Quiz: Which of the following is an example of female infidelity? (Check all that apply.)
a) A man and a woman are in a monogamous relationship; neither one sleeps with anyone else.
b) A man and a woman are in a monogamous relationship; the man sleeps with someone else.
c) A man and a woman are in a monogamous relationship; the woman sleeps with someone else.
d) A woman, who may or may not be in a monogamous relationship, works hard at a job she enjoys.
ANSWER: If you answered c, congratulations! You are correct. If you also answered d, you are probably PUA guru and freelance internet asshole “Roissy” or one of his douchey fans. In a recent post Roissy argues, quite sincerely, that women who take their careers seriously are committing a sort of psycho-social-sexual crime against men.
In the post, Roissy quotes a reader of his who’d suggested that “female career obsession [is] a form of infidelity to the family and marrage.” Roissy seconds this opinion and goes on to argue that:
Women who place their careers front and center are committing a kind of betrayal of their sex’s biological and psychological imperatives. It’s like a big middle finger to everything that distinguishes the feminine from the masculine, the yin from the yang.
Is it possible that these women are just, you know, really into their careers? That they’re good at what they do and enjoy doing it? That they want to make a difference in the world? That they might have a family to support? Or that, you know, they simply like making a lot of money?
Of course not. For Roissy, careers are little more than psychological crutches for women who are 1) trying to distract themselves from loneliness and/or sexual boredom:
It’s quite possible that the worst offenders — the 14 hour day lawyercunts and the graduate school hermits — embrace the male-oriented rat race and achievement spectacle because it offers a welcome distraction from either spinsterly loneliness or boring beta male partners who, while intellectually are rationalized as good matches, do not viscerally excite them.
Or, 2) imagining themselves as the heroines in some glamorous romance novel:
Maybe, too, these careerist chicks see their jobs as a way to enter the world of the alpha male, to have a taste of what it would be like to be part of his life. The office cubes and doormen and glassy skyscrapers have given legions of plain janes the daily stimulation to mentally masturbate fantasy romances with the alpha males who run their companies or the alpha salesmen who greet them at the front desk with a twinkle in their eyes.
Or, 3) trying to magically ward off the case of the uglies that apparently infects each and every woman when she hits the age of 40:
When a woman’s SMV [Sexual Market Value] inevitably craters in her 40s, her career might be all she has to lift her spirits, especially if she has no husband she loves, no kids, or even just one kid who spends most of his time playing CoD or robbing convenience stores.
Of course, in Roissy’s mind, these women aren’t quite women to begin with, even before they get hit with the 40th birthday ugly stick:
[T]here is something “off” about women who are excessively devoted to their careers and to obtaining an acronymic parade of pointless credentials. Careerist shrikes are some of the most unpleasant, unfeminine women to be around. They must have more androgen receptors than normal women to be so grating to the male sensibility. Sure, they can fuck like Viagra-laced male pornstars, but as soon as you relieve yourself in them you will feel a second powerful urge to escape their aggro nastiness.
Yeah, somehow I’m guessing that urge to flee is pretty strong in these women as well, as soon as they realize that they guy they’ve just had sex with is a pretentious narcissistic windbag who hates women.
Roissy continues, revealing far more about his own sexual insecurities than about any actual career women:
The women for whom career success is their comfort and their purpose are some sort of weird, monstrous amalgam of man and woman, halfway between both worlds, their sexual polarity askew. These types tend to attract either intense short term flings with alphas or plodding marriages with dweeby, effete kitchen bitches.
Roissy is vaguely aware that feminists – not to mention pretty much anyone who isn’t a complete douchebag misogynist – might have a few issues with his theories here.
The dumbfuck feminists will naturally ask, “Why doesn’t this same theory apply to men? Aren’t they escaping sad love lives by retreating to their careers?”
Don’t you know it’s different for guys? Unlike women, men are evolutionarily programmed to be resource providers for women. It is not a betrayal of a man’s innate purpose in life to ambitiously pursue achievement and accolades. In fact, just the opposite; it’s an affirmation of that ancient purpose.
Remember this, you ungrateful career ladies: WE HUNTED THE MAMMOTH TO FEED YOU!
Wow. I thought we’d already explained to NWO that the rate of divorce is measured against the rate of marriage, not the rate of people. And still, still he brings up this long de-bunked non sequitor.
@Victoria von Syrus
I could care less what your socially constructed, and sometimes physically constructed gender benders get.
Also, NWOslave, I don’t know if you have ever even been asked this question here, but:
Why are marriage rates so goshdurned important to you, anyway? Why are you so clinging to the idea that a society must have marriage, or it is doomed? Why do you equate the idea of a declining marriage rate with social dissolution? I think Western Europeans marry far less frequently than Americans, but their societies seem to be doing pretty damn well.
And so what if women do work more than men, COLLECTIVELY? Hypothetically, that doesn’t mean that every man is a lazy entitled oppressor, despite what the The Fymynysts like to say. A lot of men (read: me) work a lot harder than anyone else I know, and that includes these supposed Atlas women. I know women who are lazy as shit, regardless of whether, OVERALL, women work harder. So fuck you, fymynysm.
I could care less what your socially constructed, and sometimes physically constructed gender benders get.
Fine, you’re a homophobe.
And the rest of my comment? Just going to ignore it?
MRAL, do you even have a job?
NWO, let me just run this by you one more time: Unless there are literally zero marriages, divorce rates are independent of marriage rates. They are based on what percentage of couples divorce. It doesn’t matter how many marriages there are.
If only one hundred people in the US were to marry in the US one year — which would make the marriage rate EXTREEEEEMELY low, and half of them divorce, the divorce rate would be 50%.
If every single person in the US were to marry one year — which would make the marriage rate 100% — and half of them divorce, the divorce rate would be 50%.
If 25% of couples divorce, whether there are 100 or 1 zillion million couples, the divorce rate would be 25%. If 75% divorce, regardless of how many couples, it would be 75%.
The only way the marriage rate might affect the divorce rate: if a very high percentage of couples marry, there will probably be more incompatable couples in that bunch than if a very small percentage of couples (those who are really really really truly in love) marry. So (all else being equal) the higher the percentage of people who marry, the higher the divorce rate would be. (Of course there are many many other factors so in the real world it’s not this simple.)
No the rate of divorce is given to by the number of people married. (per thousand) is how they normally give these number.
Holly, MRAL is a lifeguard. Don’t you understand? He’s a LIFEGUARD! He’s probably taken over his mother’s mortgage and car payments.
No the rate of divorce is given to by the number of people married. (per thousand) is how they normally give these number.
The stats on divorcerate.org analyze how many MARRIAGES end in divorce, not how many PEOPLE are divorcing. The rate for a first marriage to end in divorce is 41%. That means that, no matter *how* many people get married, whether it’s ten or ten thousand, 41% of them will divorce.
Or maybe you just like being wrong. Who is this ‘they’ of which you speak? Are they more or less credible than divorcerate.org?
MRAL,
That very same article was the link that started this discussion off. I talked about it, and provided links that suggested that that particular study is not the whole story. I even provided links to LATER studies that contradicted that study.
I guess you haven’t been paying attention.
Once again, you demonstrate why you have no credibility.
I actually have 2 jobs. I work as a cashier at a Starbucks too.
Granted I don’t do much else but that’s more than a lot of people, and compared to the amount of work I do during the school year this summer is a break.
Teh Fymynysts live in your head and talk to you. We understand, it can be very confusing. You should probably seek help.
Lifeguard is a perfectly respectable job for a 20-year-old who’s in school.
But it’s NOT a good basis for claiming that you work harder than any women at a super hard dirty dangerous job.
Hell, I work in an ER! You want to talk hard, dirty, and dangerous? It’s not the worst, it’s much easier than being an EMT in the field was and I’m not going to claim it’s comparable to working in a coal mine… but let’s just say, there are a lot of poop situations and a lot of attempted staff assaults. Not so many suntanning opportunities.
Yeah I realized that a few minutes ago sally. But regardless of whether you’re right or not you’re still a misandrist fymynyst asswipe.
Hypothetically, that doesn’t mean that every man is a lazy entitled oppressor, despite what the The Fymynysts like to say. A lot of men (read: me) work a lot harder than anyone else I know, and that includes these supposed Atlas women.
Wasn’t it YOUR argument that most women are lazy and entitled even tho ppl were telling you that a lot of women were hard workers? o_O Now you’ve just reversed it xD
Also “despite what the The Fymynysts like to say”
who are these feminists and what exactly are they saying? xD Do you hang out w/ a lot of feminists who say this?
A lot of men (read: me) work a lot harder than anyone else I know, and that includes these supposed Atlas women.
This could just be the ppl you know xD What do you do that you consider to be working a lot harder? What do all of the people you know do that you think they could be doing more? xD
Details. By Calvin Klein.
xD
MRAL, do your two jobs pay, exclusively, for the roof over your head, the energy you consume, your health insurance, etc.?
Look we know the rate of divorce for marriage is around/or over 50%.
This number has been going up.
So how can the number be going down?
The only way that works out is if less people get married.
So if only 25% of the population is getting married and half of them are getting divorced. We can say divorce is down per the amount of people.
I can say with 100% confidance that divorce in the ghetto will be lower per person than elsewhere. This of course doesn’t mean they’re all mating for life in the Ghetto.
I work as a cashier at a Starbucks too.
I am so glad I do not go to any Starbucks in Maine or Boston. Given your fixation on certain things, I would be way too scared of having my coffee spit in.
But regardless of whether you’re right or not you’re still a misandrist fymynyst asswipe.
Citation needed.
no they don’t.
I’ve spent a good portion of my adult life as a government employee, and whew, am I rich! Oh no wait, whew, did I get to spend a portion of time every year listening to how even the minimal salary increases we got were *atrocious* (that’s right, if you got a perfect performance review, you were eligible for FIVE WHOLE PERCENT!) and also we’re just going to roll back cost-of-living increases because just because the cost-of-living has gone up 7% and we’re no longer giving even decent increases for good performance, gov’t employees surely don’t need more than 2% because….
I mean, think about this: Cost-of-living has risen 7% but with my supposedly cushy gov’t job I received a 2% salary increase and (in my best years) a 4.2% raise. So, not even up to cost-of-living. And in gov’t, especially local gov’t, you can’t really move much or there would be the whole job-loss thing. In my department new hires were making more than people who had been there for 20 years, because that’s how slow your raises go. Stay a dedicated civil servant? No bonuses for you! Swoop in for a year and swoop out to another place? Get a raise because new hires get more money because they need to be competitive on the job market.
But hey, at least I had health insurance and a retirement plan. I do miss that!
NWO, you actually think that the divorce rate is based on what percentage of people — including those who aren’t married, and therefore can’t divorce — divorce?
That would be like calculating the murder rate for a city by including not only those who live in a city but also everyone who is buried in a cemetery there.
Also, the divorce rate has been been falling since 1980 or so. That’s simply a fact.
Why is NWO so obsessed with life in the ghetto?
But for feminists to say that women run the world
Actually feminists don’t say that. But ppl like NWO do. xD