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How the Other Half Lives, according to dudes who have no idea how the other half lives

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It’s always handy when one of the MGTOW brethren sums up one of the tribe’s beliefs in a handy little post. The following is what every single MRTOWer out there (not to mention many MRAs and PUAs and even some non-acronymified misogynists) seems to believe about how women live their lives today. When I say “every single MGTOWer” I’m not really exaggerating for impact – well, maybe a teensy bit. But I don’t think I’ve ever run across an MGTOWer who doesn’t take all of the following on faith.

Like many manosphere beliefs about women – like the whole “women only fuck the top 20% of men” thing – there is of course not a shred of evidence for any of this. It’s an essentially religious belief, accepted on faith. MGTOWers are like monks in the douchiest religion ever.

Anyway, fresh from a post by “Rogue” on NiceGuy’s MGTOW forum, here’s how all you ladies are living your lives:

The modern woman’s life plan goes like this:

Step 1) From first sexual awakening throughout her twenties, fuck as many Alpha Asshole men (hereafter referred to as AA) as she can in a quest of sheer narcissistic hedonism. May give birth to an AA spawn during this time; party lifestyle and general female educative path (elementary teacher, social worker) results in shaky finances.

[citation needed]

Step 2) Oops, getting close to or past age 30? Find a Nice Guy Beta (hereafter referred to as NGB), dupe him into marriage with sex (he’s generally grateful for the attention, having had less than stellar success with women throughout his twenties), use his money to stabilize shaky finances. Strong likelihood of having another child or two; may again be AA spawn due to affairs. Pack on 30 pounds of fat (at least!). Cut off sex with NGB since she now has him over a barrel and was never really attracted to him in the first place. Get steadily angrier and more dissatisfied.

[citation needed]

Step 3) Divorce at or slightly before age 40; attempt to remount AA cock carousel, this time as a cougar. Fail miserably because no AA wants an old, fat female body and a loose pussy that looks like a hunk of roast beef that’s been worked over with a dozen ball-peen hammers for a month. Said failure twists her mind until her only remaining pleasure in life is to fuck with ex-NGB in various ways such as taking him back to court to raise CS payments, or denying him visitation rights to his children.

[citation needed]

 Step 4) Accept that she’s past her time for the AA cock carousel; become a companion to many cats.

[citation needed]

And what’s with all the cat-hatred, anyway? Cats are adorable, endlessly fascinating little monsters who do no harm to anyone, unless you count all the times my cat has attacked me without provocation and the fact that she just threw up her dinner and is now insistently demanding a second dinner. To paraphrase Samuel L. Jackson’s character in Jackie Brown, you can trust cats to be cats.

Anyway, back to the sermon:

The marriage strike is just an attempt to short-circuit steps 2 and 3, and force women to ride step 1 as long as they can, then transition directly to step 4. Will women like the result if, instead of rushing to save them at age 30, men just shake their heads and walk away? I think it’s an experiment worth trying.

Once again: please, please, please walk away. Walk far away. Become monks in your douchy religion. Just remember that most monks who take a vow of chastity don’t spend the rest of their lives whining about how women are a bunch of filthy bitches.

Oh, and before anyone pops in with a “why do you pick on the outliers, this guy doesn’t represent bla bla bla,” the post (which naturally got nothing but huzzahs on NiceGuy’s forum) was also highlighted on the MRA blog What Men Are Saying About Women as an example of “superb” discussion of the Woman Question. This bullshit is Manosphere-Approved bullshit.

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kirbywarp
kirbywarp
9 years ago

@MRAL:

Its possible they just haven’t heard of it. USian is not an old term. You don’t know what their opinion is if they never have a reason to express it.

Spearhafoc
9 years ago

I know what feminists think because I literally never hear individual feminists sans some internet blogs, or the leaders of the feminist movement, or feminist writers, or feminist activists, or anything feminist ever use the term “Fymynyst”.

Men's Rights Activist Lieutenant
Men's Rights Activist Lieutenant
9 years ago

Maybe fymynysts should not be a hate group if they want to have their wishes respected.

Spearhafoc
9 years ago

Maybe USians should not be a hate group if they want to have their wishes respected.

Lyn
Lyn
9 years ago

MRAL – that could be because USian is one of those internetty things that looks much better than it sounds…

Men's Rights Activist Lieutenant
Men's Rights Activist Lieutenant
9 years ago

Kirby, maybe, maybe not. It’s not anyone’s place to change the terminology, especially to something awkward-sounding and dumb like “USian”.

Men's Rights Activist Lieutenant
Men's Rights Activist Lieutenant
9 years ago

Maybe USians should not be a hate group if they want to have their wishes respected.

Hahahahahahahahahaha. Nice try.

Spearhafoc
9 years ago

Kirby, maybe, maybe not. It’s not anyone’s place to change the terminology, especially to something awkward-sounding and dumb like “fymynyst”.

Men's Rights Activist Lieutenant
Men's Rights Activist Lieutenant
9 years ago

I am going to imagine punching the next person who uses the term USian in the face.

Men's Rights Activist Lieutenant
Men's Rights Activist Lieutenant
9 years ago

Spearhafoc is a fucking idiot.

Spearhafoc
9 years ago

I am going to imagine punching the next person who uses the term fymynyst in the face.

Bee
Bee
9 years ago

Mr. Al:

Close your eyes.

Breathe deeply.

Think of the lake. The beautiful, beautiful lake. The relaxing sounds of the water. The sun glinting on the surface of the water.

You dive in. The water is cold, but refreshing. You body feels good moving through the water.

Etc.

kirbywarp
kirbywarp
9 years ago

@MRAL:

Again, your personal opinion on how dumb the name “USian” is has no bearing on what actual USians think of themselves. But if I’m gonna respect your wishes to be called American (there is no reason why I wouldn’t, except for…) then you should respect our wishes to be called Feminists. As Spearhafoc is trying gracefully to drill into your skull.

Lyn
Lyn
9 years ago

Correction – Spearhafoc is being pretty hilarious. I can understand that his tactics would be irritating…this is why I avoid saying stupid and hypocritical stuff where possible. You should try it.

Holly Pervocracy
9 years ago

MRAL, I’m kind of glad you don’t have a girlfriend, because I can see how you’d treat her. You need a hell of a lot more tolerance for disagreement and even insult before you’re able to share your life with another person.

Spearhafoc
9 years ago

By the by, that’s a little awkward.

“I am going to imagine punching the next person who uses the term USian in the face.”

It reads like you’re going to imagine punching someone who says “USian in the face”.

To my knowledge, no one (save for yourself) has used that phrase. Is this like that scene from Fight Club where Edward Norton beats himself up?

Holly Pervocracy
9 years ago

I’m going to not imagine punching anyone in the face, because I’m switching between this page, homework, and “Hoarders,” and I’m not all that emotionally invested. I’d like people to agree with me, but if they don’t, I try to keep it from raising my real-life blood pressure all that much.

Spearhafoc
9 years ago

Like I said, I don’t actually care about “USian” versus “American” (and, in fact, prefer “American”). I’m also not bothered by “fymynyst”. It’s juvenile, but you’re kind of an idiot so I don’t let it bother me.

I’m just shocked by the level of your hypocrisy here. Look at what you’re doing, man!

Pecunium
9 years ago

MRAL: Again with the lack of irony: Americans want to be called, since they call themselves, well, Americans. USian is almost like spitting in their face.

And a number of Americans here, have told you they don’t care. Are you calling them liars? Wait, I forgot, you already called them unAmerican, veritable traitors, because they didn’t object to it.

As I said before, if you weren’t so childishly attached to the idea that you get to define things for people, and were willing to live and let live, you’d get a lot less grief,and look a lot less foolish.

No one care if you want to be called an American, or a Down Easter, or a hillbilly. If you make your preference known (without being a jerk about it) they will be happy to accommodate you.

But you’ve yet to mature enough to understand that, and you go on with juvenile assertion that you know what everyone in the United States thinks (all 300 million of them) because you’ve never heard one use a specific turn of phrase.

How many people have you had a conversation where it was likely to come up?

That, my dear boy, is why people tell you that you are full of it.

Really, it would probably me more pleasant, for you, if you finished your thoughts on Islam.

Plymouth
Plymouth
9 years ago

since there is no place called America, there is no reason for anyone to be pissed that Americans call themselvs Americans.

I don’t think many people are “pissed” – I’d say more like “mildly annoyed”.

However, along similar likes…

since there IS a place called the U.S., there is no reason for anyone to be pissed that some people call people from that place USians. (including some of us who are from the U.S.)

And yet somehow you are!

Men's Rights Activist Lieutenant
Men's Rights Activist Lieutenant
9 years ago

I love it when people disagree with me, wtf are you taking about? If I had a girlfriend that would be no problem. I just hate it when people disagree about fucking stupid shit.

Men's Rights Activist Lieutenant
Men's Rights Activist Lieutenant
9 years ago

Islam? I have nothing more to say about that. I was using hyperbole in frustration. Damn. You people take everything so seriously, do you ACTUALLY THINK I would ACTUALLY CONDONE bombing Mecca at this point and time, even suspending the logistics and morality of the situation? No. I was kidding. Borne out of frustration with the Middle East. Muslims are fine, unless they kill people.

Spearhafoc
9 years ago

If I had a girlfriend that would be no problem.

Until she says something that annoys you (which happens in every relationship, even platonic ones), in which case you might finally have a chance to act out your violent little fantasies. The further away you get from having a girlfriend, the better for said hypothetical girlfriend. That is, until you got some help for your anger problems.

I just hate it when people disagree about fucking stupid shit.

He said without a trace of irony. Hint: You’re the one who started this stupid argument.

Holly Pervocracy
9 years ago

Well, what if you had a girlfriend who disagreed with you about fucking stupid shit?

I’m not even mocking you (well, that too, but I’m not only mocking you). Part of being in a relationship is knowing how to take it okay when someone does things that bother you–every now and then, things that really bother you.

Sometimes my boyfriend completely exasperates me, and sometimes we have real disagreements that can’t be resolved the way I’d like. Never mind how attractive I might be, I couldn’t be in this relationship if I started screaming or talking about violence when that happened.

kirbywarp
kirbywarp
9 years ago

@MRAL:

You are a man who has expressed no qualms about violence in the past. Why wouldn’t we take you seriously now? Good to hear you recognize it was out of frustration though… I guess…

Its like rewarding a lemon for temporarily not squirting in someone’s eye…

Men's Rights Activist Lieutenant
Men's Rights Activist Lieutenant
9 years ago

My “violent fantasies” (not really) and bombing Mecca are two completely different things. If you people are too dumb to see hyperbole, well, that’s not my problem.

Oh, and how do I have violent fantasies anyway? Joking about punching people in the face? Lol.

kirbywarp
kirbywarp
9 years ago

@MRAL:

If both are just fantasies, then they are the same thing. 😐

Victoria von Syrus
Victoria von Syrus
9 years ago

I get angry when other people use “USian”, because that is clearly not what Americans want to be called, since they call themselves, well, Americans. USian is almost like spitting in their face. It’s rude. If Brazilians, somehow, collectively made it known they wanted to be called Americans I’d refer to them as Americans.

You know, I didn’t even know that USian vs American was such a controversial topic until some twit on the Internet had a fit about it.

Men's Rights Activist Lieutenant
Men's Rights Activist Lieutenant
9 years ago

Fuck you.

kirbywarp
kirbywarp
9 years ago

Fuck who?

Victoria von Syrus
Victoria von Syrus
9 years ago

I think me, for calling him a tantrum-throwing twit.

kirbywarp
kirbywarp
9 years ago

Possibly, so hard to tell sometimes. I did use the phrase USian after him threatening to punch his mental image of me… Perhaps I dodged?

Pecunium
9 years ago

MRAL: First… I am not talking about Mecca. Second, ACTUALLY THINK I would ACTUALLY CONDONE bombing Mecca at this point and time, even suspending the logistics and morality of the situation? is not a repudiation of the initial statement.

It’s a qualified repetition of the idea that there is a point in time when the question of the logistics and morality of the initial statement could be (perhaps should be) revisited.

If you want people to think you don’t condone it, you can’t allow that there are circumstances when it might be acceptable.

But I wasn’t talking about that. I was talking about your, repeated, assertions that Islam is worse than other religions (insofar as you seem to think all religion should be banned; but Islam needs to be the first one gone).

So, how would you go about eradicating Islam?

Pecunium
9 years ago

MRAL: If you don’t want to talk specifics, you could, perhaps, explain what it is which makes Islam so important in your list of religions to wipe from the face of the earth.

Because, in terms of having direct effect on you, Christianity (and Christians) are the greater threat to your personal well being/lifestyle.

Men's Rights Activist Lieutenant
Men's Rights Activist Lieutenant
9 years ago

I don’t know.

But I do maintain Islam is qualitatively “worse” than other religions, in the sense that its texts are more violent, Muhammad is a violent prophet, and it is thus easier to justify violence in the name of Islam.

Victoria von Syrus
Victoria von Syrus
9 years ago

@ Kirby:

It’s likely. I’ve found that ‘fuck you’ is his most common response to direct insults, and your line about lemons was pretty good.

I doubt we’ll get him to tell us which one of us gets the credit, though. Maybe we can share it?

kirbywarp
kirbywarp
9 years ago

@MRAL:

Have you read the old testament? Have you seen the amount of killing that goes on in their at God’s direct order? It really is a matter of how much modernity has intervened. With Christianity, a lot. With Islam, not as much.

kirbywarp
kirbywarp
9 years ago

@Victoria von Syrus:

Sure, I could share a Fuck You with you.

wait…

Victoria von Syrus
Victoria von Syrus
9 years ago

But I do maintain Islam is qualitatively “worse” than other religions, in the sense that its texts are more violent, Muhammad is a violent prophet, and it is thus easier to justify violence in the name of Islam

You read the Bible any time recently? The Old Testament is pretty much all war, all the time. The Book of Mormon isn’t much better. War, flee, war, war, Jesus, peace, war, war.

Or how about them Greek myths? I’m flipping through my mental roster of Greek mythology, and I think the only one that wasn’t overtly person-on-person violent was Orpheus and Eurydice.

Of course, I haven’t actually read the Koran (I understand that reputable English translations are hard to come by). So, I mean, if you want to say you’ve read it, and enough holy texts to make a valid comparison, I’m very interested in what you have to say.

ithiliana
9 years ago

It’s not privilege to think that you have the right to define yourself

If you have never been part of a group who has been legally, institutionally, or systematically defined by another group who are dominint (legally, economically, socially, culturally, or all of the abovey), then yes, it is privilege. White women and all people of color were defined as “not legally citizens of this country” for a long time. African Americans were designated a racialized term that was embedded in the “one drop” rule to support the economic system of chattel slavery for a long time. And don’t give me “that’s history”–attitudes and systems operating today were shaped by those decades of a small group of white men definining everybody else.

Straight cis elite white men (and by elite, I don’t mean Trump style) have defined legally and systematcally other groups through a variety of systems–look at the variety of terminologies that have been applied to ethnic minority groups in this country.

Look at the very name of the continent–it was named by Europeans who colonized it, and their name is what has been used, not the names given by the indigenous peoples who had lived here for 40,000 years (more or less, the archeology keeps pushing the time back).

Look at how the Amerikan government system changed European immigrants’ names on entry to this country (http://www.forward.com/articles/12907/).

Lots of other stuff out there about these issues, but I doubt you care or will read them, but yes, it’s a privilege to believe that you have the RIGHT to (exclusively) name yourself and to reject all other terminologies are wrong, juvenile, or “politically correct.”

Victoria von Syrus
Victoria von Syrus
9 years ago

@ Kirby:

Yeah, that might be awkward… Really, I was kind of thinking of a blue ribbon cut up the middle, or a turkey wishbone.

Pecunium
9 years ago

MRAL: Have you read the Qu’ran?

Have you pondered what Jesus meant when he said, “Let him without a sword sell his garment and buy one,”?

Or that he had come to bring strife, to separate the fathers from the sons?

Have you looked at the relative differences in how the religions dealt with outsiders in their midst when they weren’t being threatened with people invading them, subjegating them (even demonising them and saying they are the worst religion in the world?).

That is, when they were in power, how did they compare to say Christians, or Hindus, etc.

Because you have confessed you don’t know much about them. If one asserts a “truism” without actually have facts, that’s prejudice. Prejudice isn’t, per se, bad; everyone has them.

What is bad is to act as if ignorant prejudice were fact, and try to make arguments about, “how things are” or worse, actual social policies, based on those prejudices.

The word for that is bigotry.

So, since we have you admitting you don’t know what you are talking about… the choice is clear, admit you made a mistake (everyone does it), or confess to being a bigot; Q.E.D.

It is that simple.

ithiliana
9 years ago

Religion and violence: I don’t know, ever since I hit that part in the Old Testament about God sending bears out to eat children who mocked a prophet (his beard?), I’ve wondered about the violence quotient. Plus, you know, Crusades, Holy Wars, Spanish Inquisition, witch burnings (I’m a witch, so watch out if you start showing any newtlike qualities–just kidding, actually, I’m an animistic pagan after a goddess vision I had on a beach in Washington State in 1976, or maybe 1977, goddess, I suck at dates). Plus for a while I was a Job’s Daughter, and you know, that story fucking sucks–sure Job gets a new family, but wtf? what did his family ever do to deserve getting whacked in some TEST?

Plus, you know, who did Adam and Eve’s kids MARRY? And what about that canon incest (Noah and daughters)? I mean, wow. As I told students in my mythology class, if you want sex, drugs, and violence not to mention incest and cannibalism, you gotta go to the classics.

Oh, and I use the terms USian a lot in my fandom spaces because of the international nature of the fandom and the critiques of the default assumption that everybody is an “American” (especially when I’m around Canadians!) In other communication situations, I use different terminology–because context matters.

Pecunium
9 years ago

Ilithiana: Oh yeah, the OT is chock full of some serious violence. For the most part only Israelites count, and when God tries to include outsiders (Jonah and the mission to Ninevah) his prophets try to refuse, and then get pissed when God doesn’t wipe the infidels off the face of the map.

And God saw their works, that they turned from their evil way; and God repented of the evil, that he had said that he would do unto them; and he did[it not.

But it displeased Jonah exceedingly, and he was very angry.

And he prayed unto the LORD, and said, I pray thee, O LORD, was not this my saying, when I was yet in my country? Therefore I fled before unto Tarshish: for I knew that thou art a gracious God, and merciful, slow to anger, and of great kindness, and repentest thee of the evil.

Therefore now, O LORD, take, I beseech thee, my life from me; for it is better for me to die than to live.

There’s Jonah… God compels him to preach to Ninevah, warning them of what will happen if they don’t repent, and when they do repent, he’s pissed that God kept his word and forgave them.

Classy.

And in Deuteronomy… Ch. 18 is full of things in which massive collective punishment is to be meted out for minor infractions.

It’s enough to make one think Judaism is inherently violent.

ithiliana
9 years ago

Pecunium: Just a quick question before I force myelf to sign off and go to bed Have you seen Lewis Black’s incredibly hilarious fantastic rant about how Christians took and misread HIS people’s holy book? It was in one of his specials…may have to see if I can find and link to it.

Trufact: our parents pulled my brother and me out of the church choir when the Presbyterian Church came out in support of Angela Davis (omg, church, politics, communism). The main reason I was pissed off is because I had a crush on the minister’s wife who led the choir and looked just like Julie Andrews (whom I have a crush on to this day.) I didn’t read the Bible much after that, until my sophomore year in high school when I had a major but short-lived religious revival….I remembered that when I was reading Angela Davis’ essays for my dissertation!

Ami Angelwings
9 years ago

Oh just FYI, the backstory for Magyc: The Gendering is up on the latest (Scott Adams) thread :3

Men's Rights Activist Lieutenant
Men's Rights Activist Lieutenant
9 years ago

Lol, ithiliana, what are you even saying? That African-Americans were behaving in a privileged manner when they asked to define themselves? MLK was a spoiled brat? Because following the your logic, that’s what I’ve got. All this shit about “cis white men”, what does that have to do ith anything except to get in more fymynyst man bashing?

Men's Rights Activist Lieutenant
Men's Rights Activist Lieutenant
9 years ago

That’s FUCKING what fumynuysm really is FUCK FEMINISM AND FUCK YOU YOU FUCK.

kirbywarp
kirbywarp
9 years ago

@MRAL:

What ithiliana was saying was this. If you are not part of a group that was denied the ability to define themselves, and go on and on about how its so obvious that of course you have that right, it’s privilage.

It’s a privilage that you can say such things, and not actually have to fight for it, and to not suffer real consequences if you are denied that “right.” What does having this privilage actually mean? It means if you say you have a right to define yourself, then go on and on about how others don’t have that right, you are being hypocritical and bigoted.

kirbywarp
kirbywarp
9 years ago

@MRAL:

Also you’re being an asshole to everyone who has had to fight for that right. Its basically like arguing in front of a bunch of women that “of course I have the right to vote, and no one will take that away!”