Quiz: Which of the following is an example of female infidelity? (Check all that apply.)
a) A man and a woman are in a monogamous relationship; neither one sleeps with anyone else.
b) A man and a woman are in a monogamous relationship; the man sleeps with someone else.
c) A man and a woman are in a monogamous relationship; the woman sleeps with someone else.
d) A woman, who may or may not be in a monogamous relationship, works hard at a job she enjoys.
ANSWER: If you answered c, congratulations! You are correct. If you also answered d, you are probably PUA guru and freelance internet asshole “Roissy” or one of his douchey fans. In a recent post Roissy argues, quite sincerely, that women who take their careers seriously are committing a sort of psycho-social-sexual crime against men.
In the post, Roissy quotes a reader of his who’d suggested that “female career obsession [is] a form of infidelity to the family and marrage.” Roissy seconds this opinion and goes on to argue that:
Women who place their careers front and center are committing a kind of betrayal of their sex’s biological and psychological imperatives. It’s like a big middle finger to everything that distinguishes the feminine from the masculine, the yin from the yang.
Is it possible that these women are just, you know, really into their careers? That they’re good at what they do and enjoy doing it? That they want to make a difference in the world? That they might have a family to support? Or that, you know, they simply like making a lot of money?
Of course not. For Roissy, careers are little more than psychological crutches for women who are 1) trying to distract themselves from loneliness and/or sexual boredom:
It’s quite possible that the worst offenders — the 14 hour day lawyercunts and the graduate school hermits — embrace the male-oriented rat race and achievement spectacle because it offers a welcome distraction from either spinsterly loneliness or boring beta male partners who, while intellectually are rationalized as good matches, do not viscerally excite them.
Or, 2) imagining themselves as the heroines in some glamorous romance novel:
Maybe, too, these careerist chicks see their jobs as a way to enter the world of the alpha male, to have a taste of what it would be like to be part of his life. The office cubes and doormen and glassy skyscrapers have given legions of plain janes the daily stimulation to mentally masturbate fantasy romances with the alpha males who run their companies or the alpha salesmen who greet them at the front desk with a twinkle in their eyes.
Or, 3) trying to magically ward off the case of the uglies that apparently infects each and every woman when she hits the age of 40:
When a woman’s SMV [Sexual Market Value] inevitably craters in her 40s, her career might be all she has to lift her spirits, especially if she has no husband she loves, no kids, or even just one kid who spends most of his time playing CoD or robbing convenience stores.
Of course, in Roissy’s mind, these women aren’t quite women to begin with, even before they get hit with the 40th birthday ugly stick:
[T]here is something “off” about women who are excessively devoted to their careers and to obtaining an acronymic parade of pointless credentials. Careerist shrikes are some of the most unpleasant, unfeminine women to be around. They must have more androgen receptors than normal women to be so grating to the male sensibility. Sure, they can fuck like Viagra-laced male pornstars, but as soon as you relieve yourself in them you will feel a second powerful urge to escape their aggro nastiness.
Yeah, somehow I’m guessing that urge to flee is pretty strong in these women as well, as soon as they realize that they guy they’ve just had sex with is a pretentious narcissistic windbag who hates women.
Roissy continues, revealing far more about his own sexual insecurities than about any actual career women:
The women for whom career success is their comfort and their purpose are some sort of weird, monstrous amalgam of man and woman, halfway between both worlds, their sexual polarity askew. These types tend to attract either intense short term flings with alphas or plodding marriages with dweeby, effete kitchen bitches.
Roissy is vaguely aware that feminists – not to mention pretty much anyone who isn’t a complete douchebag misogynist – might have a few issues with his theories here.
The dumbfuck feminists will naturally ask, “Why doesn’t this same theory apply to men? Aren’t they escaping sad love lives by retreating to their careers?”
Don’t you know it’s different for guys? Unlike women, men are evolutionarily programmed to be resource providers for women. It is not a betrayal of a man’s innate purpose in life to ambitiously pursue achievement and accolades. In fact, just the opposite; it’s an affirmation of that ancient purpose.
Remember this, you ungrateful career ladies: WE HUNTED THE MAMMOTH TO FEED YOU!
He shoots! …aaaaannnnd… Air BALL!
http://www.theolympian.com/2011/06/21/1694146/wal-mart-decision-sets-precedent.html
Must be nice to have no actual contact with society and the outside world.
I was in an open relationship, she found out about it and that’s when her infidelity started.
Fuck MRAs is a fucking idiot is what I meant. Adds nothing of value but man-bashing. FUCK Fuck MRAs.
As opposed to what, your witty and insightful remarks? And you’ve never, ever bashed ‘fymynsts’, nor would you ever bash someone by saying ‘fuck you’ or calling them a ‘fucking idiot,’ right?
Fuck MRAs adds more to the conversation than you do. She’s certainly quite angry, and I don’t agree with everything she’s said here, but at least she has the decency not to whine ad nauseum about herself and her problems.
Or is the only value to be had in a conversation measured by how much attention you’re getting? Do you not like Fuck MRAs because she takes the spotlight away from you?
Yeah, I work too much. I’m trying to save so that my boyfriend and I can have a nice dinner together, a nice apartment together, a nice vacation together… Is it wrong to work hard so that I can give my loved one nice things? Isn’t that what he’s arguing men do? Why does my vagina make suddenly a horrible abberation to work hard so I can treat my beloved well? I really am not following the logic here.
— Richard H. Robbins, Global Problems and the Culture of Capitalism, (Allyn and Bacon, 1999), p. 354
Source
Roissy took his name from a town in France that features in The Story Of O. I quite like the book, but I won’t be able to read it again because now it’s tainted with him.
Aww, I have a hater. That’s cute.
I bet you’ve got more than one hater, given that you’re the most unlikable piece of shit I’ve ever had the displeasure of communicating with. Fuck you.
😀
Apropos of the invisible work of parents in general and women in particular, yesterday I talked my five-year-old down from the edge of a screaming temper tantrum in the middle of a restaurant without resorting to threats or bribery.
Not contribute to society because I’m a SAHM? I am a fucking superhero.
“They must have more androgen receptors than normal women to be so grating to the male sensibility. ”
*dies of laughter*
Also. dear Roissy: Citation needed. More androgen receptors where? And how exactly does this correlate to…having a career?
Re: Managing a house. This is a fuck-ton of work, particularly if there are kids involved. Two hours a day? Not if you’re responsible for all of the cooking, cleaning, shopping, and shuttling kids around. No where close. Ecoing Ami – “where the hell did you get shopping is 1 hour a week or cooking is 1 hour a day?” Yeeah. No. I do more than two hours of housework (on top of work-work) a week, and I’m only taking care of myself.
Tons of women are lazy? Moreso than men? Citation needed.
Oh, thanks, Nobinayamu and SallyStrange, for the stats. I SWEAR I was honestly planning to google for some when I typed that, but then I got distracted…
Anyway, it looks like Mr. Al spends a little over 3 hours per day on his own house chores. And that’s a college student who is only taking care of himself. So it’s easy to see how someone in a household of two people, or four, or six, would spend even more time, especially as the square footage of the area needing to be cleaned increases.
I kind of feel like venting about my own home life/chore situation, but I feel like such a stereotype when I talk about it. Let’s just say that the “(all) women are lazy/(all) men are strong and tireless workers!” thing does not hold up to reality, in my experience. Ah, but what MRM idea does!
Why would I get married anyway? I’m the most important person in my life, I’m not taking care of some idiot. It’s your fault if you marry someone and have to clean up after them.
On a previous thread, you brought up the fact that you want a girlfriend. So, if any woman you marry would be an idiot, doesn’t it follow that any woman you’d be in a relationship with would also be an idiot? You’d knowingly date an idiot?
I don’t understand people like you.
“I’m the most important person in
mylife”I think that’s a little more accurate to how you see things xD But even w/o that… that’s a v self aware observation of yourself :3 At least you understand that you shouldn’t marry somebody b/c you’re not right for it at this time (or maybe ever, it’s up to you) but it’s pretty aware to know that isn’t something that fits w/ your personality :]
Gringo MRAL: Are you saying you have actually DONE all these things?
Or are you wild ass guessing the time it takes in the same way you make up all the other crap you think you know?
Because having done all these and more for decades, in various locations (some places I had to walk to stores, some places drive), in places of various sizes, I call bullshit.
I think not many relationships are entered into with the expectation you’ll get married.
Yes, but you said any woman you married would be an idiot.
A wife, whether smart or idiotic, would presumably be a girlfriend first. By saying your hypothetical wife would be an idiot, aren’t you saying you’d have an idiotic girlfriend? Presumably, a smart girlfriend who you married would become a smart wife.
I’m not saying you should want to be married. I’m just trying to grasp the automatic assumption that you hypothetical wife would be an idiot. Do women suddenly become idiots when they get married? Are women idiots by their very nature, and it’s impossible to find a smart one? What’s the deal?
Also, do you like Gilbert and Sullivan?
MRAL, do you skip right past NWOslave’s comments? Or is Fuck MRAs only such an “unlikable piece of shit” because in this case you happen to be on the receiving end of the hatred?
It’s not very pleasant to be vocally hated for being part of a group, is it? I can empathize, and because of that empathy you can rest assured I will only ever dislike you because you’re a thoroughly unpleasant individual. 🙂
I don’t read NWOslave’s comments, they’re pretty much incomprehensible.
Pot, kettle; kettle, pot.
Nonsense! They’re comedy gold!
Maybe you should try being a conspiracy-addled creationist with literacy problems. It might make your posts less tedious.
okay I can’t take it anymore MRAL I’m 5’2.75 and African American so most guys I know are about 5″10 easy 5″8 at the shortest, however even as a guy I’ve never bitched about my height as much as you do. Dear fucking god, the reason you’re a virgin is because of the choices you made. Putting your focus solely on academics and not developing social skills. It sucks I know I did the same thing. Take some freaking responsibility about how your life turned out. I know guys who were shorter than average in HS 5″4 and 5″5 did fine dating wise, because they had social skills and chrisima, and most importantly looked as hot as the girls they were trying to get. I had chances when I got down to 126 and had a great body, spent two hours in the gym a day. I just lacked confidence because I lacked social skills, because of the BS notion in this society that they come naturally and that smart guys are natural loners. So yeah I get it, if you had the years back you’d do it differently. It’s not a good reason, because yeah you hate everyone, again been there, but a largely component of that hate is always self-directed. Let it go.
Yes, the idea that men evolved to provide for their families and women evolved to, I don’t know, sit around filing their nails out on the savanna bears no connection to reality. In the hunter-gatherer societies that exist today, women provide something like 90% of the food. The meat brought home by hunters is mostly valuable for social bonding and trade–which is important, but everyone would starve without women’s work.
As far as I can tell, the MRA concept of history goes something like this:
Prehistory. Was exactly like “The Flintstones,” except that in addition to driving around in foot-powered stone cars, men also hunted the mammoth to feed ungrateful women. Everyone ate nothing but mammoth. Women spent their time decorating caves, eating mammoth bon-bons (that is, bon-bons made from mammoth, not enormous bon-bons, as prehistoric women at least had the sense to keep their figures), and insufficiently appreciating men.
History. Not really clear on the details, but everything good (like the Renaissance and “Dilbert” cartoons) was entirely the work of men, and everything bad (like war) was technically done by men, but was really the fault of women for nagging the men into it. Women had it way too easy, as evidenced by the fact that you occasionally read about them being allowed outside.
The 1950s. The apex of human history. Was exactly like “Leave It to Beaver,” but without flawed men like that troublemaker Eddie Haskell. The purported existence of Eddie Haskell is a feminist lie. Everything was perfect except that women had somehow acquired the nefarious ability to do things like vote and read.
The 1970s. Feminism destroyed civilization. Exactly how feminism happened is unclear; women can’t have come up with it, since they’re too stupid to have ideas, so it must have been the work of some male traitor. A mysterious and troubling epoch.
1980s-Present. Civilization still being destroyed. Any day now.
The Future. Will be exactly like the “Mad Max” movies, except that women will not be allowed to work important jobs like running Bartertown and overseeing the battles in the Thunderdome. Women will feel so bad about destroying civilization that they will apologize constantly and give men lots of blow jobs. The new world order will be a barbaric land of chaos where brute force reigns supreme, so obviously the most successful men will be friendless computer engineers. They shall have many concubines, whom they will resent for sitting on their asses eating bon-bons all day.
If people hate me because I don’t put up with bigotry and lies, well then I really can’t think of a better reason to be hated.
To avoid criticism do nothing, say nothing, be nothing.
Elbert Hubbard
Frankly, I would think I was doing something wrong if douches like this didn’t hate me.