Quiz: Which of the following is an example of female infidelity? (Check all that apply.)
a) A man and a woman are in a monogamous relationship; neither one sleeps with anyone else.
b) A man and a woman are in a monogamous relationship; the man sleeps with someone else.
c) A man and a woman are in a monogamous relationship; the woman sleeps with someone else.
d) A woman, who may or may not be in a monogamous relationship, works hard at a job she enjoys.
ANSWER: If you answered c, congratulations! You are correct. If you also answered d, you are probably PUA guru and freelance internet asshole “Roissy” or one of his douchey fans. In a recent post Roissy argues, quite sincerely, that women who take their careers seriously are committing a sort of psycho-social-sexual crime against men.
In the post, Roissy quotes a reader of his who’d suggested that “female career obsession [is] a form of infidelity to the family and marrage.” Roissy seconds this opinion and goes on to argue that:
Women who place their careers front and center are committing a kind of betrayal of their sex’s biological and psychological imperatives. It’s like a big middle finger to everything that distinguishes the feminine from the masculine, the yin from the yang.
Is it possible that these women are just, you know, really into their careers? That they’re good at what they do and enjoy doing it? That they want to make a difference in the world? That they might have a family to support? Or that, you know, they simply like making a lot of money?
Of course not. For Roissy, careers are little more than psychological crutches for women who are 1) trying to distract themselves from loneliness and/or sexual boredom:
It’s quite possible that the worst offenders — the 14 hour day lawyercunts and the graduate school hermits — embrace the male-oriented rat race and achievement spectacle because it offers a welcome distraction from either spinsterly loneliness or boring beta male partners who, while intellectually are rationalized as good matches, do not viscerally excite them.
Or, 2) imagining themselves as the heroines in some glamorous romance novel:
Maybe, too, these careerist chicks see their jobs as a way to enter the world of the alpha male, to have a taste of what it would be like to be part of his life. The office cubes and doormen and glassy skyscrapers have given legions of plain janes the daily stimulation to mentally masturbate fantasy romances with the alpha males who run their companies or the alpha salesmen who greet them at the front desk with a twinkle in their eyes.
Or, 3) trying to magically ward off the case of the uglies that apparently infects each and every woman when she hits the age of 40:
When a woman’s SMV [Sexual Market Value] inevitably craters in her 40s, her career might be all she has to lift her spirits, especially if she has no husband she loves, no kids, or even just one kid who spends most of his time playing CoD or robbing convenience stores.
Of course, in Roissy’s mind, these women aren’t quite women to begin with, even before they get hit with the 40th birthday ugly stick:
[T]here is something “off” about women who are excessively devoted to their careers and to obtaining an acronymic parade of pointless credentials. Careerist shrikes are some of the most unpleasant, unfeminine women to be around. They must have more androgen receptors than normal women to be so grating to the male sensibility. Sure, they can fuck like Viagra-laced male pornstars, but as soon as you relieve yourself in them you will feel a second powerful urge to escape their aggro nastiness.
Yeah, somehow I’m guessing that urge to flee is pretty strong in these women as well, as soon as they realize that they guy they’ve just had sex with is a pretentious narcissistic windbag who hates women.
Roissy continues, revealing far more about his own sexual insecurities than about any actual career women:
The women for whom career success is their comfort and their purpose are some sort of weird, monstrous amalgam of man and woman, halfway between both worlds, their sexual polarity askew. These types tend to attract either intense short term flings with alphas or plodding marriages with dweeby, effete kitchen bitches.
Roissy is vaguely aware that feminists – not to mention pretty much anyone who isn’t a complete douchebag misogynist – might have a few issues with his theories here.
The dumbfuck feminists will naturally ask, “Why doesn’t this same theory apply to men? Aren’t they escaping sad love lives by retreating to their careers?”
Don’t you know it’s different for guys? Unlike women, men are evolutionarily programmed to be resource providers for women. It is not a betrayal of a man’s innate purpose in life to ambitiously pursue achievement and accolades. In fact, just the opposite; it’s an affirmation of that ancient purpose.
Remember this, you ungrateful career ladies: WE HUNTED THE MAMMOTH TO FEED YOU!
I got crucified for saying (some) women are lazy, but it’s hunky dory for Sally to throw about bullshit statistics that say women do like 99% of the work and all the men are lazy entitled oppressors
Isn’t it against the comment policy to willfully misrepresent what someone has said? I mean, I hate to be the Policy Police, but that statement really got to me for how full of Wrong it is.
Sure some women do. But they don’t dominate, and you’d think they would if they inherently were better at it.
Personally I think endurance is very specific to the individual, and neither gender can claim to have “more stamina”.
I’d like you to explain how that’s a misrepresentation, because it’s clearly not.
Okay, she said 2/3s, not 99%. Regardless, the principle is the same.
Okay, she said 2/3s, not 99%. Regardless, the principle is the same.
No, dude, it’s really not. You want it to be 99%, because that would justify your overwhelming hatred of women and mocking of women’s desire for equality. You say that the study is wrong, just because you want it to be wrong.
If you disagree with the study, then find another reputable, peer-reviewed study that refutes Sally’s. Otherwise, you’re just being a hateful little troll. Again. You can’t argue with facts.
And what would it mean for you and your view on the world if Sally is actually *right* and the study is correct?
MRAL, since housework is no work at all, why don’t you go tell your mommy that you’ll do it all for the rest of the summer? No problem, right?
@Victoria von Syrus
State employees on average with bennies make 2x as much as private employees. If 25% of you income goes to the State that means it takes 8 private sector workers to employ 1 State worker. A horrible drain.
I didn’t say housework didn’t count. You also assume all the free work men do around the house as invisible, Their work apparently doesn’t count. Ya see men also do stuff around the house.
State employees on average with bennies make 2x as much as private employees. If 25% of you income goes to the State that means it takes 8 private sector workers to employ 1 State worker. A horrible drain.
Citation needed.
I didn’t say housework didn’t count. You also assume all the free work men do around the house as invisible, Their work apparently doesn’t count. Ya see men also do stuff around the house.
That is true, you were not the person who said housework didn’t count. That part was directed at MRAL. It’s difficult to decide if I should just leave a long string of comments, addressed to each individual person I’m refuting, or if I should write one long comment including everyone.
And no one ever said men didn’t do *any* work around the house, they just said that women do *more*.
Hey slavey what to know a secret? I never read your comments unless their really short because they are all composed of the same garbage over and over again.
Me too. These trolls are a bore.
NWO does all the stuff around his house. He has to.
Off topic, I am totally blown away that we’ve got a Troll Tag Team going on. It completely decimates my theory that they all take turns, or politely avoid trolling when someone else is going at it.
@Jumbofish
The reason you don’t read my comments in full is either your attention span is minute, or I’m not one of the perfect ones who you could gush over and join in on the mutual admiration fest.
I’m not reading NWO’s comments either. There’s only so many rounds of “misplaced statistics, made-up statistics, bitter sarcasm, Rothschilds, bankers, bitter sarcasm, men=bad women=good, hatred in hatred out, bitter sarcasm, I’M NOT ANTI-SEMITIC I JUST HATE THE INTERNATIONAL BANKERS AND SOMETIMES I READ HOLOCAUST DENIAL WEBSITES, bitter sarcasm” a girl can take.
Oh shit, I left out the “arguments about who’s asking who more questions.” How could I have forgotten those?
NWO:
Lets say for the moment that you are right, that it takes 8 private sector jobs to fund the payment for 1 governmental job. Where is the money going to go, exactly? You know all those state-provided programs? The money that goes into those institutions are going to the workers who actually provide the service. Get rid of governmental jobs, and you get rid of government.
Which is of course exactly what you want, which makes you about as worthwhile to talk to as a feral racoon.
No NWO, the reason nobody reads your comments in full is that you’re very very dull.
@Victoria von Syrus
Citation needed, google it. You’re all so well accomplished here I wouldn’t dare insult your intelligence. Since you already do sooooooo much of the worlds work, (based on your word alone). What? Another percent’ll kill ya?
You know what’s funny about NWO? He rails against The State, and state workers because he doesn’t understand that the U.S. is a consumer based economy. What’s even funnier, is that his entire livelihood is based on the support of the state and he wants to call other people out for being a drain.
Now, MRAL has never worked to solely support himself or managed a household so, as with many subjects, his opinions are based purely on conjecture and ignorance.
Nothing new here.
I think the study cannot be trusted because work is difficult to compare. 6 hours of housework vs. 6 hours in the canning factory? Both are work, but I know what I’d choose.
Seriously, women no doubt contribute a lot to the world. But for feminists to say that women run the world when teams made up of mostly men built almost every building you see is absurd and misandric.
Worldwide, I think women work about as much as men. In the Western world, I don’t know. I was being hyperbolic earlier, but I do think men do a lot more.
Uh huh.
You say those thing, MRAL, but you don’t offer any independent facts that support your opinions.
I do.
That’s why I have credibility and you don’t.
Citation needed, google it. You’re all so well accomplished here I wouldn’t dare insult your intelligence. Since you already do sooooooo much of the worlds work, (based on your word alone). What? Another percent’ll kill ya?
When you were prattling on and on about how unfair and oppressive child support was, I courteously provided you with a link to a report on Census.gov about divorce and child care. I even typed out all the interesting bits in bullet point form. And then, when you were whining about marriage being dead, I courteously pointed out some stats on divorcerate.org which again proved you wrong, and demonstrated how they proved you wrong. And when you were whining about false accusation of rape, I brought up the facts published by RAINN to prove you wrong.
All I’m asking for is the same courtesy. Surely, to learn such things, you must have read theme somewhere? Did you not bookmark your sites for easy reference? Sometimes I make that mistake, too. I mean to bookmark them but then my browser crashes and I’ve lost them. But I can usually find them again if I use Google. Or, I mean, if it was a book or a magazine or a newspaper, let us know which ones!
I don’t think there are a lot of adult able-bodied women or men, at any time in history, in any place, who don’t work.
The vast majority of people (even most middle-class Americans) just aren’t rich enough to support that.
Worldwide, I think women work about as much as men. In the Western world, I don’t know. I was being hyperbolic earlier, but I do think men do a lot more.
You can think whatever you want, but unless you can prove you’re right, don’t get upset if I continue in thinking that you’re incredibly, stupendously wrong. And wrong because you’re a misogynist and more interested in holding to your ideology than in being challenged and finding out what the truth is.
@Victoria von Syrus
Yes, and you neglected to note that marriage rates are down as well. I rightfully site the Ghetto, where marriage is unbelievable low.
If no one is getting married, the divorce rate will be 0.
http://www.slate.com/id/2164268/
First result on Google. Yeah that’s some immutable “evidence”, Sally.
Yes, and you neglected to note that marriage rates are down as well. I rightfully site the Ghetto, where marriage is unbelievable low.
If no one is getting married, the divorce rate will be 0.
WRONG AGAIN! Jeebus, do I have to copy/paste what I wrote before? I really don’t want to.
In a nutshell: 82% of the American populations will die married or widowed, even if it takes some of them three tries to do it right. Which doesn’t even take into account all the people who are living happily unmarried – cohabiting or poly nests or priests/monks/nuns or whatnot (or the LG folks, who *can’t* get married no matter how much they want to. Want to up the marriage rate? Let gays get married).
I’ll let Spearhafoc deal with your atrocious grammar.