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Career women: A crime against nature?

She's trouble!

Quiz: Which of the following is an example of female infidelity? (Check all that apply.)

a)      A man and a woman are in a monogamous relationship; neither one sleeps with anyone else.

b)      A man and a woman are in a monogamous relationship; the man sleeps with someone else.

c)       A man and a woman are in a monogamous relationship; the woman sleeps with someone else.

d)      A woman, who may or may not be in a monogamous relationship, works hard at a job she enjoys.

ANSWER: If you answered c, congratulations! You are correct. If you also answered d, you are probably PUA guru and freelance internet asshole “Roissy” or one of his douchey fans. In a recent post Roissy argues, quite sincerely, that women who take their careers seriously are committing a sort of psycho-social-sexual crime against men.

In the post, Roissy quotes a reader of his who’d suggested that “female career obsession [is] a form of infidelity to the family and marrage.” Roissy seconds this opinion and goes on to argue that:

Women who place their careers front and center are committing a kind of betrayal of their sex’s biological and psychological imperatives. It’s like a big middle finger to everything that distinguishes the feminine from the masculine, the yin from the yang.

Is it possible that these women are just, you know, really into their careers? That they’re good at what they do and enjoy doing it? That they want to make a difference in the world? That they might have a family to support? Or that, you know, they simply like making a lot of money?

Of course not. For Roissy, careers are little more than psychological crutches for women who are 1) trying to distract themselves from loneliness and/or sexual boredom:

It’s quite possible that the worst offenders — the 14 hour day lawyercunts and the graduate school hermits — embrace the male-oriented rat race and achievement spectacle because it offers a welcome distraction from either spinsterly loneliness or boring beta male partners who, while intellectually are rationalized as good matches, do not viscerally excite them.

Or, 2) imagining themselves as the heroines in some glamorous romance novel:

Maybe, too, these careerist chicks see their jobs as a way to enter the world of the alpha male, to have a taste of what it would be like to be part of his life. The office cubes and doormen and glassy skyscrapers have given legions of plain janes the daily stimulation to mentally masturbate fantasy romances with the alpha males who run their companies or the alpha salesmen who greet them at the front desk with a twinkle in their eyes.

Or, 3) trying to magically ward off the case of the uglies that apparently infects each and every woman when she hits the age of 40:

When a woman’s SMV [Sexual Market Value] inevitably craters in her 40s, her career might be all she has to lift her spirits, especially if she has no husband she loves, no kids, or even just one kid who spends most of his time playing CoD or robbing convenience stores.

Of course, in Roissy’s mind, these women aren’t quite women to begin with, even before they get hit with the 40th birthday ugly stick:

 [T]here is something “off” about women who are excessively devoted to their careers and to obtaining an acronymic parade of pointless credentials. Careerist shrikes are some of the most unpleasant, unfeminine women to be around. They must have more androgen receptors than normal women to be so grating to the male sensibility. Sure, they can fuck like Viagra-laced male pornstars, but as soon as you relieve yourself in them you will feel a second powerful urge to escape their aggro nastiness.

Yeah, somehow I’m guessing that urge to flee is pretty strong in these women as well, as soon as they realize that they guy they’ve just had sex with is a pretentious narcissistic windbag who hates women.

Roissy continues, revealing far more about his own sexual insecurities than about any actual career women:

The women for whom career success is their comfort and their purpose are some sort of weird, monstrous amalgam of man and woman, halfway between both worlds, their sexual polarity askew. These types tend to attract either intense short term flings with alphas or plodding marriages with dweeby, effete kitchen bitches.

Roissy is vaguely aware that feminists – not to mention pretty much anyone who isn’t a complete douchebag misogynist – might have a few issues with his theories here.

The dumbfuck feminists will naturally ask, “Why doesn’t this same theory apply to men? Aren’t they escaping sad love lives by retreating to their careers?”

Don’t you know it’s different for guys? Unlike women, men are evolutionarily programmed to be resource providers for women. It is not a betrayal of a man’s innate purpose in life to ambitiously pursue achievement and accolades. In fact, just the opposite; it’s an affirmation of that ancient purpose.

Remember this, you ungrateful career ladies: WE HUNTED THE MAMMOTH TO FEED YOU!

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Plymouth
Plymouth
10 years ago

As in, ya know, I have exactly as much reason to claim anti-feminists are masochists as AWS does to claim feminists are sadists. I.E. jack shit.

Trying to argue with my “logic” just makes it less funny 🙁

Plymouth
Plymouth
10 years ago

My joke is ruined. Ruined!! *takes my toys and goes home*

Well, ok, to bed, since I hafta be awake for a telecon in 6 hours 🙂

ClioPersephone
ClioPersephone
10 years ago

Guys I was out of town for the weekend but this was a pleasant surprise to find when I got back! Great job owning the trolls apparent Zionists!

I too cast a vote for “Troll Trek: Deep Space Whine.”

Pecunium
10 years ago

Well… I don’t think AWS is here for the debate…

denelian
denelian
10 years ago

isn’t there a Star Trek based CCG? i know there’s a Star Wars one, and a Vampire one – there MUST be a Star Trek one.

and if there is, then we can have Troll Trek CCG – that is, if Ami feels up to the challenge after she’s finished Magyc:The Gendering 😀

what’d’ya say, Ami? it could be fun – and OBVIOUSLY, feminists are the Borg!

Ami Angelwings
10 years ago

There is a Star Trek CCG xD There’s a CCG of pretty much nething xD (esp after Magyc xD )

Ami Angelwings
10 years ago

After I finish Magyc: The Gendering and all the lawsuits that will inevitably follow? xD Sure. XD

Johnny Pez
10 years ago

@ Ami

The trolls will have to be the Federation/Bajorans, and David of course must be Gul Davekot. Kai Winn ought to be a feminist, though — perhaps Holly.

Ami Angelwings
10 years ago

So David and Holly become lovers? o_O

denelian
denelian
10 years ago

i *THOUGHT* there was a Star Trek CCG – it’s just been a loooooooooong time since i’ve paid any attention to them.

so YAY!!! there shall be *NOT* lawsuits about Magyc:The Gendering – it’s a parody and allowed for that very reason!

*dances* yay!!!!!!!

[i’m goofy ATM, what can i say – again, i needs sleep 🙂 ]

♥ Ami!

tatjna
tatjna
10 years ago

Roissy is a middle-aged David Hasselhoff wannabe with a gigantic chip on his shoulder, and his ‘techniques’ seem to be inspired almost entirely by the fear that a woman will inevitably leave him (because he is a dick), and the misguided idea that the only way to keep a woman interested is to destroy her self-esteem so that she ‘needs’ him.

Nuff said.

Yaz
Yaz
10 years ago

I just finished reading all the comments on this thread and I wanted to thank everyone involved. But especially Ami and Kirby. You guys rock. 😀 This was art. I’ve never seen a troll so deftly played with and discarded.

AWS
AWS
10 years ago

I just finished reading all the comments on this thread and I wanted to thank AWS aka The Fact. He rocks. 😀 This was art. I’ve never seen a trolls Ami and Kirby so deftly played with and discarded.

kirbywarp
kirbywarp
10 years ago

I just finished reading AWS aka The Fact’s comment on this thread and I wanted to thank Yaz. You rock. 😀 This was art. I’ve never seen immitative mocking so deftly formulated and delivered.

denelian
denelian
10 years ago

somehow, AWS, your attempt to re-write Yaz’s comment was even MORE inept than your previous attempts at whatever it was you were trying to do here. and here i thought you’d be good at NOTHING – but as it turns out, you’re quite skilled at being even worse than you were before; a rare and poigant talent.

kirbywarp
kirbywarp
10 years ago

… I swear that made sense in my head…

kirbywarp
kirbywarp
10 years ago

Hmm… Pretend I was praising the resulting three-comment spiel, and that AWS went first. That should solve it. Now that I’ve utterly destroyed your faith in me, Yaz, you may take back your praise. 😐

@AWS:

So, what new wonders do you bring to us today? Or is this just a drive-by hating? I swear, you’re getting more sadistic every day…

Bee
Bee
10 years ago

I want him to cut and paste every single comment on this thread, rewritten in praise of himself.

kirbywarp
kirbywarp
10 years ago

@Bee

“So, what new wonders do you bring to us today? Or is this just a drive-by hating? I swear, you’re getting more sadistic every day…”

So, what new wonders do you bring to us today? Or is this just a brief glimpse of your unarguable genius? I swear, you’re getting more handsome and manly every day…

“I want him to cut and paste every single comment on this thread, rewritten in praise of himself.”

I want him to cut and paste every single comment on this thread, rewritten to point out the many fallacies and contradictions they must contain.

“I just finished reading all the comments on this thread and I wanted to thank AWS aka The Fact. He rocks. 😀 This was art. I’ve never seen a trolls Ami and Kirby so deftly played with and discarded.”

No change. It’s perfect as it is.

kirbywarp
kirbywarp
10 years ago

How much do you wanna bet that AWS is going through the whole thread right now, looking for good ones to convert? Post them one at a time, dude, we need to get this thread past 1000!

Bee
Bee
10 years ago

Here’s the first four. AWS, didn’t I already tell you I’m sick of doing your work for you?

So, in his ideal world, what are women who are not marriage material supposed to do, exactly?

So, in his ideal world, what are women who are not marriage material supposed to do, exactly? We have a hard enough time as it is, not being able to date untouchable god AWS. God he’s awsome. Excuse me while I go cry.

This guy is what, 80 years old?

This guy is what, not as cool as AWS?

Commit hari-kari, apparently.

What gets to me is that the MRA’s don’t get the hypocrisy of 1) claiming that all women are golddigging whores, and 2) condemning any woman who earns a good living.

Commit hari-kari, apparently. Since we can’t date AWS, I mean.

What gets to me is that Ami and Kirbywarp don’t get the hypocrisy of 1) claiming that all women aren’t golddigging whores, and 2) condemning any woman who doesn’t earn a good living. Hoo boy. AWS sure showed them.

This post is proof once again that MRA/PUA’s contempt for women is equaled only by their dim view of men.

My marriage, in which my wife works full-time, while I work part-time and take care of our kids the rest of the time, must seem like some sort of hellish feminist dystopia to them. Oddly enough, we like it just fine.

Well, maybe not “just fine;” we’d prefer it if we could both get away with working part time, so as to have more time with our kids. Can’t have everything, I guess.

This post is proof once again that AWS’s brilliance is equaled only by his amazingness and also women’s dim view of men.

My marriage would be a lot better if I were married to AWS. Oddly enough.

Well, maybe not “a lot better.” A hell of a lot better. Man, that guy rocks.

Molly Ren
10 years ago

Bee, I’m giving you an Internet. What color do you want it in? 😀

Pecunium
10 years ago

AWS opened his maw and You are not part of the solution kirby. You are a time waster although this thread is entertaining. i don’t care at all about you. I don’t care about your life. I don’t care about your success or failure. i believe you are a sadist and feminist and my posts will reflect that. Quit acting like a cry baby and deal with it feminist pig.

i am off to meet some very kind adult female non-feminists. came echoing from the caverns.

So… AWS, you care so little about Kirby that you came back to play with him again.

Is there something you want to tell us? Is it possible you do care about him and the story about the rendezvous with the, “very kind, adult female non-feminists” was just an attempt to make him jealous when he didn’t respond to your flirtations?

You can tell us. It will be our little secret.

kirbywarp
kirbywarp
10 years ago

@Pecunium:

I tried to point that out earlier, quoting his “What do you produce? How did you vote? blah blah blah” stuff. He seems to care an awful lot about my life, including my stance on marriage and energy. The point, as with nearly everything we say to him, seems to have sailed right past.

kirbywarp
kirbywarp
10 years ago

Also, sadly I think the gray wore off, so if AWS was frustrated at my lack of response, he’ll have to remain forever so.

Yaz
Yaz
10 years ago

You should be flattered (or something) Kirby. This guy is planning an entire business model that will decide how bad he fails in life, all based on his conversation with you. And he did lavish you with compliment, at least in the beginning, by saying you were the only one of us sadistic feminazi manhater/manginas to know how to do research…by posting up the links to massive archives that were only marginally relevant. And even after flouncing he’s come back for you. That’s something special, man.

Flattered or creeped out. Either way, this could have a fairytale/CSI ending!

Also @ AWS ‘I’ve never seen a troll[s] Ami and Kirby so deftly played with and discarded.’

You’re right. I’ve never seen a troll which Ami and Kirby dealt with so beautifully. You epically failed at re-writing that to your advantage. In fact, aside from turning it into an awkward word-salady mess by adding a plural after a singular article, it still means the same thing…and is mocking you. So I suppose you just schooled yourself, at your expense, and now have more people laughing at you. Go you! Don’t give up now, AWS! You can still turn this around! Remember, you’ve got thousands of friends at theghostparty backing you up! *snicker*

denelian
denelian
10 years ago

Yaz;

i tried to say that, but you made it make sense! can i sit at your feet and learn from you?!?!

i’m just goofy – meds kicking in 🙂

Yaz
Yaz
10 years ago

I like goofy. I can totally respect goofy. Being goofy myself seems to preclude me from being taken seriously as any type of guru. More’s the pity. But one day I’d like to try, damn it! *shakes fist at air*

AWS
AWS
10 years ago

“So, in his ideal world, what are women who are not marriage material supposed to do, exactly?”

Bow down to the AWS aka The Fact in humble servitude.

We have a hard enough time as it is, not being able to date untouchable God AWS. He’s AWSome. Excuse me while I get wet in his AWSome presence.

“This guy is what, not as cool as AWS?”

Few can match the coolness of AWS. Many have died trying.

What gets to me is that the anti-feminists get the fact that 1) claiming that all women are gold digging whores, and 2) condemning any woman who earns a good living is righteous.

“Commit hari-kari, apparently. Since we can’t date AWS, I mean.”

Or just be a cool anti-feminist female with natural boobs.

What gets to me is that Ami and Kirbywarp get the hypocrisy of 1) claiming that all women aren’t golddigging whores, and 2) condemning any woman who doesn’t earn a good living.AWS sure showed them.

This post is proof once again that kirby’s contempt for women is equaled only by his dim view of men.

Feminsts must seem like some sort of hellish feminist dystopia to them. Obviously, we like it just fine.

“This post is proof once again that AWS’s brilliance is equaled only by his amazingness and also women’s dim view of men.”

True dat.

“My marriage would be a lot better if I were married to AWS.”

You are not worthy.

” A hell of a lot better. Man, that guy rocks.”

More then you can fathom with your pea sized rotten feminist brain.

AWS
AWS
10 years ago

“Any thoughts?”

Start an AWSome thread but be prepared to be razzed and don’t cry like a feminist baby when I mock you personally David.

kirbywarp
kirbywarp
10 years ago

@AWS:

Err, hi, AWS. Kirbywarp here. Umm, don’t get me wrong, you’ve been doing great work so far, and I’m really proud to see a troll still kicking with absolutely zero sense of irony and all.. But I think you’re slipping a little. Half of your post doesn’t make sense as read, and you seem to be quoting another poster about women and say it reflects my attitude towards men… Perhaps you could slowly bring your posting back to reality? A little bit? I’m sure an awesome guy like you could manage to make hilarious posts that also are coherent. Ok? Thanks.

AWS
AWS
10 years ago

“adding a plural after a singular article”

I know I have a grammar checker slave (you) here to check my posts. Go back and read all my posts slave. I know the grammar errors get your goat. There is also another grammar error in that post so see if you can find it slave.

“You’re right. I’ve never seen a troll (and sadist kitby) which AWS dealt with so beautifully.”

Aw shucks.

kirbywarp
kirbywarp
10 years ago

@AWS:

Better, interesting that you’re calling people slaves now. You even got the grammar right in your second “quote.” Bravo, and carry on. XD

AWS
AWS
10 years ago

“you came back to play”

Want to see the thread reach 1,000 mostly and you clowns have been reduced to ashes. Feminism equals sadism. You dolts can’t have a serious discussion so I am using your language to mock you. I provided all the links needed to support my contention that feminism is sadism. I told you the keywords of psychopaths and criminals. Kirby is a non-factor here. He has little in the way of facts. He almost no research. He had a grand total of one valid post early on where he summarized my views. The rest has been pablum.

Yaz
Yaz
10 years ago

‘see if you can find it slave. ‘ -aws

It’s amusing when the dancing monkey troll who keeps rising to the bait offered to it starts thinking he’s got a say in things. XD

*Bangs on the bars a little more*

Dance monkey, dance!

AWS
AWS
10 years ago

“He almost no research.”

He produces almost no research due to his poor reading comprehension level. So now I have to find my own errors? Where is my grammar slave? Slacker.

AWS
AWS
10 years ago

You know it’s nice to have a free secretary to point out my grammar errors. Normally I have to pay someone (usually a pretty female) to check my grammar. So I have two slaves here. Kirby the sadist and Yaz the grammar lackey although Yaz has missed a few blatant grammar errors so I will have to dock his pay. Oh wait, Yaz the grammar slut works for free. .

Yaz
Yaz
10 years ago

Is it embarrassing to have your poor level of reading comprehension pointed out? So much so that you need to lash out impotently? And the fact that you tried to mock someone and made yourself look even more uneducated? Or are you oblivious to it?

Keep dancing, aws. I’m sure I’m not the only one who finds it hilarious.

*tosses a cracker to the dancing monkey troll*

Here’s some cymbals. You can make more noise that way.

AWS
AWS
10 years ago

How about a thread called Q&A with AWSome David? I will mock all respondents except anti-feminists. each week you can ask me a question. I may or may not answer it. depends on how much time I have to school you feminist dweebs.

darksidecat
10 years ago

“Feminism equal sadism.” You keep using that word. I no think it means what you think it means.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/feminism
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/sadism

AWS
AWS
10 years ago

“Is it embarrassing to have your high level of reading comprehension pointed out?”

No, i am ok with that.

“made yourself look even more educated”

Grammar checkers are the assembly line workers at shoe plants. Not very bright.

Fact is I have made you my slave. Your obsessively check my grammar because macro and social economic concepts escape you.

AWS
AWS
10 years ago
Yaz
Yaz
10 years ago

Obsessively = once (in the world of an aws.)

That’s the second time it has accused someone of being obsessive after they’ve done something once. It accused Kirby of obsessively using all caps after Kirby emphasized one word in one post. Now I’m obsessively correcting grammar after I pointed out how epically this dancing troll fails at language and mocking.

‘“Feminism equal sadism.” You keep using that word. I no think it means what you think it means.’ – darksidecat

This particular troll has very poor language comprehension. As it demonstrated again and again.

AWS
AWS
10 years ago

Sometime I make grammar errors on purpose to rile up my slaves.

Did you catch the error yaz the grammar slave? It’s supposed to be “sometimes” I make grammar errors on purpose to rile up my slaves.

Ami Angelwings
10 years ago

He’s rly flailing isn’t he xD Desperately trying to recover indeed xD

It also amuses me how he’s trying to be like me now XD except in his case the world doesn’t actually revolve around him XDDD

But then, I guess you gotta try, if you want to be half as awesome as teh Ami xD

He’s just upset by how bad Kirby made him look here XD and he’s desperately, fruitlessly scrambling to regain some semblance of dignity XD

I predict a hilarious “NO YOU ARE!” and “EVERYBODY PAY ATTN TO ME!” swing at teh Rodeo Cat XDDDD

AWS
AWS
10 years ago

“Now I’m obsessively correcting grammar”

Good to read you admit your obsessive/compulsive disorder feminist grammar slave.

AWS
AWS
10 years ago

““NO YOU ARE!” and “EVERYBODY PAY ATTN TO ME!””

Said the shouting feminist who can’t help but use all caps to be loud and obnoxious.

Yaz
Yaz
10 years ago

And good of you to admit how epically and ridiculously you fail, aws.

We’re all winners!

XD