It’s always handy when one of the MGTOW brethren sums up one of the tribe’s beliefs in a handy little post. The following is what every single MRTOWer out there (not to mention many MRAs and PUAs and even some non-acronymified misogynists) seems to believe about how women live their lives today. When I say “every single MGTOWer” I’m not really exaggerating for impact – well, maybe a teensy bit. But I don’t think I’ve ever run across an MGTOWer who doesn’t take all of the following on faith.
Like many manosphere beliefs about women – like the whole “women only fuck the top 20% of men” thing – there is of course not a shred of evidence for any of this. It’s an essentially religious belief, accepted on faith. MGTOWers are like monks in the douchiest religion ever.
Anyway, fresh from a post by “Rogue” on NiceGuy’s MGTOW forum, here’s how all you ladies are living your lives:
The modern woman’s life plan goes like this:
Step 1) From first sexual awakening throughout her twenties, fuck as many Alpha Asshole men (hereafter referred to as AA) as she can in a quest of sheer narcissistic hedonism. May give birth to an AA spawn during this time; party lifestyle and general female educative path (elementary teacher, social worker) results in shaky finances.
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Step 2) Oops, getting close to or past age 30? Find a Nice Guy Beta (hereafter referred to as NGB), dupe him into marriage with sex (he’s generally grateful for the attention, having had less than stellar success with women throughout his twenties), use his money to stabilize shaky finances. Strong likelihood of having another child or two; may again be AA spawn due to affairs. Pack on 30 pounds of fat (at least!). Cut off sex with NGB since she now has him over a barrel and was never really attracted to him in the first place. Get steadily angrier and more dissatisfied.
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Step 3) Divorce at or slightly before age 40; attempt to remount AA cock carousel, this time as a cougar. Fail miserably because no AA wants an old, fat female body and a loose pussy that looks like a hunk of roast beef that’s been worked over with a dozen ball-peen hammers for a month. Said failure twists her mind until her only remaining pleasure in life is to fuck with ex-NGB in various ways such as taking him back to court to raise CS payments, or denying him visitation rights to his children.
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Step 4) Accept that she’s past her time for the AA cock carousel; become a companion to many cats.
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And what’s with all the cat-hatred, anyway? Cats are adorable, endlessly fascinating little monsters who do no harm to anyone, unless you count all the times my cat has attacked me without provocation and the fact that she just threw up her dinner and is now insistently demanding a second dinner. To paraphrase Samuel L. Jackson’s character in Jackie Brown, you can trust cats to be cats.
Anyway, back to the sermon:
The marriage strike is just an attempt to short-circuit steps 2 and 3, and force women to ride step 1 as long as they can, then transition directly to step 4. Will women like the result if, instead of rushing to save them at age 30, men just shake their heads and walk away? I think it’s an experiment worth trying.
Once again: please, please, please walk away. Walk far away. Become monks in your douchy religion. Just remember that most monks who take a vow of chastity don’t spend the rest of their lives whining about how women are a bunch of filthy bitches.
Oh, and before anyone pops in with a “why do you pick on the outliers, this guy doesn’t represent bla bla bla,” the post (which naturally got nothing but huzzahs on NiceGuy’s forum) was also highlighted on the MRA blog What Men Are Saying About Women as an example of “superb” discussion of the Woman Question. This bullshit is Manosphere-Approved bullshit.
I’m still waiting to see the reasonable stuff that MRAs write. It’s a standing challenge at this site: if anyone can direct us toward the reasonable MRA sites, we’d be happy to check them out. So far, they all seem to engage in rank misogyny as a matter of course.
CB – I think David should put the Reasonable MRA Challenge on the front page!
Here’s the rules I’d set up, if I were King of Manboobz:
1) It must be a person, blog, or site producing multiple articles over time, not a single reasonable article
2) It must have some following in the MRA world; a blog with no comments that no one links to doesn’t count
3) It must never excuse or applaud violence against women or talk about women as inherently evil or inferior, and it must never or rarely claim that women are privileged above men in society at large.
4) Saying “but this blog is reasonable because women really are horrible monsters!” is not helping your case, fellas.
Of course none of these MRAs can point to any reasonable sites at all, because the MRA “movement” is made of domestic abusers, pedophiles, and rapists, with a few loner losers for flavor. None of them actually advocate for human rights for prisoners, or fund men’s shelters (for either homeless or domestically abused men).
I second Holly’s idea! A permanent challenge would be lovely. 😀
Molly – What’s funny is that there are tons of sites that meet the qualifications, but all the hardcore MRAs have long since disdained them as “manginas.”
So I guess:
5) It must be someone you personally support and agree with most of the time, and not someone you would consider a “mangina,” male feminist, or non-MRA.
Honestly, I am jealous of David’s success… there are so many good blogs, entertaining, intelligent, well-written where the bloggers really make an effort to deliver high quality content and they don’t get a fraction of attention he gets.
All he does is to browse the internet, the bottom of the pile, cherry-picks the worst of the worst, posts that here mocks it and tries to depict himself as the defender of common sense.
This is a new brand of concern trolling XD YOU GUYS ARE HURTING THE QUALITY ON THE INTERNET! xD There are so many great blogs out there that dun get the attn you jerks are getting! xD
Tho honestly, it’s mostly the trolls, and me, cuz I’m awesome :3
And I wish my blog got tons of attn sometmes too (It used to back in the day xD ) but I dun go OMFG I CAN’T BELIEVE XYZ IS GETTING THE ATTN WHY NOT MEEEE >_>;; xD
Maybe I should
PPL, READ MY BLOG! >:O
*throws things at you*
Holly, not a bad idea. I’ve thought about doing that before. I think I should go ahead and set up a page on this, linked up top on that thingy below the header.
Ami, your cards are great. When you get done with them I’d like to do a post on them. Could you write up a little explanation of them for those of us that don’t understand these sorts of games?
*uses pussy pass as a shield from Ami projectiles*
“Lol, just one questions: what would you do if all the MRAs would suddenly heavily moderate their forums and comment sections? Commit suicide because your life has no meaning anymore?”
Upon reflection, I’d probably go back to mocking fundies, Satanists, radfems and furries. Unless an even funnier bunch of people comes along in the meantime.
@David sure! :3 I’ll make some more then write up an explanation :]
Marc: Own your words. You said we can make assumptions, “a priori”, then when we pointed out what your a priori assumptions mean… you try to weasel, and say, “Well, it could be, but we don’t know”.
You got it all wrong again. That weren’t my a priori assumptions. I just said, that because that men and women if they are predominantly heterosexuality are attracted to very different body types (male – female), it could be that they are also attracted to different mental characteristics.
Mind you, “it could be, we don’t know’ is how you try to discount the stats in that study, then you try to say, “it could be (that men are afraid in an anonymous survey of saying they are virgins… a vast number, who then make up just the right numbers to make it all work if the Alphas are getting all the sex; in different countriess) and say we ought to accept that as a real possibility.
So… who needs the help here?
Again, you’re distorting what I said.
As I already said many times (you’re still ignoring it), I think the MGTOW-scenario is unplausible. But if you had this experience by yourself then this study will not change your mind (and no, that’s not irrational, that it doesn’t), a study where it’s proven that some people lied is not strong evidence, it’s extremely bad evidence. I don’t know why this is so hard to accept?
I don’t know how much women value status, I’m an agnostic regarding this point, I thought that would be crystal clear?
And what’s always with the “in different countries”, that’s something you also need for your alternative explanation, you need to assume that in all countries the “bragging” is the same.
So you aren’t actually likely to be able, from writing the sorts of weak-tea arguments you’ve been showing here, to help me do anything more meaningful, and productive than that, certainly not with my spare time.
Weak tea? I think you just don’t understand them.
“What you think of me is based on what you see here. It hurts me, wounds me to the very soul, that you think me mean-spirited and small-minded because people who think women aren’t people, are dirtbags and morons.”
That’s something I’ll never understand. On the one hand you find it very funny that some people think that way, they are just deluded, not to be take seriously, and hey, we make a blog about them to mock them and have fun.
But then, … they’re suddenly evil and dangerous? And it’s so horrible that they think that way.
Did you know that this trick was one of Lenin’s favorites? In his speeches he switched between warning how dangerous and evil his enemies are and exposing them to ridicule.
Marc – For the sake of this thread being readable, could you stop arguing about what you said and argue about some sort of issue or other?
Even if it’s the moon landing. I’d rather hear a moon landing digression than this endless parade of “but you said that I said something different than what I say I said!”
Ummm….. did I miss the part in that quote where it was said that people who think women aren’t people are evil and dangerous? “Dirtbags and morons,” yes, but “evil and dangerous”?
I’m still waiting to see the reasonable stuff that MRAs write. It’s a standing challenge at this site: if anyone can direct us toward the reasonable MRA sites, we’d be happy to check them out. So far, they all seem to engage in rank misogyny as a matter of course.
So, since the False Rape Society is on Davids boobroll, where’s the misogyny there? Clear cut misogyny. And no, links don’t count.
“I just said, that because that men and women if they are predominantly heterosexuality are attracted to very different body types (male – female), it could be that they are also attracted to different mental characteristics.”
So how do you explain the fame of Justin Bieber? Or all the slash written by women about this guy in Game of Thrones?
Marc, oh, Marc.
You’ve complained twice about my “broken link,” although the second time it was “links.”
The link in question, in my OP above, is not broken; it is to a forum that requires you register in order to see the comments. A little bit of a hassle, but if anyone really wants to see the original in all its glory they can register. I’m not sure what my other options are if I want to quote anything from that forum. I think at this point it is either the only members-only site I quote from regularly. (Maybe one of the other MGOTW forums is also members only; I don’t remember.)
Of course, if you’d actually read the post to the end, you would have noticed that I link to a blog that quotes the comment in full. Click it and see.
I’ll deal with the rest of your complaints about this blog in my upcoming “challenge” post.
Marc, have you read any of my posts about the False Rape Society?
I read them, why?
“I just said, that because that men and women if they are predominantly heterosexuality are attracted to very different body types (male – female), it could be that they are also attracted to different mental characteristics.”
Just because someone is hetero doesn’t mean that they are attracted to ALL MEN or ALL WOMEN, the same way that being gay or lesbian doesn’t mean ALL MEN or ALL WOMEN.
People have narrower tastes than just their gender of preference. I like nerdy brunettes. Someone I know was just talking about how, when he was growing up, he found Lynda Carter to be WHOA but Farrah Fawcett to be ‘meh’. A friend of mine only wants to date artists and musicians, and a bunch of my friends absolutely refuse to date Republicans. But, of course, Republicans and accountants are still getting dates, so it must be that other people are attracted to them.
So it’s likely that there are some men who want Cindy Crawford and some women who want a high powered attorney. But there are also some men who lust after Queen Latifah, and some women who don’t really factor status into the kind of men they find attractive.
The link in question, in my OP above, is not broken; it is to a forum that requires you register in order to see the comments. A little bit of a hassle, but if anyone really wants to see the original in all its glory they can register. I’m not sure what my other options are if I want to quote anything from that forum. I think at this point it is either the only members-only site I quote from regularly. (Maybe one of the other MGOTW forums is also members only; I don’t remember.)
Thanks finally, I just wanted to hear from you that you take your stuff so seriously that you even register at those forums. Strange obsession, huh?
Marc:
ahh, format fail. how do you end block quotes, again?
the stuff in quotation marks is from Marc, the non-quotation marks are from me…
Marc – Thanks finally, I just wanted to hear from you that you take your stuff so seriously that you even register at those forums. Strange obsession, huh?
So were you being dishonest before when you said the links were broken, or dishonest now when you’re trying to pretend you knew what you were doing?
And yeah, David probably is serious about the blog that he writes and posts in every day. Now go away and go bother the people on some dog blog for “only talking about dogs all the time, like you’re obsessed with dogs or something, why don’t you get over dogs already.”
“Thanks finally, I just wanted to hear from you that you take your stuff so seriously that you even register at those forums. Strange obsession, huh?”
We’re addicted to fun, Marc.