Good news, ladies and manginas: Apparently some MRAs don’t think it’s time to go out and start shooting people. At least not quite yet.
Some background: In recent days numerous MRAs have taken up the cause of a man named Thomas Ball – who burned himself to death outside a courthouse in Keane, New Hampshire in a protest against what he saw as unfair treatment in family court. Ferdinand Bardamu of In Male Fide has declared him “a martyr for the cause of men’s rights, a casualty of feminism’s stripping one half of the population of their humanity.”
Before killing himself, Ball wrote a long manifesto outlining his grievances and suggesting that the time had come for men “to start burning down police stations and courthouses,” describing the inhabitants of such buildings as “[c]ollaborators who are no different than the Vichy of France or the Quislings of Norway during the Second World War … So burn them out. “ (He offered specific advice on how best to do this, including tips on how to select the proper bottles to use for Molotov cocktails.)
All this has inspired some in the MRA to start talking ominously about violence. On The Spearhead, W.F. Price has responded to this talk with a piece suggesting that the time isn’t quite right for the MRAs of the world to take up armed struggle. Not just yet, anyway. As he puts it:
It is never a good idea to pick up a gun and start shooting to address some vaguely defined injustice — that is savagery. Before the American Revolution, for example, patriots took pains to spell out a long list of grievances that justified rebellion. …
We have to make our own lists, air our grievances, and give the state the opportunity to redress them. … Before anyone resorts to the same methods the state uses against us, we must put every reasonable effort into working with the law and the political system we have. Because this effort is still in its infancy, any calls for armed resistance are entirely premature and counterproductive, and shouldn’t be taken seriously.
Obviously, the flip side of this argument for delay is a justification for killing people if these “grievances” aren’t dealt with in the way that those in the MRA would like. Price’s reference to the American Revolution is an interesting one, because of course the central issue of that struggle was, you know, taxation without representation. The colonists couldn’t vote out the king if they didn’t like his policies. In case anyone has forgotten: we actually do have the vote now, which was kind of the whole point in the first place.
Of course, many of Price’s readers are a bit more impatient than he is. In a comment that drew (last I checked) more than 40 upvotes and only two dissenting downvote, Taqman took issue with Price’s call to delay the armed struggle:
Tell that to men who are facing imminent imprisonment for failure to pay child support.
They don’t have the luxury of time and can’t wait a couple of decades for the manginas of the world to wake up and decide that a gentlemanly form of armed resistance is now acceptable.
The ironically named Firepower, meanwhile, took a little swipe at Ball’s own actions, but didn’t challenge his advice for the rest of the men of the world:
What IS crazy is having to point out that setting YOURSELF on fire is a ridiculous way to “win” anything.
Set your enemies on fire. To even have to remind this questions the long term chances of victory for such a pathetic lot.
Jean Valjean suggested that political action was pointless — due to all those damned women who vote:
No amount of “stoic logic” will make politicians see our point of view.
Politicians are in the business of getting re-elected rather than the business of good governance. So long as women are the majority there will only be tyranny of the majority.
Peter-Andrew:Nolan(c) — you knew we were getting to him, right? — expressed his profound disappointment that more Spearheaders weren’t willing to embrace a violent solution:
Gee you guys are whimps and tiptoe around the ‘use of force’ like freaking ballet dancers. Are you so scared to speak about this when it is CLEAR the guvment LOVES using force against you and lots of other people too?
And he made the argument personal, explicitly denouncing, by name, the judge he claimed had “criminally abused” him with his rulings:
Judge [name redacted’s] life is now in my hands. He lives by my consent and my consent alone. …
And, like Ball, he declared judges to be essentially treasonous:
These judges pretended to be your servants. They are evil, evil people who deserve the kind of treatment reserved for those who commit treason.
There is more to Nolan’s comment(s) than that, but to get into it would require going down the rabbit-hole into his particular brand of crackpottery, which seems to involve him setting up his own courts to try judges he doesn’t like. (I frankly don’t understand his belief system and don’t care to.)
Now, it should be noted that a few Spearheaders actually objected to Nolan’s violent talk. But the last I checked, the comment I just quoted had more upvotes than downvotes. W.F. Price took more flak for suggesting men wait a little longer before taking up arms than Nolan did for, well, you saw what he wrote. That tells you a lot about The Spearhead, I think.
EDIT: Added quote from Ferdinand Bardamu; removed similar quote from The Spearhead.
Order of the Solar Temple (1994 mass suicide in Switzerland) – no yoga mentioned
Branch Davidians (David Koresh faction) – no yoga mentioned.
Well, all your examples to the contrary simply prove Emcee’s point. I’m sure he’ll show up soon to explain why.
OT: The vapidity of Susan Walsh has already been covered by Pandagon, amongst others, http://pandagon.net/index.php/search/results/d27d147fd5126e812f734246a0312cc6/.
And of course, the newspaper article I linked to shows that The Crack Emcee was wrong to imply that I (and other posters) had made up the story about Ball hitting his four-year-old daughter multiple times (she said “a lot”; he said three) and bleeding as a result. He’s shown a great concern that people apologize for their misreadings of his words. It’s odd that there’s not been any sort of apology or clarification about his mistakes.
Just to be fair, I did a google search for “yoga cults” and this is what I found:
Raelians – may practice yoga
Unification Church (Moonies) – may practice yoga
There are also many, many different schools of yoga that have all been labeled “cults” at one time or another, probably by rival schools of yoga. But the two names that kept coming up were: Dahn Yoga and Shaja Yoga. These, according to multiple and credible sources, appear to be bona fide cults.
So yeah, that’s FOUR WHOLE CULTS out of thousands in the world, that practice yoga.
Furthermore, saying that studying yoga leads to cult membership is like saying taking vitamin supplements leads to Scientology.
Why do I feel like it’s my magic cards that’s the reason he showed up to start screaming at us xD since apparently he doesn’t rly want to talk about nething other than cults… it seems like he wasn’t here to scream at feminists, he was screaming at us for doing new age stuff like magic cards and this meant we were trying to get ppl into a cult or something xD
@Ami re: magyc (still haven’t caught up on last night’s thread) but I wanted to have super powers of not seeing dirt/not vacuuming/not cleaning bathrooms, or something. I forget why we were talking about it, but that was the inspiration. And call me AJ on my card – it’s my superhero name! 😉
Yes, truly if there’s one flaw of the present political system, it is that men are underrepresented.
You guys are such amateurs. What I’m starting to find funny – yes, funny! – is how badly you want to prove me wrong. Where does that impulse come from? (Remember at the beginning of all this, when I told Pec I didn’t have to look him up? No impulse to “get him” while he went batshit crazy on me. I’m still trying to decide if you’re really an evil group or just weird. I know you do evil things, but that’s not enough for me: ignorance can make people do evil things,…)
You guys really don’t have it in you to ask a question, do you? Go back to my last post and look at the comments – not one person can say, “Crack, what do you mean?” or “Will you explain this?” – no, instead you offer your own, extremely limited, outlooks and decide you’re right (including Miss Ditzy Angelwings thinking her fucking cards brought me here – hilarious: Honey, thinking is NOT your strong suit, which, BTW, is why you have the cards,…) By now, I would’ve thought you could understand that just because there’s a group of you – almost a cult of sorts – you can’t win against me on my topics of expertise. And guess what?
If I wanted to know something on your topic of expertise, I’d ask!
There’s a song by the group Laibach, called F.I.A.T.. You can find it here:
http://www.themachoresponse.com/crackMC/wordpress/?p=1713
These are the lyrics:
You are in black darkness and confusion. You have been hugger-muggered, and carom-shotted into a war, and you know nothing about it. You know nothing about the forces that caused it, or you know next to nothing. You ought not to be in this war. You cannot win this war.
That’s how I feel talking to you guys. I say “cult” and you guys run to every major name-brand outfit that’s ever made the news, when cultism has moved so far beyond that shit you practically wouldn’t recognize it. As a matter of fact, I know you wouldn’t. I’d even be willing to put money down that somebody reading this – a regular on this blog – is involved with a cult and doesn’t know it. (Miss Ditzy Angelwings is a prime candidate.) How do I know this? BECAUSE CULTS DON’T ADVERTISE THEMSELVES AS CULTS. Think about it:
You can’t get Tom Cruise to claim he’s in a cult – or Scientology to say it is one – and it’s known as “the world’s most dangerous cult.”
I, on the other hand, can spot a cult a mile away – look:
http://themachoresponse.blogspot.com/2009/08/san-francisco-cafe-gratitude-and.html
Check the dates, kids, I didn’t just mark that up real quick to prove a point. Do you think my black ass has endorsements from doctors, lawyers, psychologists, and others because I DON’T know what I’m talking about? Shit, Ann Coulter has a new book out called “Demonic” that I’m thinking of contacting her about, because she’s barely scratching the surface of cultism, groupthink, mob culture, etc. and talks about it like a rookie. (And, BTW, there’s both a book and a comic book coming out about me, so y’all will get it one way or another.)
Anyway, if you ask kindly, I’ll be glad to fill you guys in on anything you want to know – that’s my job. I actually came to tell you about today’s totally gullible news report – check it out:
Meditation cuts heart attack risk by half!!!!!
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/health/healthnews/8600889/Meditation-can-cut-heart-attacks-by-as-much-as-half.html
Believe that shit and you’ll believe anything,…
Dance, Educator Troll, dance!!!
Uh, thanks for stopping by, it’s been real.
“Uh, thanks for stopping by, it’s been real.”
Surreal, even.
“Surreal, even.”
Too true.
Dude. First you tell us to “Find a bunch of cults, or cult-related deaths, and see if they engaged in/endorsed yoga.”
And when we do exactly that, proving you wrong, you move the goalposts and say we only looked up the “major name-brand cults that made the news.” Well, yeah, when a bunch of people kill themselves all at once, it tends to make the news. A bunch of people quietly meditating in the forest=not news.
Then you say we “practically wouldn’t recognize” a real cult. So why’d you tell us to look them up? I believe you even said it would be “easy.” Yep, it was easy to find the major cults that killed people. Why don’t they count?
Go hunt witches, you’re a very boring troll.
Hey, David – except for this thread, I still haven’t had a chance to check out your place. Before I do, I’d like to ask (!) what am I going to find?
Is this really a site against misogyny or are you one of those lame misandrists who calls any man putting his dick in a woman’s mouth a hater? (They like that kind of thing, y’know.)
The fact that you – a man – use that particular picture of a woman riding a cock doesn’t leave me with a lot of hope about what I’m going to find elsewhere,….what are you thinking?
@Crack:
Woo hoo. You’ve investigate cultism. Yay. And yet you spend most of your post insulting and lambasting posters, including insinuating that we are also in cults, while touting your own credentials in a “shut up I’m right” manner.
“BECAUSE CULTS DON’T ADVERTISE THEMSELVES AS CULTS.”
Hooray, if we were in a cult, we wouldn’t advertise it. So what, because we wouldn’t say we were in one if we were, that means we are? Logic… you fail at it. As for the meditation thing, the article made it very clear that reduction in stress was what was responsible for the results, not specifically the meditation. But meditation can be calming. Hooray for sensational news.
You still won’t admit the shit you’ve pulled over the course of this thread, leading Pecunium to “go after you.” You’re like a puppy who leaked on the carpet, then acts all surprised when you get called out for it. If you wanna talk about cults, fine, do it. But do it without the martyr complex. A bunch of people have listed famous cults that didn’t practice yoga, which you seem to dismiss by saying “oh, those are only the well-known cults! I know about all these secret ones, ha!” Unless a vast majority of them practices yoga, and you provide proof, you lose this point. And even if they do, you still haven’t proved that yoga causes or leads to cultish activity, only that its a tool that’s used by cults.
“You guys are such amateurs.”
“instead you offer your own, extremely limited, outlooks and decide you’re right”
“Honey, thinking is NOT your strong suit”
“cultism has moved so far beyond that shit you practically wouldn’t recognize it. As a matter of fact, I know you wouldn’t.”
“you can’t win against me on my topics of expertise.”
“I, on the other hand, can spot a cult a mile away”
http://www.urban75.org/info/conspiraloons.html
Specifically points 1-4, and 7
Ohm that? That’s just the Alpha Cock Carousel. We all take turns riding it, dontcha know.
XD We’re a cult xD
Also apparently “funny” is very similar to “angry” for him XDDD And I lurve his whole “she’s so ditzy so I dun have to answer a thing she says!” thing XD While at the same time, y’know obv being srsly upset about me XDD
And CLEARLY I dun thnk xD I alrdy asked him.. what makes me so ditzy? :3 Outside of the way I talk xD Oh right, the magic cards.. he’s not obsessed w/ them AT ALL XD
I think it’s amusing how he keeps saying how much he disregards me but I’m the one outside of Pecunium that he keeps giving all his attn to XD
Ah amusements xD
Also we’re EVIL!
How are we evil btw? 😮 Like you said I’m cruel… I want to know more! 😀 How are we evil? What evil things have we done?
What do you think we’re doing as a cult? What are our practices? Do you think we’re recruiting? And what do you think I’m using the cards I make for? 😀 Why am I making them? XD I’m so ditzy! I have no idea! You have to tell me! XDDDD
Uh, no, Crack, I do not have some sort of ideological objection to blow jobs, and I’m pretty sure no one else here does either. Why don’t you just look around and see?
The picture in the header is what’s called a “joke.” It’s a reference to a favorite phrase of internet misogynists: the “bad boy cock carousel” that young women are all supposedly riding during their twenties before they get old and have to live alone with their cats.
Definitely #7.
“7. Inability to withdraw. It’s a rare day indeed when a conspiracy theorist admits that a claim they have made has turned out to be without foundation, whether it be the overall claim itself or any of the evidence produced to support it. Moreover they have a liking (see 3. above) for the technique of avoiding discussion of their claims by “swamping” – piling on a whole lot more material rather than respond to the objections sceptics make to the previous lot.”
Has he “won” yet btw? xD Is he gonna keep coming back to this thread day after day? XD
Does he rly think we’re a cult and his job is to shut us down? XD
HOW WILL THE PERSISTENT, PROACTIVE CRACK EMCEE PRY HIMSELF OUT OF THIS PERNICIOUS PICKLE!?
STAY TUNED NEXT TIME! SAME BOOBZ TIME SAME BOOBZ CHANNEL! XD
(I’m being ditzy again xD Apparently it’s the same thing as geeky xD Like how apparently “angry” is a lot like “funny” XD )
PS to Crack, there’s another header, with a mammoth. That’s also a joke. I set the header to “random” so it will now alternate between the two.
Man, that was QUICK!!!!
I also said you’re a bunch of ignorant amateurs. Look, if you guys want to REMAIN ignorant, and scream “Troll! Troll! Troll! to make yourselves feel better, be my guest. But the thread is here to prove you’re liars:
I came to talk about Thomas Ball and mentioned some of my background, in one paragraph, that has caused YOU GUYS to carry this conversation into other areas – not me. YOU GUYS had to know everything about me. YOU GUYS want to debunk my every word. YOU GUYS are trolling your own thread, so, please, let’s not toy with each other about what’s been occurring here.
I said I would gladly talk with you, but if you’re going to insist on being irrational (which, since you hang out with Miss Ditzy Angelwings, doesn’t surprise me) I’ve got other things I can do with my time, kids.
And now I’m calling you “kids” because you do act like children,…
PPS, also, Laibach? Update your cultural references a little, dude.
If you want to talk about Thomas Ball maybe you should do that instead of calling ppl names and obsessing over yoga and magic cards xD
Kirby’s tried to talk to you about that… so have I xD You seem uninterested in talking about nething other than cults and how much you hate us and think we’re all evil xD
(and your weird obsession w/ me XD )