It’s always handy when one of the MGTOW brethren sums up one of the tribe’s beliefs in a handy little post. The following is what every single MRTOWer out there (not to mention many MRAs and PUAs and even some non-acronymified misogynists) seems to believe about how women live their lives today. When I say “every single MGTOWer” I’m not really exaggerating for impact – well, maybe a teensy bit. But I don’t think I’ve ever run across an MGTOWer who doesn’t take all of the following on faith.
Like many manosphere beliefs about women – like the whole “women only fuck the top 20% of men” thing – there is of course not a shred of evidence for any of this. It’s an essentially religious belief, accepted on faith. MGTOWers are like monks in the douchiest religion ever.
Anyway, fresh from a post by “Rogue” on NiceGuy’s MGTOW forum, here’s how all you ladies are living your lives:
The modern woman’s life plan goes like this:
Step 1) From first sexual awakening throughout her twenties, fuck as many Alpha Asshole men (hereafter referred to as AA) as she can in a quest of sheer narcissistic hedonism. May give birth to an AA spawn during this time; party lifestyle and general female educative path (elementary teacher, social worker) results in shaky finances.
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Step 2) Oops, getting close to or past age 30? Find a Nice Guy Beta (hereafter referred to as NGB), dupe him into marriage with sex (he’s generally grateful for the attention, having had less than stellar success with women throughout his twenties), use his money to stabilize shaky finances. Strong likelihood of having another child or two; may again be AA spawn due to affairs. Pack on 30 pounds of fat (at least!). Cut off sex with NGB since she now has him over a barrel and was never really attracted to him in the first place. Get steadily angrier and more dissatisfied.
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Step 3) Divorce at or slightly before age 40; attempt to remount AA cock carousel, this time as a cougar. Fail miserably because no AA wants an old, fat female body and a loose pussy that looks like a hunk of roast beef that’s been worked over with a dozen ball-peen hammers for a month. Said failure twists her mind until her only remaining pleasure in life is to fuck with ex-NGB in various ways such as taking him back to court to raise CS payments, or denying him visitation rights to his children.
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Step 4) Accept that she’s past her time for the AA cock carousel; become a companion to many cats.
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And what’s with all the cat-hatred, anyway? Cats are adorable, endlessly fascinating little monsters who do no harm to anyone, unless you count all the times my cat has attacked me without provocation and the fact that she just threw up her dinner and is now insistently demanding a second dinner. To paraphrase Samuel L. Jackson’s character in Jackie Brown, you can trust cats to be cats.
Anyway, back to the sermon:
The marriage strike is just an attempt to short-circuit steps 2 and 3, and force women to ride step 1 as long as they can, then transition directly to step 4. Will women like the result if, instead of rushing to save them at age 30, men just shake their heads and walk away? I think it’s an experiment worth trying.
Once again: please, please, please walk away. Walk far away. Become monks in your douchy religion. Just remember that most monks who take a vow of chastity don’t spend the rest of their lives whining about how women are a bunch of filthy bitches.
Oh, and before anyone pops in with a “why do you pick on the outliers, this guy doesn’t represent bla bla bla,” the post (which naturally got nothing but huzzahs on NiceGuy’s forum) was also highlighted on the MRA blog What Men Are Saying About Women as an example of “superb” discussion of the Woman Question. This bullshit is Manosphere-Approved bullshit.
Yeah you can’t make me be quiet.
Also it was very dark satire of what NWO was implying and saying (which is why it was too close to the line for David) and so it wouldn’t apply here xD
MRAL is just so nosy about that XD
Joseph Smith and Brigham Young were child rapers (see: Helen Mar Kimball, a fourteen year old girl who was told she and her whole family would go to hell if she didn’t marry Smith. She had a child by him less than a year later). So is Warren Jeffs and his predecessor Rulon Jeffs, the leaders of the Colorado City branch of fundamentalist Mormonism.
So where’s your hatred for fundamentalist Mormonism, MRAL? Should we burn Colorado City to the ground? Look up Short Creek, see how well that went over.
Go ahead and criticize violent Muslims for being violent assholes, and feel free to give reasonable critiques of Mohammed. But you can’t pretend like Islam is a special case when, really, the assholery which can be found in Islam can be found in nearly any theological movement (even atheism – Stalin and Mao were both atheists).
Sir Francis Drake was also a murderer, and the only thing which kept him from being a bona fide pirate was the fact that he had Queen Elizabeth’s mandate to harass Spanish ships – hence, he was only a privateer.
Given the stuff he just said about how if you don’t say American, you should be considered a traitor to the state xD And the Islamaphobia (i think that applies right? he literally is scared of the religion) I feel like he’d join the Tea Party if they didn’t have so many women in it xD
MRAL: I know I can’t make you do anything.
But children aren’t adults, and they don’t understand the things under discussion, as a result they tend to be overly simplistic… this is, in fact, the primary fault of MRAs, they aren’t grown-ups, they want every thing there way, or not at all.
The same is true of Tea-Partiers, Domionists and Supremecists of all sorts. In a lot of ways you are on the cusp of becoming that sort of permanent child. Your tantrum about “that’s not what I think is right” on the subject of, “American” is just that sort of petty inability to deal with being less than completely correct.
Yes, American is a functional way to describe a citizen of the United States.
Overprivileged, whining, brat, is a tolerably accurate way to describe you.
Neither is without use, nor is either completely correct. That you so completely fail to see the former is a large part of why I say the latter.
http://icanhascheezburger.files.wordpress.com/2011/06/11.png?w=500&h=432
I think this is apropos to what just happened xD (except this was way cuter! xD )
*this is way cuter xD
@Pecunium srsly… the thing is that nuance goes right out the door w/ him xD We can’t have a discussion about the uses of the word “American” and it’s history and etc etc… it’s “NO THIS IS UNPATRIOTIC AND WRONG” xD
Or as I said on my blog:
Nuance. By Calvin Klein.
xD
Ami: It wasn’t just that I was paralleling NWO’s arguments, it’s that I was more than a little forceful in my choice of language. I was sailing very close to the wind, and shaded the meaning in a way which allowed for interpretations which weren’t completely acceptable.
Which is why I aplogised for doing it. I meant every word I said, but it probably wasn’t appropriate, given the context; and the specific choices I made in illustrating my point.
Dave had every reason to yank it.
Not that anyone asked me, but in the original context, I’d type U.S. terrorist. I think U.S. can be used as an adjective. It’s used to modify other nouns, like dollar, president, economy, passport, etc. Plus it’s the shortest option (especially if you don’t use periods). It gets tricky for me when I’m not using the term to modify a noun, but want to use it as a noun, to stand for a person from the U.S. Hell, I might rather type “person from the US” or “terrorist from the US” or “US citizen/resident” and waste a few keystrokes because American is sloppy and USian is one of those internet terminologies that I’ll probably give in and adopt in six months but am digging in my heels a little bit on right now. Because I’m really uncool.
On the other hand, I’m totally against bombing anyone.
Small point of contention: Although Stalin, Mao, and Pol Pot were atheists, their movements were ideological and political, not theological. The animating force behind their atrocities was their fervent belief that communism is The Way, not their fervent non-belief in god or gods.
As for MRAL… That was a nice deflection, dude. Couldn’t answer for your idiotic and bigoted views about Islam, so you went on a tirade about “American” vs. “USian,” only to arrive back at your starting place, having realized that the little spat about nomenclature was completely stupid and created by you. So, what about bombing Mecca? What would that accomplish again? And how would banning Islam be accomplished? What’s your rationale for treating Islam as a special case when it’s really quite unremarkable compared to other world religions?
I use, depending on context, US, “…. The States”, “American”, “USA”.
I happen to think the various modifications of, US (USian, USan, etc.) don’t look good. They sound funny too, but my generic conversation is different to my formal speech (which is mostly in talks about photography, cooking, and interrogation/torture). In any case speaking, “USian” tends to be more confusing than some form of, “The US/America”.
But when I use, “America” it’s contextually clear what I mean.
And I understand why other residents of the Americas get annoyed at being discounted.
In France they call us “Les États-Unis” – The United States. This is also a very common shortening of the name of our country here in the U.S.
I, for one, am proud to be a (apparently anti-American) USian.
@Ami:
He can haz nuance?
No, not his.
Okay I’m back after another attempt to make friends with the kitty in my neighborhood! What did I miss? *reads*
Oh noes! Whatever will I do?! MRAL called me unpatriotic woe is me! But seriously, Mohammed = pirate? Wow. MRAL Mohammed was actually preaching peace and inclusion before he was forced to leave for Medina. Learn your history!
@Kirbywarp: I don’t really see how doing away with holy sites would be much help in ending religious intolerance/radicalism. I just wish people would be more willing to have open dialogues with each other (while being open-minded of course).
@ClioPersephone:
The way I see it, if I have the site correct, you have a piece of land and two religions who each think they are destined by God to control it. It’d be nice if the piece of land didn’t exist to fight over. Of course it would, in no way, end religious intolerance or radicalism. If people were more willing to have open dialogues with each other, the land wouldn’t be as big of an issue. But the first is probably an unsolvable problem, and the second hinges pretty heavily on the first. So, wishing the land weren’t there to fight over won’t cure the disease, so to speak, but it would deal with one of the symptoms.
I realize its kind of a futile wish though… its more of one that might solve a very current and very specific issue between Israel and Palestine, rather than attempting to fix the source. But I think the source, in a very direct way, is religion… -_-
@MRAL, I don’t know why you bother argueing with them, they think of you as little more than an expendible peice of TP. Ya know why they call me a conspiracy guy? I had the audacity to tell them a few facts. If I you have a 200k loan and I told you you work for the bankers, you’d say ain’t it the truth. But if you tell them the Federal Guv gets all it’s money as a loan from the bankers therefore the Guv works for the bankers, they call it a conspiracy. It’s just one of their many shaming tactics.
They know Title IX is unfair, I’ve given countless links on how it’s become it’s own police force, also judge, jury and executioner, along with a jury that must read “why men are controlling” before rendering a guilty verdict.How they go by “preponderance of evidence” instead of “innocent until proven guilty.” Their instant response to me will be, “yea it’s a feminist conspiracy.” They know it’s an evil law and organization and say women aren’t like that. But they wanna keep that law around for a rainy day so they shove it up their collective pussy just in case.
When you mention unfair treatment of men for sentencing it’s the same, “yes NWO it’s a feminist conspiracy.” And up their collective pussy it goes for a rainy day. If a man kills his child it’s murder, if a woman does the same it’s infantcide, (a lesser offense). Well thats definitely a keeper. Shove that puppy up there.
AA, quota’s, it’s all the same. A woman gets a job thats made up just to fill a number. The cost is transferred to the public. Well I must be a conspiracy theorist then. But that law that states women get jobs because of their gender is “equality” to them. Even if they don’t use it. it’s a definite winner to them. Shove it in the storage bin for when it’s needed.
This is the same for all social, economic and political realms of society. They’ll say that all women aren’t like that or very few women will do that, whatever that may be. That can’t see that having the ability by law to ruin a mans life on a whim is vile. Because it’s their nature to think that way, all their thought process revolves around “self.” So they store all these goodies and use them whenever they feel like it. It’s the protection and security they all crave.
Their big claim to fame, other than talking endlessly, seems to be mockery and feminist the gathering. Their ego is stoked every minute of every day. Seriously MRAL, they loathe you, they’ve been taught from birth thath they are perfect and men are evil.
they’ve been taught from birth thath they are perfect and men are evil.
Where?
I’m serious. Remember at the beginning of the post, where I said I didn’t go to lady school? I’ve always lived with one or more men in my house, I’ve always had male friends, and I’ve always gone to co-ed education. Where exactly am I learning any information, propaganda, or techniques that men aren’t privy to?
@Kirbywarp:
I see what you mean. I’ve always found it fascinating (and sad) that the three Abrahamic religions have had so much conflict with each other. When I read the Qur’an, the Bible, and the Torah I focus on the beautiful messages/imagery and what I really see most are the similarities. Obviously I’m in the minority on that one though.
Where is Saladin when you need him?
I never thought NWO would take the track of “You all know I’m right, you just won’t admit it.” Oh wait, yes I did. And ooh, just found something rather special.
http://www.urban75.org/info/conspiraloons.html
You might want to read that NWO, answer a yes or no to each point regarding whether you think it applies to you, then return with your score (out of 21). Should be fun. ^__^
I wonder if NWO knows what MRAL thinks of him xD (or that MRAL thinks NWO’s stories of suffering, hunger, etc are not worse than being average height xD )
Actually, NWOslave, you have posted specious claim after specious claim, which are continually refuted, which you ignore, only to take up the exact same drumbeat the next day.
Though I find it interesting that NWOslave is popping up now. Am I the only person who’s noticed that we tend to only get one troll per thread? Or that they seem as though they’re taking turns? NWOslave doesn’t talk when MRAL is talking, and neither one of them talk when Eoghan or Marc is going at it, either.
Maybe all our trolls are just one lonely dude with MPD.
Kirby – What’s interesting about NWO is that his main tactic seems to be “feminists all secretly hate men and want to destroy society, but they never admit it.” Apparently he has psychic powers?
…If a feminist hates men in a forest and no one is around, does it make a sound?
Seriously, dude, did you go to school? Is English your second language? If not, this is pitiful.
Take this example:
Did you mean:
“AA, quota is, it’s all the same”?
“AA, ‘,it’s all the same’, which belongs to ‘quota'”?
No, of course not. There should be no apostrophe there.
When you pluralise a word, you usually just have to put an “s” at the end. “Quotas.
English, motherfucker, do you speak it?