Quiz: Which of the following is an example of female infidelity? (Check all that apply.)
a) A man and a woman are in a monogamous relationship; neither one sleeps with anyone else.
b) A man and a woman are in a monogamous relationship; the man sleeps with someone else.
c) A man and a woman are in a monogamous relationship; the woman sleeps with someone else.
d) A woman, who may or may not be in a monogamous relationship, works hard at a job she enjoys.
ANSWER: If you answered c, congratulations! You are correct. If you also answered d, you are probably PUA guru and freelance internet asshole “Roissy” or one of his douchey fans. In a recent post Roissy argues, quite sincerely, that women who take their careers seriously are committing a sort of psycho-social-sexual crime against men.
In the post, Roissy quotes a reader of his who’d suggested that “female career obsession [is] a form of infidelity to the family and marrage.” Roissy seconds this opinion and goes on to argue that:
Women who place their careers front and center are committing a kind of betrayal of their sex’s biological and psychological imperatives. It’s like a big middle finger to everything that distinguishes the feminine from the masculine, the yin from the yang.
Is it possible that these women are just, you know, really into their careers? That they’re good at what they do and enjoy doing it? That they want to make a difference in the world? That they might have a family to support? Or that, you know, they simply like making a lot of money?
Of course not. For Roissy, careers are little more than psychological crutches for women who are 1) trying to distract themselves from loneliness and/or sexual boredom:
It’s quite possible that the worst offenders — the 14 hour day lawyercunts and the graduate school hermits — embrace the male-oriented rat race and achievement spectacle because it offers a welcome distraction from either spinsterly loneliness or boring beta male partners who, while intellectually are rationalized as good matches, do not viscerally excite them.
Or, 2) imagining themselves as the heroines in some glamorous romance novel:
Maybe, too, these careerist chicks see their jobs as a way to enter the world of the alpha male, to have a taste of what it would be like to be part of his life. The office cubes and doormen and glassy skyscrapers have given legions of plain janes the daily stimulation to mentally masturbate fantasy romances with the alpha males who run their companies or the alpha salesmen who greet them at the front desk with a twinkle in their eyes.
Or, 3) trying to magically ward off the case of the uglies that apparently infects each and every woman when she hits the age of 40:
When a woman’s SMV [Sexual Market Value] inevitably craters in her 40s, her career might be all she has to lift her spirits, especially if she has no husband she loves, no kids, or even just one kid who spends most of his time playing CoD or robbing convenience stores.
Of course, in Roissy’s mind, these women aren’t quite women to begin with, even before they get hit with the 40th birthday ugly stick:
[T]here is something “off” about women who are excessively devoted to their careers and to obtaining an acronymic parade of pointless credentials. Careerist shrikes are some of the most unpleasant, unfeminine women to be around. They must have more androgen receptors than normal women to be so grating to the male sensibility. Sure, they can fuck like Viagra-laced male pornstars, but as soon as you relieve yourself in them you will feel a second powerful urge to escape their aggro nastiness.
Yeah, somehow I’m guessing that urge to flee is pretty strong in these women as well, as soon as they realize that they guy they’ve just had sex with is a pretentious narcissistic windbag who hates women.
Roissy continues, revealing far more about his own sexual insecurities than about any actual career women:
The women for whom career success is their comfort and their purpose are some sort of weird, monstrous amalgam of man and woman, halfway between both worlds, their sexual polarity askew. These types tend to attract either intense short term flings with alphas or plodding marriages with dweeby, effete kitchen bitches.
Roissy is vaguely aware that feminists – not to mention pretty much anyone who isn’t a complete douchebag misogynist – might have a few issues with his theories here.
The dumbfuck feminists will naturally ask, “Why doesn’t this same theory apply to men? Aren’t they escaping sad love lives by retreating to their careers?”
Don’t you know it’s different for guys? Unlike women, men are evolutionarily programmed to be resource providers for women. It is not a betrayal of a man’s innate purpose in life to ambitiously pursue achievement and accolades. In fact, just the opposite; it’s an affirmation of that ancient purpose.
Remember this, you ungrateful career ladies: WE HUNTED THE MAMMOTH TO FEED YOU!
Well, there is a lot of (offensive and largely worthless) female “game” advice out there, but it ain’t coming from feminists:
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SallyStrange can say women do more work because she is including nebulous shit like “unpaid housework hours” and “emotional support”. While certainly work, the unmeasurable nature of it allows fymynyst idiots like Sally to pretty much assign any value they want to it… thus giving them stats like “women to 2/3rds of the worlds work…. (values assigned arbitrarily).
In reality, housework is not measurable. So I really don’t know which gender, overall, does more work. However, I think we can safely say women do not do 2/3 of the work in the world. That’s a fucking laugh.
Appeal to Nature Fallacy. *Facepalm* Seriously, who is starting to get with my plan that we add learning about that to elementary school curriculums.
@Louie, find me a study on labour that takes into account that child care goes beyond bathing and feeding for small children, who must be watched constantly. Most of these studies define childcare in such sparse terms that a parent who only met those limits for a small child would be criminally negligent. Clearly, if someone think an infant needs no care when not eating or being changed, they have never looked after an infant. Many of these studies also fail to take into account home labour such as piece work or gardening work.
“In reality, housework is not measurable.”
Which is why you gave us measurements earlier?
I can’t, but not because they may or may not exist, but because I have no interest in reading them any more than I am in reading Roissy.
What I have read of Roissy, “funny, smart and on the money” is like describing a track suit as “classy”.
@ Louie
From the article you linked to:
The factoid I referenced was specifically addressing the GLOBAL inequalities between men and women. So in fact you are not debunking anything I said, you seem to be agreeing with me.
The reason men and women are approaching parity in industrialized countries is because of the work feminists have done in making sure that is the case; the authors of the study themselves state this:
Also, it’s not clear to me whether the study was addressing paid work only, or both paid and unpaid work. Looks to me like they’re only talking about paid work.
The most recent studies still confirm that women do more household chores than men, and that if current trends in the US continue, it won’t be until 2050 that men and women actually split household work evenly.
You’re a rather pathetic little yutz, but this has been entertaining. Got anything else?
If women did 2/3 of the work don’t you think that they would be the taller stronger ones?
Actually, isn’t there some study which concluded that, while men have more natural muscle mass, women have more inherent stamina? Not every type of ‘work’ requires sheer brute strength – I imagine strength doesn’t help one much when chasing after a toddler or two all day, but I bet stamina comes in hella useful.
In reality, housework is not measurable
Actually, it kind of is, MRAL. You ask someone to keep a record of how many minutes per day they spend on various household chores, and then after, oh, I don’t know, six months, say, you crunch the numbers and average them all out.
And I remember reading not too long ago some health study that said 40 minutes of housework was equivalent to a 20-30 minute cardio workout, or something like that (my numbers could be off, what I remember clearly is that housework was equivalent to a workout). They measured how many calories were expended by people as they swept, vacuumed, etc.
Yeah, that study Louie was talking about does talk about “home work,” but as is clear from the article I linked to, their contention that housework is evenly divided between men and women is far from being non-controversial.
@ MRAL
Despite your claims of housework being impossible to quantify, numerous studies can and do quantify it. Why don’t you stop being a whining little titty-baby, use the google machine, and look some of them up? Hey, you might learn something! Remember, the other posters here are REAL LIVE PEOPLE with their own lives. They’re not here to do your homework for you.
This is clearly someone who’s never had to be involved in a conversation like so: (note: real example from my real life)
It is a weekday evening, we’ve both returned from our 40-hour a week jobs and I am cooking dinner for the two of us while he sits on the couch watching tv.
Him: Hon, the stairs really need to be vacuumed.
Me: Really? I don’t think they look bad, but the vacuum’s in the coat closet if you want it.
Next day:
Him: Hon, the stairs still really need to be vacuumed.
Me: They’re still not bothering me, but you can feel free to do it yourself, the vacuum’s still in the coat closet.
Two weeks later in the middle of an argument about something else:
Him: You suck! I can’t believe you still haven’t vacuumed the stairs!
Me: I don’t care about the damn stairs, vacuum them yourself if it’s so important to you!
I mean, why should I have to heft the damn vacuum up and down the stairs – isn’t he supposed to be the strong one? Especially when I think they look fine? But, you know, vacuuming is a woman’s *job* (nevermind that he was perfectly capable of doing it before we moved in together) and I apparently should have seen to it while cooking him a meal.
It happens. It happens with men who didn’t act like that at all until they thought they had a new maid. It happens with men who don’t mean to act like that and can realize their entitlement when it’s pointed out to them. It happens with men who swear up and down they’d never be offended if their SO made more money than them…until they do.
Shaenon’s account of history according to the MRM is fantastic.
And MRAL, you yourself quantified how much time housework takes further up this thread. I remember because I was amazed anyone would bother to do that.
how the fuck is housework nebulous? It’s fucking work. It burns calories. You can work up a sweat doing it. At least some amount of it is necessary if you don’t want to live in a cesspool.
Well, that does depend on your definition of cesspool. I’m with Quentin Crisp, who said that after the first two years the dust doesn’t get noticeably any worse.
You people are a riot, still trying to serve up a cow manure sandwich and call it angus beef. Amazing how you’ll prattle off women doing 2/3s or 80% of the worlds work like it’s gospel cause women say they do sooooo very much and men are shit assed lazy. I love how thats OK to say, oh hell its way funny. But call women lazy, nuhuhhh, that makes you a bad ole misogynist.
This is womens employment. Women make up over 70% of over 22 million State employees. So around 15 million State employees, a massive drain on the economy. Their job, well talking, moving information about, secreterial, surveys, ect. The other 30% of men working for the State, equally worthless.
Women who are well paid outside of the public sector are generally sales, presentations, banking, speculators, ect. that make up maybe 0.01% of women employed. These are the big moneymakers along with an equally low number of men maybe 0.03%. THe buy/sell your lives on the stock market, or sell foreign products. They don’t care about you.
The majority of women in the private sector are employed, (other than walmart workers) in what can only be called childcare. They’re either directly taking care of children, or doing laundry service, catering, food service, (mcDonalds), driving service, ect. It’s all basically childcare. The childcare industry grew up around women who went to work. Just in the Guv if you have 1/2 of those women employing childcare services you’ll have 7.5 million women caring for 7.5 million of those women’s children who are paid by taxpayers. What a monsterous waste.
Then of course you have the “equality” laws which basically make any US company uncompetetive. Insisting a company hire “x” amount of women, (who will want office jobs) as opposed to the dirty/dangerous jobs, that cost will be transferred to the customer. Whose going to buy a US product rather than a foreign product of the same quality if the foreign product is 1/2 price? This policy is an economy destroyer.
How do you think the US went from literally #1 in worldwide supply of almost everything to the worlds ghetto in just 60 years. Philadelphia shipyard supplied over 50% of the worlds ships at one time. State policy killed every industry in our nation. The Federal Guv is supposed to have very limited power, and all federally funding as per the constitution, is supposed to come from import and excise tax.
We now live in a Nanny State, a matriarch, and it will continue to get much, much worse. The mencession that women laughed and giggled about is nothing compared to the coming womancession. If a million women lose their jobs for the State or sales, banking, ect. another million will lose those childcare jobs of babysitting, transprtation, laundry, food, ect. And it’s coming, make no mistake about it.
Manufacturing, farming, local production, ect. is what you should have been voting for, Remember women have the vote, and all the Guv leaps to cater to your every whim. It gives them more money and more power. You should have been supporting men instead of crying to the Guv for more perks. So what will you do now? Ask for more laws to support womens economy? Drain more from what little there is left? The ball is in your court. Will you blame men when things go bad.
“The women’s suffrage movement is only the small edge of the wedge, if we allow women to vote it will mean the loss of social structure and the rise of every liberal cause under the sun. Women are well represented by their fathers, brothers, and husbands.”
– Winston Churchill
And that is exactly what has happened.
So six hours of off-and-on vacuuming, taking a long break in the middle to eat, in a nice sunlit house, is comparable to working in dangerous environments, without a break (remember, men still work all the dangerous jobs).
This is why it’s not measurable. Idiot.
Actually NWO has a point, I got crucified for saying (some) women are lazy, but it’s hunky dory for Sally to throw about bullshit statistics that say women do like 99% of the work and all the men are lazy entitled oppressors. Fuck that, and fuck fymynysm.
And women do not have more “stamina” than men. If that were true, why aren’t there any women in men’s endurance sports?
@MRAL and NWO:
How did we get from 2/3s of the work globally (yes that probably includes care of children) to 2/3s of paid jobs, to 80%, to 99%? Isn’t this the exact definition of a straw man argument?
So six hours of off-and-on vacuuming, taking a long break in the middle to eat, in a nice sunlit house,
No one spends six hours vacuuming. Stay-at-home moms spend the vast majority of their time cleaning up after, entertaining, feeding, teaching, and keeping-from-eating-oven-cleaner their kids. It’s less like being a housekeeper (which is a real job, no?) for six hours and more like being a housekeeper and daycare worker from breakfast to bedtime story.
…Also do you have more sympathy for women whose homes have poor lighting?
…Also, come on, it’s not like you work in a coal mine either. Me, I spent two years as an EMT, and after being on umpty-billion crime scenes and digging our ambulance out of the snow at 4 AM and putting people in restraints who were trying to eat my face off, I don’t know about “men still work all the dangerous jobs.”
@MRAL:
Indpendent of who has “more stamina,” women are not allowed to compete in a bunch of male sports. Talk to Ami about this, she knows much more than I.
2/3, 80%, 90%, whatever. The point of the “argument” is that women do more work that men, and it’s based on misandry, lies, and distorted statistics.
I just pictured NWO as a ventriloquist with MRAL sitting on his knee with an arm up his ass.
So around 15 million State employees, a massive drain on the economy.
Not really. Those state employees are able to buy food and clothes, go see movies, buy and operate a car, go to salons for haircuts, take vacations, pay rent/mortgage and everything else that makes the economy go.
So six hours of off-and-on vacuuming, taking a long break in the middle to eat, in a nice sunlit house, is comparable to working in dangerous environments, without a break (remember, men still work all the dangerous jobs).
This is why it’s not measurable. Idiot.
Logic fail! Some men work dangerous jobs so women’s housework doesn’t count?
What about that man coming home from his dangerous job (how many working men actually HAVE dangerous jobs? I mean, what % of the working male population are at significant risk? How does that compare to a woman’s risk?) to a clean home and a well-cooked meal and cared for children? Does that just magically not count because it was an XX-chromosomed person doing it?
I mean, what if you have two gay men where one of them is a highly paid construction worker or electrician and the other man stays home to take care of their children? Is the SAHD just a waste of space the same way a SAHM is?
2/3, 80%, 90%, whatever. The point of the “argument” is that women do more work that men, and it’s based on misandry, lies, and distorted statistics.
Prove it.
Otherwise, you’re just talking out of your trollish ass.
I didn’t “throw around” any statistics. I cited sources, and gave explanations. I referenced current research. I gave links.
This, MRAL, is why you fail. I have credibility. You don’t. Either get used to it, or stop being a whiny-ass titty baby and do some homework. For instance, you made a verifiable claim:
Rather than backing this up with an idiotic rhetorical question (are women ALLOWED in men’s endurance sports? Which endurance sports? And are we really talking about sports here, or other kinds of endurance?), why don’t you try backing it up with an actual STUDY on the relative endurance of men vs. women? I’m quite confident that such studies have been done. Oh right, you’re a lazy, entitled, whiney-ass titty baby who can’t do his own homework but expects his opinions to be respected anyway.
Hey slavey what to know a secret? I never read your comments unless their really short because they are all composed of the same garbage over and over again. Don’t you know your not suppose to recycle garbage? Didn’t they teach you that in elementary school or where they too busy indoctrining you with EVIL FEMINSM.
Another thing to keep in mind, MRAL – Most women work and do housework. The number of women who can afford a “housewife” lifestyle (excepting women staying home with small children, which is a LOT more work than just housework) is pretty vanishingly small.
When you talk about two hours a day of housework–put those two hours after the woman comes home from a full day of “real” work.