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Career women: A crime against nature?

She's trouble!

Quiz: Which of the following is an example of female infidelity? (Check all that apply.)

a)      A man and a woman are in a monogamous relationship; neither one sleeps with anyone else.

b)      A man and a woman are in a monogamous relationship; the man sleeps with someone else.

c)       A man and a woman are in a monogamous relationship; the woman sleeps with someone else.

d)      A woman, who may or may not be in a monogamous relationship, works hard at a job she enjoys.

ANSWER: If you answered c, congratulations! You are correct. If you also answered d, you are probably PUA guru and freelance internet asshole “Roissy” or one of his douchey fans. In a recent post Roissy argues, quite sincerely, that women who take their careers seriously are committing a sort of psycho-social-sexual crime against men.

In the post, Roissy quotes a reader of his who’d suggested that “female career obsession [is] a form of infidelity to the family and marrage.” Roissy seconds this opinion and goes on to argue that:

Women who place their careers front and center are committing a kind of betrayal of their sex’s biological and psychological imperatives. It’s like a big middle finger to everything that distinguishes the feminine from the masculine, the yin from the yang.

Is it possible that these women are just, you know, really into their careers? That they’re good at what they do and enjoy doing it? That they want to make a difference in the world? That they might have a family to support? Or that, you know, they simply like making a lot of money?

Of course not. For Roissy, careers are little more than psychological crutches for women who are 1) trying to distract themselves from loneliness and/or sexual boredom:

It’s quite possible that the worst offenders — the 14 hour day lawyercunts and the graduate school hermits — embrace the male-oriented rat race and achievement spectacle because it offers a welcome distraction from either spinsterly loneliness or boring beta male partners who, while intellectually are rationalized as good matches, do not viscerally excite them.

Or, 2) imagining themselves as the heroines in some glamorous romance novel:

Maybe, too, these careerist chicks see their jobs as a way to enter the world of the alpha male, to have a taste of what it would be like to be part of his life. The office cubes and doormen and glassy skyscrapers have given legions of plain janes the daily stimulation to mentally masturbate fantasy romances with the alpha males who run their companies or the alpha salesmen who greet them at the front desk with a twinkle in their eyes.

Or, 3) trying to magically ward off the case of the uglies that apparently infects each and every woman when she hits the age of 40:

When a woman’s SMV [Sexual Market Value] inevitably craters in her 40s, her career might be all she has to lift her spirits, especially if she has no husband she loves, no kids, or even just one kid who spends most of his time playing CoD or robbing convenience stores.

Of course, in Roissy’s mind, these women aren’t quite women to begin with, even before they get hit with the 40th birthday ugly stick:

 [T]here is something “off” about women who are excessively devoted to their careers and to obtaining an acronymic parade of pointless credentials. Careerist shrikes are some of the most unpleasant, unfeminine women to be around. They must have more androgen receptors than normal women to be so grating to the male sensibility. Sure, they can fuck like Viagra-laced male pornstars, but as soon as you relieve yourself in them you will feel a second powerful urge to escape their aggro nastiness.

Yeah, somehow I’m guessing that urge to flee is pretty strong in these women as well, as soon as they realize that they guy they’ve just had sex with is a pretentious narcissistic windbag who hates women.

Roissy continues, revealing far more about his own sexual insecurities than about any actual career women:

The women for whom career success is their comfort and their purpose are some sort of weird, monstrous amalgam of man and woman, halfway between both worlds, their sexual polarity askew. These types tend to attract either intense short term flings with alphas or plodding marriages with dweeby, effete kitchen bitches.

Roissy is vaguely aware that feminists – not to mention pretty much anyone who isn’t a complete douchebag misogynist – might have a few issues with his theories here.

The dumbfuck feminists will naturally ask, “Why doesn’t this same theory apply to men? Aren’t they escaping sad love lives by retreating to their careers?”

Don’t you know it’s different for guys? Unlike women, men are evolutionarily programmed to be resource providers for women. It is not a betrayal of a man’s innate purpose in life to ambitiously pursue achievement and accolades. In fact, just the opposite; it’s an affirmation of that ancient purpose.

Remember this, you ungrateful career ladies: WE HUNTED THE MAMMOTH TO FEED YOU!

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kirbywarp
kirbywarp
13 years ago

@Nobinayamu:

Sorta. Though I don’t think I made it right, judging from internet pictures. 😛 Do you know of a good/simple recipe I could try out? (The simple is more of a “well, I need to start somewhere” thing)

Also, if anyone wants to try to make pizza dough, this is the one I’ve been using.

http://simplyrecipes.com/recipes/homemade_pizza/

Just the dough portion. I once hosted a study break where we made a huge batch of dough, then had people choose toppings to put on. It was a lot of fun, made better by the fact that I actually have a pizza stone. ^__^ Not only is it useful for pizza, but it’s great for making crispy bread as well.

AWS
AWS
13 years ago

“I’m not going to risk the well being of the children I work with.:

Then you would resign as their leader. You referred to them as “my” which is a term abusers use. They are not yours. You do not own them and you should not be leading boys anywhere nor should you be responsible for their safety. I would have you removed. i am not the one leading 9 year olds anywhere. You are not fit to supervise children.

“he cooks for me”

Of course he does. feminists are lousy cooks. So what do you do for a living besides drink beer with kids?

No way did you read savethemales.ca as their is thousands of articles. http://www.rense.com/general61/freem.htm

Lyn
Lyn
13 years ago

As to why many working mums aren’t satisfied – I’d guess it has something to do with the fact that they often have to do LOTS more work (second shift of housework and childcare) than their male counterparts.

AWS
AWS
13 years ago

“none of the men at our family church”

Find another church.

kirbywarp
kirbywarp
13 years ago

Also? I love how, out of all the accusations AWS made (AWS, you haven’t responded to my critique of the article you cited. Do you still think it supports your case, and if so, do you think you should take some reading comprehension courses?), the cooking one is the one that led to this fun divergent conversation. I love this blog.

Nobinayamu
Nobinayamu
13 years ago

Lyn, not to counter your excellent points, but I’m guessing that most people are probably unsatisfied with their jobs.

kirbywarp
kirbywarp
13 years ago

@AWS:

“No way did you read savethemales.ca as their is thousands of articles.”

No way did you read feministe, for the same reason. So… what does that prove, eh? Also, stop with the lousy quoting. You quote the middle of a sentence, cutting out the context that would answer your accusation, like the cooking thing. Don’t tell me you’re adding “disgustingly dishonest” to your list of fine debating tactics?

How am I not suprised?

AWS
AWS
13 years ago

you were emailed that by mgtow kirby. read all makow’s articles. have you engaged in rectal sex? If so you are a sadist and a perfect candidate to help carry out false flag operations such as 9/11. please work with obongo and join him in his “basketball” workouts. i hear they are very oral.

AWS
AWS
13 years ago

“No way did you read feministe”

Skimmed the article titles and clicked on a few articles in each section. More so then you have feminist shill.

kirbywarp
kirbywarp
13 years ago

@AWS:

Wait, what? I get mgtow e-mails now? What the hell? Why wasn’t I informed of this?

Also, I don’t engage in anal sex. *shrug* But doing so doesn’t make you gay, and I cite the famous “doing your girlfriend in the ass” precident. You really don’t understand what homo (same) sexual means, do you?

Also, why exactly must I read all of your articles, when you clearly read none of mine, and don’t even read half of your own? Do I have to debunk every article you can drudge up before getting you to provide proof for your own assertion?

Lyn
Lyn
13 years ago

AWA – my partner and I bonded over cooking and sharing recipes. He was raised in an Italian household and knew lots of nifty stuff…and I love to bake and cook and he has been an avid appreciator of my baking in particular. We’ve learned how to be better cooks from one another. It has been a delicious experience. 🙂

And Kirby I’m trying to think of simple recipes and my brain just isn’t complying!

Ami Angelwings
13 years ago

I’ve eaten at thousands of restaurants by that logic xD I saw their restaurant sign! Sometimes I even skim the menus! xD

I should write restaurant reviews :3

kirbywarp
kirbywarp
13 years ago

@AWS:

Skimmed the article titles and clicked on a few articles in each section. At your makow site and at your nuthouse.. hoghouse? forum as well. Hooray. Are we even now?

AWS
AWS
13 years ago

“they often have to do LOTS more work (s”

I rarely see women put in 14 hour work days like men do routinely.

Lyn
Lyn
13 years ago

Sorry, AWS

kirbywarp
kirbywarp
13 years ago

@AWS:

Still giggling over this. I even directly linked to and summed up two of the articles at your makow website. More than you, you conspiratorial shill.

Nobinayamu
Nobinayamu
13 years ago

I am an excellent scout leader. I regularly attend meetings and training sessions. My certifications are all up to date with Boys Scouts of America. And as I’ve been doing it for more than 3 years now, I think they know more about whether or not I’m fit to lead, than you do. I was even given an award last spring by the council in my city.

Keep telling yourself that feminists can’t cook. I cook very well, and I’m a feminist, so you have to be wrong. My boyfriend and I cook for each other. I cook for him and he cooks for me. And it’s fantastic.

A family church is not a place that you just leave. It is our family church. My parents were married there, my sisters and I were all christened and baptized there, my grandmother is a deaconess, my grandfather -before he passed- was a deacon. As a child, I sang in the choir there, and both my parents have been scouting leaders for the troops based out of our church for more than 40 years combined. Now, I am not religious, but I have a tremendous amount of respect for family church both as an institution and as a part of our community.

There has never been any reason to find another church. Especially since it provides me such an excellent opportunity to be of service.

Ami Angelwings
13 years ago

i’m amused by the cutting off of the bracket there xD he’s almost becoming me w/ the meta awareness xD (Ami the infectious infects again! :3 )

Lyn
Lyn
13 years ago

How many women do you know, AWS?

AWS
AWS
13 years ago

But doing so doesn’t make you gay,

Sure does. It’s a sadistic ritual. You have shown you are completely brainwashed and a perfect candidate for government work especially in false flag operations.

Nobinayamu
Nobinayamu
13 years ago

Also, I read the Henry Makow essay on how all non-procreative, non-monogamous, heterosexual sex was essentially just homosexual sex. I disagree.

Ami Angelwings
13 years ago

619 comments! :3 the last thread that was near 1000 almost got to it but stopped short 🙁

this one looks good tho! 😀 we have awesome fertilizer here xD

Lyn
Lyn
13 years ago

Nobinayamu – totes. I was wondering how many working fathers are completely satisfied with their jobs but couldn’t be bothered looking it up. Between us we’ll make an UNBEATABLE argument…that AWS won’t understand anyway…

It’ll be fun though!

Ami Angelwings
13 years ago

i’m shocked he kept the L in there xD

kirbywarp
kirbywarp
13 years ago

@AWS:

Alright, give me a straight (snicker) answer, please. Does homosexual mean “having sex with somone of the same gender?” (Don’t get me started on sadistic rituals, go bug holly if you really need to get topped)

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