It’s always handy when one of the MGTOW brethren sums up one of the tribe’s beliefs in a handy little post. The following is what every single MRTOWer out there (not to mention many MRAs and PUAs and even some non-acronymified misogynists) seems to believe about how women live their lives today. When I say “every single MGTOWer” I’m not really exaggerating for impact – well, maybe a teensy bit. But I don’t think I’ve ever run across an MGTOWer who doesn’t take all of the following on faith.
Like many manosphere beliefs about women – like the whole “women only fuck the top 20% of men” thing – there is of course not a shred of evidence for any of this. It’s an essentially religious belief, accepted on faith. MGTOWers are like monks in the douchiest religion ever.
Anyway, fresh from a post by “Rogue” on NiceGuy’s MGTOW forum, here’s how all you ladies are living your lives:
The modern woman’s life plan goes like this:
Step 1) From first sexual awakening throughout her twenties, fuck as many Alpha Asshole men (hereafter referred to as AA) as she can in a quest of sheer narcissistic hedonism. May give birth to an AA spawn during this time; party lifestyle and general female educative path (elementary teacher, social worker) results in shaky finances.
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Step 2) Oops, getting close to or past age 30? Find a Nice Guy Beta (hereafter referred to as NGB), dupe him into marriage with sex (he’s generally grateful for the attention, having had less than stellar success with women throughout his twenties), use his money to stabilize shaky finances. Strong likelihood of having another child or two; may again be AA spawn due to affairs. Pack on 30 pounds of fat (at least!). Cut off sex with NGB since she now has him over a barrel and was never really attracted to him in the first place. Get steadily angrier and more dissatisfied.
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Step 3) Divorce at or slightly before age 40; attempt to remount AA cock carousel, this time as a cougar. Fail miserably because no AA wants an old, fat female body and a loose pussy that looks like a hunk of roast beef that’s been worked over with a dozen ball-peen hammers for a month. Said failure twists her mind until her only remaining pleasure in life is to fuck with ex-NGB in various ways such as taking him back to court to raise CS payments, or denying him visitation rights to his children.
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Step 4) Accept that she’s past her time for the AA cock carousel; become a companion to many cats.
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And what’s with all the cat-hatred, anyway? Cats are adorable, endlessly fascinating little monsters who do no harm to anyone, unless you count all the times my cat has attacked me without provocation and the fact that she just threw up her dinner and is now insistently demanding a second dinner. To paraphrase Samuel L. Jackson’s character in Jackie Brown, you can trust cats to be cats.
Anyway, back to the sermon:
The marriage strike is just an attempt to short-circuit steps 2 and 3, and force women to ride step 1 as long as they can, then transition directly to step 4. Will women like the result if, instead of rushing to save them at age 30, men just shake their heads and walk away? I think it’s an experiment worth trying.
Once again: please, please, please walk away. Walk far away. Become monks in your douchy religion. Just remember that most monks who take a vow of chastity don’t spend the rest of their lives whining about how women are a bunch of filthy bitches.
Oh, and before anyone pops in with a “why do you pick on the outliers, this guy doesn’t represent bla bla bla,” the post (which naturally got nothing but huzzahs on NiceGuy’s forum) was also highlighted on the MRA blog What Men Are Saying About Women as an example of “superb” discussion of the Woman Question. This bullshit is Manosphere-Approved bullshit.
MRAL, Pecunium’s been nicer to you here than ANYBODY, he’s shared his personal history w/ you so many times, he’s tried to take you under his wing, he seems to rly want to help you xD
if nething I’m the one you shoudl hate xD
XD
He’s losing it XDD I’m always amused how much I can get to ppl XD
Also I’m glad more and more ppl are using XD 😀 It’s the symbol of Ami! :3 <— that too XD <– and that ^-^ <— and that…is shared 😀
i know, your response showed you didn’t read it XD (or at least you’re so stuck in what you NEED to believe you read what you wanted into it xD )
@Kirby he rly does believe that if you blew up Mecca and just banned Islam, ppl would just stop believing and life would be great XD
This thread has just gone base-jumping off Batshit Cliff. MRAL casually mentions bombing a holy city and shutting down a major religion, gets pissy because he didn’t really mean it, you guys; sheesh, you take threats of violence against an already-under-threat demographic so fuckin’ seriously. But then someone uses a term he isn’t used to and thinks sounds silly and all of a suddenly it’s RAWR I SHALL PURGE YOU ALL WITH THE HOLY FIRES OF AN INTERNET FLAME WAR!
Only it’s more funny than annoying because he’s the only one really lashing out in a flame-y manner, and everyone else is just snickering at him with the occasional growl from Pecunium. So that’s fun.
BRB, popcorn!
This is a fucking stupid debate. I’m right, and will continue to refer to AMERICANS as AMERICANS. No longer taking part.
Whoops, I must’ve missed a slash in there somewhere.
Dammit. *returns popcorn bag to its box*
You can refer to it however you want MRAL xD It’s that you got pissy over how somebody ELSE referred to USans xD
A fucking stupid debate you started, MRAL – if it’s so unimportant why did you jump on people for saying USian?
@Feyline:
There’s always a chance he’ll go back into how bombing mecca really is the best thing we can do for the world today. I’d say get that popcorn, always be prepared! ^__^
Great minds, Ami XD
He’s never going to use the word United States or US again is he? xD He’ll be chanting “A-MER-I-CA!” while everybody else is chanting “USA USA” xD
He should move to Australia or Antarctica where there’s no controversy about continental divisions. Actually, just Antarctica. There would be far fewer women to spit on him there. So many problems solved!
@Lyn:
But for the women who do spit, the spit turns to ice nearly right away, so the spitting will be much more harmful.
Kirby: Flattening Mecca would be a bad idea for any number of reasons, but high among them is… it’s, from a religious standpoint (ignoring the roughly 1.5 million people who live there), it’s just a point of pilgrimage.
“Islam” doesn’t have the Curia of the Roman Catholics, nor the Synods of the Lutherans. Such things as sects of it do have are limited. The Iranian Sunni have Ayatollahs, the non-Iranians have Imam. Some Shi’a have Imams as well, but anyone who wants to can set up shop.
It helps to be have studied somewhere, but being learned in the Koran is all it takes. bin Laden didn’t attend a seminary, he just declared an idea of what needed to be, and used passages from the haditha, enaging in his own tarfsir (which is related to the Talmudic interpretations of the Pentateuch). As with Judaism, anyone who studies can become a religious leader (see the Ba’al Shem Tov, and the rise of Hassidism, which has since split into its own subsects).
Wahhabism is fairly new, centered in Saudi Arabia, and the prime source of the philosophical/theological justifications of al Qa’eda. There are other things, having more to do with local politics, the aftermath of colonialism and structural problems (largely British in origin) with the resettling of Isreal by the Jews.
The various (and fluid) ruling behaviors of the Ottoman Turks (and their sattelite states) and the re-shuffling of tribal groups from the end of the First World War, and the prosection of the Second further muddied the waters.
So… it’s more than Just Islam, and a lot of the underlying problems aren’t religious, but regional.
Leveling Mecca, however, would make many of those problems (the still present sense of anger from the Crusades, which was reawakened with the British and French Mandates for Africa and Palenstine, as well as the sense that the Crusader States [or Outremer] had been once again usurped from them when Israel was declared a state in 1948) no longer regional (where they are already a huge problem; even if the area weren’t able to affect the rest of the globe) but global.
But that’s all unimportant to MRAL… it’s all about Islam… that monolithic religion which has immutable texts (unlike the Mormons, or the Jews), and therefore will never change. It’s not like the Turks and Kurds don’t drink alcohol (which isn’t actually forbidden, drunkeness is. It just happens someone engaged in some tarfsir which decided to avoid that, it’s best to ban all drinking).
@MRAL,
I like the term “Usonian” or “Ustatian” myself. Seriously, the US does not have a proper country name. “Usonia” rolls off the tongue rather nicely. 😀
Honestly, fuck anyone who says USian or, even worse, “USer”. They are anti-American fucks and should be made an enemy of the state.
Oh, and Muhammad was a pirate and a murderer. That’s all I’m saying.
Wow, MRAL, such a reasoned and measured response!
MRAL: Pecunium, I kind of just don’t like you. You’ve yelled at me a lot.
I’ve really only been harsh with you a few times (such as you going on about hardship). I have expected you to hold to some simple principles of consitency and logic.
Just as I’ve done to annit, and NWO, and EWME and Eoghan(in all his guises) and Meller.
But you’ve not seen me get nasty. You’ve not seen me hold you up to real mockery (Meller is walking into that, NWO has been the recipient of some… though he never saw the most pointed of it… that was deleted).
When you’ve said stupid shit I’ve not insulted you. I’ve not said you were stupid. I’ve asked just what you meant by it. When you don’t answer I don’t abuse you, I repeat the question.
I’m treating you like an adult. If you don’t want me to, I can; I suppose, start treating you like a little boy.
Is that what you really want?
I kind of do want to know what you said to NWO that elicited such a response from Futrelle and co., so yeah, go ahead.
MRAL: And George Washington was a rebel and traitor. He was, in that regard, worse than Mohammed (and how are you defining pirate?). He killed (or caused to be killed) the soldiers, and citizens, of his rightful king.
But you laud him, and excoriate Mohammed.
Why are you so pro-treason?
Ok…. what we do to little boys is tell them to be quite while the grown-ups talk. If we are curious about what you might think we’ll ask you.
You won’t get what NWO got because
1: I told Dave I wouldn’t do that again.
2: You have not done the sort of thing he did.
3: That sort of treatment is only effective on adults , who are mature enough to recognise the consequences of their actions (which, I confess is a bit of a stretch for NWO).