about how much you can endure and don’t have some sort of racing/speed aspect to it… if you dragged out a marathon until ppl started to collapse and die, then you might have your answer after a while o_O
One of the things that do come to mind tho is Professional Sauna (where you sit in over 220F temperatures and see who snaps first) which Rick Reilly describes in a rly interesting (and hilarious in a horrifying way) chapter in his book “Sports from Hell” (nebody interested in sports and athletics shoudl read this book… it’s not just funny.. it’s interesting… and I love reading about ppl who rly care about their sport, no matter how weird it seems.. I mean these are ppl doing something they love, even if they are going broke doing it, and not multi millionaires… and he treats all the sports with respect, incl ones that other ppl would just make assumptions about like Women’s Pro Football and Homeless World Cup of Soccer) and he talks about how the women might be better than the men at just sitting in an oven and enduring pain and they are thinking of getting rid of the gender division b/c female champs were sometimes lasting longer than men.
But I dunno why this is important? xD Except that apparently men can’t give an inch in admitting that women can be physically “better” at nething (and honestly, the only time any of this matters is in sports where there are no outside factors but strict athleticism by the rules (and also we’re taking the top of the top… I dunno what this has to do with an individual random man and an individual random woman? xD )… it’s not like we regularly have to run 100M dashes to determine who lives and who dies… I only note this b/c I find sports fascinating and Kirby mentioned my name xD
Also, MRAL I did the math on your woeful underestimations of how long housework takes (I added an hour per week for cleaning sinks/toilets etc. becuase you left that out) and that amounts to 23.85 hours per week of housework.
Housework, not child-raising, and with only enough time allotted for doing one person’s laundry (protip – doing laundry when you have an infant, toddler, small child, teenager…there is LOTS of it. I can’t tell you how many loads, exactly. For example – infants *spit up* all the time, as I understand it…and then you have to clean bibs, your jumper, more bibs, etc.). and cleaning a small house (I live in a big house…vaccuming takes more time than you suggested). Your estimation, with all that left out, if going off a 5 day work week, means spending 4.77 hours a day cleaning.
Regardless of how *easy* you think this work is…that’s still a fair amount of time spent working.
WOslave | June 24, 2011 at 6:22 pm
@Victoria von Syrus
“You’re also presuming that out-of-wedlock births are bad. Why are they bad?”
I dunno? You tell me.
Shouldn’t he be the one to tell us? o_O
He always makes positive assertions, then doesn’t back them up, and tries (rly badly) to turn it on us xD
I rly want to hear the A to B to C connections… like each step.. not the generalities of “out of wedlock births” = ghetto
I actually wanna hear him lay it out xD I suspect he never does cuz he knows just how racist and classist and horrible he’s going to look xD I generally just assume that that’s the reason he never goes into details about what he believes when ppl ask… cuz ppl are just gonna go “oh my… rly? you think that of your fellow human beings!? O_O” xD
WOslave | June 24, 2011 at 6:22 pm
@Victoria von Syrus
“You’re also presuming that out-of-wedlock births are bad. Why are they bad?”
I dunno? You tell me.
Shouldn’t he be the one to tell us? o_O
He always makes positive assertions, then doesn’t back them up, and tries (rly badly) to turn it on us xD
I rly want to hear the A to B to C connections… like each step.. not the generalities of “out of wedlock births” = ghetto
I actually wanna hear him lay it out xD I suspect he never does cuz he knows just how racist and classist and horrible he’s going to look xD I generally just assume that that’s the reason he never goes into details about what he believes when ppl ask… cuz ppl are just gonna go “oh my… rly? you think that of your fellow human beings!? O_O” xD
Here from your beloved Guv.
http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/divorce.htm
The stats are per 1000.
Now if we doubled that that marriage rate for 40 years ago and only had a 25% divorce rate, the divorce rate per 1000 people would be the same. DUUUUUUUHHHHHHH!