It’s always handy when one of the MGTOW brethren sums up one of the tribe’s beliefs in a handy little post. The following is what every single MRTOWer out there (not to mention many MRAs and PUAs and even some non-acronymified misogynists) seems to believe about how women live their lives today. When I say “every single MGTOWer” I’m not really exaggerating for impact – well, maybe a teensy bit. But I don’t think I’ve ever run across an MGTOWer who doesn’t take all of the following on faith.
Like many manosphere beliefs about women – like the whole “women only fuck the top 20% of men” thing – there is of course not a shred of evidence for any of this. It’s an essentially religious belief, accepted on faith. MGTOWers are like monks in the douchiest religion ever.
Anyway, fresh from a post by “Rogue” on NiceGuy’s MGTOW forum, here’s how all you ladies are living your lives:
The modern woman’s life plan goes like this:
Step 1) From first sexual awakening throughout her twenties, fuck as many Alpha Asshole men (hereafter referred to as AA) as she can in a quest of sheer narcissistic hedonism. May give birth to an AA spawn during this time; party lifestyle and general female educative path (elementary teacher, social worker) results in shaky finances.
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Step 2) Oops, getting close to or past age 30? Find a Nice Guy Beta (hereafter referred to as NGB), dupe him into marriage with sex (he’s generally grateful for the attention, having had less than stellar success with women throughout his twenties), use his money to stabilize shaky finances. Strong likelihood of having another child or two; may again be AA spawn due to affairs. Pack on 30 pounds of fat (at least!). Cut off sex with NGB since she now has him over a barrel and was never really attracted to him in the first place. Get steadily angrier and more dissatisfied.
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Step 3) Divorce at or slightly before age 40; attempt to remount AA cock carousel, this time as a cougar. Fail miserably because no AA wants an old, fat female body and a loose pussy that looks like a hunk of roast beef that’s been worked over with a dozen ball-peen hammers for a month. Said failure twists her mind until her only remaining pleasure in life is to fuck with ex-NGB in various ways such as taking him back to court to raise CS payments, or denying him visitation rights to his children.
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Step 4) Accept that she’s past her time for the AA cock carousel; become a companion to many cats.
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And what’s with all the cat-hatred, anyway? Cats are adorable, endlessly fascinating little monsters who do no harm to anyone, unless you count all the times my cat has attacked me without provocation and the fact that she just threw up her dinner and is now insistently demanding a second dinner. To paraphrase Samuel L. Jackson’s character in Jackie Brown, you can trust cats to be cats.
Anyway, back to the sermon:
The marriage strike is just an attempt to short-circuit steps 2 and 3, and force women to ride step 1 as long as they can, then transition directly to step 4. Will women like the result if, instead of rushing to save them at age 30, men just shake their heads and walk away? I think it’s an experiment worth trying.
Once again: please, please, please walk away. Walk far away. Become monks in your douchy religion. Just remember that most monks who take a vow of chastity don’t spend the rest of their lives whining about how women are a bunch of filthy bitches.
Oh, and before anyone pops in with a “why do you pick on the outliers, this guy doesn’t represent bla bla bla,” the post (which naturally got nothing but huzzahs on NiceGuy’s forum) was also highlighted on the MRA blog What Men Are Saying About Women as an example of “superb” discussion of the Woman Question. This bullshit is Manosphere-Approved bullshit.
Kirby’s card will be getting an overhaul eventually too. xD I want to keep it looking kinda fantasyish (tho some of the effect cards, unless somebody will actually draw them xD, will prolly still say w/ the modern day cartoons :3 )
Look, I don’t find fat people attractive. That’s it. Sure, there’s a grey area as to what is “fat”, but as the sole inhabitant of me I get to make an executive decision as to whether someone is or not.
ohh, the one with the dragon!
http://www.dicingdangers.com/s/gallery/9/9343-lion-sorceress.jpg
hmm maybe that one is good, cuz Holly’s a red head.. but it’s not as dark as the others…
at least I THINK she’s a red head (i’m suddenly uncertain) *looks at Kirby* you’ve met her! xD
I like either the 1st or 3rd, but perhaps Holly ought to have some say in what people are perving to.
@Ami:
Three.. Definitely three. XD
@MRAL:
I’m not saying you have to find people attractive if you don’t want to, I’m talking about recognizing that other people find them attractive, even if you don’t. Saying that a person’s beauty is a quality of them, independant of any observer, is simply untrue. (And regrettably very common in the world of PUA)
I agree with Pecunium. Though I like the Lion Sorceress the most! xD
I’m not trying to make them pervy -_-;; It’s just every drawing of a woman in a fantasy setting ends up looking somewhat porny >_<;;;
esp ebil ones xD
I’m making cards to try to distract myself from how crummy I feel atm : And I’m running out of alrdy created ones and I can’t seem to come up w/ ideas for new ones :[ So that’s why I’m making Holly…
Sure, but we can acknowledge that the majority of people have similar turn-ons in regard to certain traits. PUA caters to the mainstream, and the mainstream of men have roughly comparable tastes. Not totally, but certainly, thinness is a pretty widely valued trait.
if nebody can find me a good picture of a war/cyber crocodile or platypus that’d be great xD
War Platypus: http://www.redbubble.com/people/firedrake/art/5521003-war-beast-platypus
Platypus with axe: http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_Vr-nljkaZO8/S2E6ZgusMmI/AAAAAAAAAcE/Dvr9mrmT1hA/s400/platypus.jpg
@MRAL:
That’s not how they frame it. They frame it as “A girl is an X/10,” as if that were independantly true of any girl, even without being on the chubby side. For instance, some men like red-heads, some like brunettes. A redhead might be a “5” to one and a “9” to another, but of course PUA doesn’t recognize this.
I’m sure other people have said this before, but there are some benefits that PUA provides, namely self confidence, the ability to actually talk to women you find attractive, and the grace to accept a rejection without taking it personally. Of course, it wraps the whole thing up in a big complicated mess of misogyny as well…
The benefits that PUA provides can be provided without even recognizing certain traits as universally attractive.
It’s a commission, I can’t save it : (I could prolly take a screenshot, but right now dun want to load GIMP : )
I think it’s problematical to assume that the mainstream image of attractiveness represents the actual attractions of the majority. Plurality, sure, but the bell curve of taste is WIDE.
It looks pretty awesome tho! xD And the sorta art style it is, also fits some styles that Magic does use…
@Plymouth, good point
@MRAL:
Also, I forgot to mention, a great deal of the problems with PUA? Stem from treating subjective standards as objective.
Ami: Aw, sorry. I didn’t think about it’s source… The hunt for the War Platy continues! xD
@Plymouth yeah… we often assume we know what “most people” are like and what “most people” think and like and etc etc… b/c of dominant narratives and images in our society via TV and advertising, and media in general… it’s like what me and I think Spearhafoc and others were talking about before about what we “know” about the world… and how we fill in a lot of gaps w/ narratives we’re given in the media, and never question it :
It’s ok to be attracted to particular body types, MRAL. That’s not the problem. The problem is the hatred for ‘fat chicks’ and the idea that being fat makes someone less of a human being deserving of empathy etc. Also the idea (I may be wrong, but I get this impression from what you’ve said previously) that women are shallow for not dating you but that you are not shallow for not wanting to date ‘fat chicks’. Hell, this post is all about saying that women are shallow and argues that they have sex, get married and have kids, in the second step, only to get money off the poor beta men they screw over after getting their kicks screwing alphas in part one. Then, of course, the d00d complains about women getting fat during this period, as if women do this totally on purpose and that this signifies that they don’t respect men. Nothing to do with hormone and metabolic changes as we age, or having children, or whatever. He implies that getting fat is, like, the worst and most disrespectful thing to do ever…which is shallow and demonstrates a lack of basic human empathy.
Basically, people are attracted to other people. They usually have something in common, some shared perspective on what they want out of life. Some people are not attracted to other people at all, some are just not attracted to particular people. It’s not all about women sneering at men who don’t have ‘status’.
@Kirby it’s funny, b/c it’s not just even just “thin” often it’s a v specific kind of thin.. and usually includes having larger breasts too… they may say they want a model, but they don’t actually, b/c they also want hips and large breasts… when all those asshats were judging Ozy’s body, everybody was just going on about how bony her butt was… and ugh >_<;;; (that they WANTED to hate her despite her being thin was another thing, which means it's hardly all about looks) one of the things I see and hear a lot from guys complimenting girls (like on youtube, or in blogs, or IRL) is "I hate those anorexic bitches" or etc…
you can't win for losing…-_-;;
ami: I was playing with Holly’s Handle.
MRAL: Beauty is a social construct. Look at the women of Hawai’i, or Tonga. Look at the paintings of Titian, or Ruebens. Compare the Gibson Girls to the It Girls.
Look at the ’60s. ’70s and ’80s in Playboy.
Those were the ‘mainstream’ of their age, and they are all different. People’s tastes are amazingly idiosyncratic.