It’s always handy when one of the MGTOW brethren sums up one of the tribe’s beliefs in a handy little post. The following is what every single MRTOWer out there (not to mention many MRAs and PUAs and even some non-acronymified misogynists) seems to believe about how women live their lives today. When I say “every single MGTOWer” I’m not really exaggerating for impact – well, maybe a teensy bit. But I don’t think I’ve ever run across an MGTOWer who doesn’t take all of the following on faith.
Like many manosphere beliefs about women – like the whole “women only fuck the top 20% of men” thing – there is of course not a shred of evidence for any of this. It’s an essentially religious belief, accepted on faith. MGTOWers are like monks in the douchiest religion ever.
Anyway, fresh from a post by “Rogue” on NiceGuy’s MGTOW forum, here’s how all you ladies are living your lives:
The modern woman’s life plan goes like this:
Step 1) From first sexual awakening throughout her twenties, fuck as many Alpha Asshole men (hereafter referred to as AA) as she can in a quest of sheer narcissistic hedonism. May give birth to an AA spawn during this time; party lifestyle and general female educative path (elementary teacher, social worker) results in shaky finances.
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Step 2) Oops, getting close to or past age 30? Find a Nice Guy Beta (hereafter referred to as NGB), dupe him into marriage with sex (he’s generally grateful for the attention, having had less than stellar success with women throughout his twenties), use his money to stabilize shaky finances. Strong likelihood of having another child or two; may again be AA spawn due to affairs. Pack on 30 pounds of fat (at least!). Cut off sex with NGB since she now has him over a barrel and was never really attracted to him in the first place. Get steadily angrier and more dissatisfied.
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Step 3) Divorce at or slightly before age 40; attempt to remount AA cock carousel, this time as a cougar. Fail miserably because no AA wants an old, fat female body and a loose pussy that looks like a hunk of roast beef that’s been worked over with a dozen ball-peen hammers for a month. Said failure twists her mind until her only remaining pleasure in life is to fuck with ex-NGB in various ways such as taking him back to court to raise CS payments, or denying him visitation rights to his children.
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Step 4) Accept that she’s past her time for the AA cock carousel; become a companion to many cats.
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And what’s with all the cat-hatred, anyway? Cats are adorable, endlessly fascinating little monsters who do no harm to anyone, unless you count all the times my cat has attacked me without provocation and the fact that she just threw up her dinner and is now insistently demanding a second dinner. To paraphrase Samuel L. Jackson’s character in Jackie Brown, you can trust cats to be cats.
Anyway, back to the sermon:
The marriage strike is just an attempt to short-circuit steps 2 and 3, and force women to ride step 1 as long as they can, then transition directly to step 4. Will women like the result if, instead of rushing to save them at age 30, men just shake their heads and walk away? I think it’s an experiment worth trying.
Once again: please, please, please walk away. Walk far away. Become monks in your douchy religion. Just remember that most monks who take a vow of chastity don’t spend the rest of their lives whining about how women are a bunch of filthy bitches.
Oh, and before anyone pops in with a “why do you pick on the outliers, this guy doesn’t represent bla bla bla,” the post (which naturally got nothing but huzzahs on NiceGuy’s forum) was also highlighted on the MRA blog What Men Are Saying About Women as an example of “superb” discussion of the Woman Question. This bullshit is Manosphere-Approved bullshit.
@MRAL I’m not legally a woman. It doesn’t matter how I identify. There’s a whole lot of people who prefer it that way and don’t even care what it says legally, they have alrdy defined my identity. And there can be actual real consequences from this for me : This isn’t theoretical. I dun care what people BELIEVE in their heads, but when they decide to enforce their definition on me, it leads to things that can impact my safety, and my legal rights… that’s something important. >:| And a lot of the opposition towards fighting this attitude are people who believe that the way THEY see things should be enforced for EVERYBODY (i.e. b/c they don’t see me as a woman, nobody should) and that things that are not being directed at them (how people who respect my identity treat me) are still things that they believe should be aligned to their beliefs. : THAT’S what Ithiliana is talking about when she talks about privileged ppl wanting the whole world defined as they see fit.
@ithiliana which bible story is the one where the dude buys his wife with hundreds of foreskins from his slaughtered enemies? Violence, sexism, circumcision, it is the bible story trifecta.
That doesn’t make sense. As I’ve said everyone has that right, IMO. That includes teh evil men (and the worst of them all, teh evil evil white men). I know feminists want a fascist state in which thoe that can claim the greatest victimhood own others as slaves, but that’s not going to happen.
@MRAL:
First read Ami’s post. You may find it enlightening. Or you may cry “what about the menz.” One way or the other.
“I know feminists want a fascist state in which thoe that can claim the greatest victimhood own others as slaves”
This does not fly here anymore. You have talked to a whole board of feminists and not one has said anything like this, in fact upon this accusation plenty have outright denied it. Whoever these “feminists” you speak of are, they aren’t here, you aren’t talking to them. So stop talking about them.
Maybe you guys should go masturbate to your raging victim fetish.
Well ithiliana clearly thinks that you need enough victim credits before you’re allowed to define yourself. Maybe 20?
MRAL: If you wish to excoriate someone (or even successfully abuse them) with things like, That’s FUCKING what fumynuysm really is FUCK FEMINISM AND FUCK YOU YOU FUCK., it helps to have antecedents.
It also helps to have some variety. No one likes to think the stream of boring profanities aimed at them was done without some thought and care.
I commend Act one of Edmund Rostand’s Cyrano de Bergerac
@MRAL:
No, that’s exactly not the point at all. (and seriously, victim fetish? Who’s been whining so much about his victim status that he’s been banned from bringing it up anymore?)
There are people out there who do face the inability to define themselves. Like Ami said, in the post you either read but didn’t care about or ignored. Arguing about how you should be able to define yourself when you don’t face this persecution is a privilaged position.
To reiterate, a privilage is not something good or bad, and its not even something you have. It is a highlight of what you lack, namely discrimination against yourself it certain areas. The fact that you can define what you want to be called and have others respect that is a privilage, because there are people out there, trans for example, who cannot do that.
It has nothing to do with victim hood, and the fact that you of all people want to make it about playing the victim is utterly ironic, morally reprehensible, and astonishingly hilarious.
I just want to point out that the guy who said there was no place he could volunteer, no group he could volunteer to help, because he was worse off than any other person in need; who said that he would rather constantly go hungry than face his problems, which include being slightly shorter than average, having internet service, access to health care, and a great education, has accused one or all of you (us?) of having a raging victim fetish.
That is all.
I’m not whining. I’m just saying that you people are attempting to redefine “American” as “USian”. I don’t care how much or how little victim credits the US has, you can’t do that. Just like you can’t with transpeople or whatever. But just because Americans collectively have less victim credits doesn’t make it any less wrong.
This is the prime example of what’s wrong with fymynysm. Societal victim fetishes.
@Bee xD That’s exactly what I was thinking but you rly laid it out xD
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I need to take a breather. I am losing my sense of charity. How? Because I chose to indulge MRAL in his desire to be treated as a child.
MRAL: This level of detailed critique, the persistent attention to what you said, and not letting your follies drop (which if you look back I’ve done, fairly often) is the way one treats children.
One realises they will not ponder the difficult things unless they are reminded of them. They will stick their fingers in their ears until the people telling them unpleasant truths go away, so they can pretend they never said the silly things they did say.
And that’s how you asked me to treat you.
It’s not pleasant for me, and worse it warps how I look at you. Because you are not a child, and while you may act like one, treating you as if you were that juvenile isn’t going to persuade you, it’s going to anger you.
And the level of resistance you are getting is angering you enough, without me stoking your dislike of me.
On the one hand, I don’t care that you dislike me. I’ve been (and am) actively disliked by people with more power to hurt me than you are ever likely to have. People who have made it a crusade to attempt to actually tar my name, and damage my reputation, my livelihood.
People who have cost me friends.
You might attempt the former, you are in no position to do the latter, but I have no desire to make you angry with me. That you choose to be, I can’t help, but I will, for the sake of my humanity, and your well-being, stop doing what I’ve been doing this afternoon.
This isn’t an apology, it’s an explanation. You asked for it. You got it. I suspect it was a part (and probably not a small part) of what has made you so upset. That was unkind on my part. I know you won’t really believe me, but finding peoples buttons, and pushing them, is something I was trained to do, and I was good at training other people to do it.
Using that on you, even when you asked for it, wasn’t really fair. You aren’t old enough to have the sort of experience needed to see what was being done to you.
I am afraid, that telling you this isn’t, in the short term, going to help much, but I think not saying it would be worse.
Yus, ppl online saying they PERSONALLY prefer saying USian (as Americans themselves) and not saying that it must be legislated or even that others must say it (the argument, before you claim otherwise, is that YOU were saying they CAN’T and SHOULDN’T and then going on about how they are traitors xD ) … is EXACTLY like trans ppl unable to get legal recognition and facing violence and discrimination b/c others do not accept their identity. -_-;;
My “victim fetish” is different, because it’s just about me. See, fymynysts talk in broad brushes in terms of SOCIETY. Ie, in the sense that certain things are worse when done to certain people, certain groups deserve specil consideration and fuck the evil privileged overlords who aren’t actually privileged. Making it “okay” to deny Americans their self-identification right while making it otherwise “bad” is a prime example. This makes it almost impossible to talk to them, because their double standards are absolutely astounding, and incredibly, they just can’t see it.
Making it “okay” to deny Americans their self-identification right while making it otherwise “bad” is a prime example.
Okay, I’m curious..
what did you THINK happened on this thread? xD
And what do you think “feminists” are doing to enforce this? How do you think this will affect your life? What do you think will happen to you if you call yourself and “American”? xD
I think I’m just going to go with “gringo” from now on.
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Fymynysts obviously can’t enforce it. But it’s the principle that you think it’s acceptable.
in the sense that certain things are (more often) worse when done to certain people,
there fixed it for you xD
Which is it MRAL? Feminists rule the world, and get their own way, all the time: or they can’t enforce it?
And Pecunium, what posts are you talking about? I haven’t even really noticed your most recent ones, tbh. Ithiliana is the one that’s been pissing me off.
I decided I don’t dislike you.
Hmm the strike through didn’t work
in the sense that certain things are (more often)
worse whendone to certain people,Excellent! 😀 It worked XD
@MRAL:
“My “victim fetish” is different, because it’s just about me.”
No, it was about everyone who shared your particular characteristics. In fact, it was about a group of such people. So basically, you just acted exactly like feminism.
Or wait, no you didn’t. Just your unholy fantasy of the movement. Nobody in this thread was forcing you to identify as USian. Nobody in the outside world will. People will claim that transgendered people are who the sex they were born as, not the sex they identify as, and this can cause serious harm. The two are not comparable at all.
The only one with a double standard here is you. Basically, your problems are real, everyone else is lying or exagerating. Well, not double standard, more like begging the question. Which you fail to answer time and time again.
Fymynysts obviously can’t enforce it. But it’s the principle that you think it’s acceptable.
Think WHAT is acceptable? xD