Scott Adams: Self-proclaimed Misunderstood Genius, Part XVIII

I HATE that Meebo thing. I went there to try to see if I could figure it out, Fuck MRAs, but no. I could not. It’s fitting that such an annoying man would have such an annoying feature on his blog.

(To be clear, I got rid of the bar at the bottom of the page, but not the one that pops up when you highlight text.)

Anyway, the argument with MaryElizabeth has been updated, with Scott Adams finally running out of Brilliant Genius fuel. Too bad I agree with MaryElizabeth on most points. I have been informed that makes me batshit crazy.

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Okay! Finally got Ozy to work in a way that isn’t impractical for use :3

Sure! :3

I need to go to sleep. I wanted to thank people for responding thoughtfully and fairly to my story and not kicking me out of the club for being a rapist. I didn’t really think that would happen, but I was still nervous. Actually, I got better responses here than to the version I posted in my livejournal – barely anyone responded to it there.

goodnight all!

Here’s the basic background to the MTG set btw (put together thru various IMs w/ friends so I apologize if there are spelling or grammatical/capitalization mistakes)

In the beginning, the White Shaft created man and then woman to give man company. Men and women were created equal but different, and there was a balance. But because of those differences, equality was not always evident to men who excelled at the arts most needed for human survival and advancement: science, invention, warfare, the hunt. Centuries passed and men began to believe they did not need women and began to enslave then, abuse them and the balance was lost. Many women cried out at this injustice and their pleas eventually manifested itself as an entity: The Darknyss, created from their anger, their suffering and their hatred.

Eventually, the Darknyss gained sentience, and with it a twisted understanding of humanity and the world: men were evil and destructive, and women needed to be saved from them. It was with this hateful and destructive motivation, that it lashed out, possessing and infusing women with great power and enhancing their hate and bitterness.

War ensued with horrible abominations and warriors for both sides being created: Alpha Males… Sexbots… Andrea Dworkin… and in the ensuing struggle men realized that they were incomplete without women and women realized that they were incomplete without men. Together, they realized their proper roles, men as protectors, inventors, warriors, women as caretakers, child rearers and lovers, and sealed the Darknyss away. The balance was restored.

A period of prosperity and unparalleled technological and scientific growth ensued, with women in their proper role and men in theirs.. but the Darknyss festered. Despite that the conditions of it’s birth were gone, it’s purpose and dark hatred remained and it slowly extended it’s hate-filled tendrils back into the world, corrupting, manipulating, seducing.

A thousand years pass, until it’s influence is everywhere… and nowhere. Despite, or perhaps because of it’s comfortable complacency, society begins to chafe against its foundations, foundations built by the blood, sweat and tears of noble men and gentle women. Wives turn against husbands, mothers against sons. Famine and sickness begin to sweep the land, creating poverty, frustration, and with it hatred, envy and anger.

Men who would have accepted their failures and worked harder to overcome them begin to feel resentment and bitterness. Some sought out the Darknyss for a short and easy route to power and revenge, others merely allowed themselves to be manipulated by it. Women who used to be content raising a new generation of noble artisans, engineers, physicians, scientists and warriors, became deluded into believing that they could fill such roles. Many turned on their husbands and fathers, blaming them for their plight. Others acted on their unnatural desires and pursued those disciplines fervently, and upon failure to reach those goals, betrayed humankind and pledged their souls and allegiances to the Darknyss.

Sister turned on brother. Queens betrayed Kings. Women lay with women. Men with men. Kingdoms split, and kingdoms fell. Only a brave few remembered the old ways and stood for the White Shaft. Betrayal was rampant. Darknyss reigned… the Second Gender War was about to begin.

I had an awkward argument on an asexuality board with a gal who insisted “rape is never about sex.” I just do not believe in absolute statements like that. I’m sure there are situations where someone is so horny and has swallowed that idea of, “an erection is a fatal and yet curable condition” or that all men always want sex. Power and dominance are part of it but may not mentally enter into it. Sometimes a rapist really just doesn’t think he (or rarely she) is a rapist. And in that case, I would say it’s all about sex.

Just my two cents.

FuckMRAs: Re the question of credibility. The way you phrased your initial comment rubbed me the wrong way, because you didn’t say it hurt their credibility with you, but just that it hurt their credibility.

I can see the point in not engaging with nitwits. One only has so much energy/focus, and the fools who are beyond persuasion may not be worth your time.

But I agree with Kirby, someone has to address it, otherwise it’s like bias crimes. The lack of condemnation is seen as the support of the silent majority. That feeds on itself, because the people who disagree, but are unwilling to say so, feel they are alone in their disagreement.

I don’t want you to go away. I don’t think you are trolling.

Plymouth: Speaking as someone who was in a related position to the one yuo describe (parther who didn’t want to take no for an answer). It seems it was a rape.

Is all rape completely non-sexual? No. And I’d say that a one off, in which the person who committed it realised they’d gone too far and never wanted to do it again was probably as much about the sex as it was about validation/power/not-being rejected (and please believe me when I say I am not attempting to impute any of those motives to you).

I do think there is more to it than just the sex.

When I was a lot younger, and lot less aware of what it was I was doing, my girlfriend wouldn’t take no for an answer. If it had been a one-time thing I’d say it was about the sex. If it had been a sometime thing, I’d say it was about more than just the control.

But it was a constant. If she was in the mood, nothing was going to make her give up on the idea of fucking except fucking. It got to the point I stopped trying to tell her when I wasn’t in the mood.

Very shortly after that we broke up. No, Shortly after it got to that point I broke up with her. She later told me she was planning to break up with me after the Faire started, because she figured I’d be able to find another girlfriend (or at least someone to comfort me) in short order.

We broke up in Feb. The Faire didn’t start until April.

It wasn’t about the sex. 25 years later and I’m still touchy about saying no. It was a problem with one of my partners, because she’d been raped, and I talked to her about it, and then she got the idea that any lack of interest on my part meant she had to stop being interested. That’s not the case. I think in an ongoing relationship there is room for persuasion, discussion. There are times I’m not, “really” in the mood, but I can be, “enough” in the mood.

I am willing to give my partners permission to initiate sexual contact with me when I’m sleeping, with the understanding that I may wake up and be not in the mood; and that’s not a violation of my autonomy.

So yes, I think there can be occasions, where the aggressor is interested, primarily in the sex, but is a special circumstance and subset.

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Re the guy who wants her to be into him, and can’t believe she isn’t: I think that is about control. It’s about controlling his internal narrative. He’s lying to himself when he thinks she’s that into him, but not have sex would give credence to the lie, and that’s not acceptable.

Is he parsing it out that way? No. But I do think it’s a major part of the motivation. I also don’t think that is what was going on in your case; because you say you felt remorse for it, and you realised what had happened.

This is some icing on the cake: To the women who are not batshit crazy, and fortunately that is most of you, I apologize for any lack of clarity on my part was deemed offensive. I’m reasonably sure we agree on all of the important stuff.

Yep… if you disagree with him, and are a woman… you are “Batshit crazy,” tossed in with a bit of marginalisation (i.e. most women understand what he really meant.

What a titty-baby.

I know 2 men who have been sexually assaulted or raped by women. Both circumstances point to it being about control moreso than sex “per se.”

I’m not overly keen to share the basic outline sketch details, but would if someone had a legit reason for being interested.

I don’t have a hard-line stance re. engaging or not engaging idiots, but I will say that when given the chance to engage, Scott Adams does a fine job of marginalizing hisownself.

Is this like Row Row Row your boat? xD