It’s always handy when one of the MGTOW brethren sums up one of the tribe’s beliefs in a handy little post. The following is what every single MRTOWer out there (not to mention many MRAs and PUAs and even some non-acronymified misogynists) seems to believe about how women live their lives today. When I say “every single MGTOWer” I’m not really exaggerating for impact – well, maybe a teensy bit. But I don’t think I’ve ever run across an MGTOWer who doesn’t take all of the following on faith.
Like many manosphere beliefs about women – like the whole “women only fuck the top 20% of men” thing – there is of course not a shred of evidence for any of this. It’s an essentially religious belief, accepted on faith. MGTOWers are like monks in the douchiest religion ever.
Anyway, fresh from a post by “Rogue” on NiceGuy’s MGTOW forum, here’s how all you ladies are living your lives:
The modern woman’s life plan goes like this:
Step 1) From first sexual awakening throughout her twenties, fuck as many Alpha Asshole men (hereafter referred to as AA) as she can in a quest of sheer narcissistic hedonism. May give birth to an AA spawn during this time; party lifestyle and general female educative path (elementary teacher, social worker) results in shaky finances.
[citation needed]
Step 2) Oops, getting close to or past age 30? Find a Nice Guy Beta (hereafter referred to as NGB), dupe him into marriage with sex (he’s generally grateful for the attention, having had less than stellar success with women throughout his twenties), use his money to stabilize shaky finances. Strong likelihood of having another child or two; may again be AA spawn due to affairs. Pack on 30 pounds of fat (at least!). Cut off sex with NGB since she now has him over a barrel and was never really attracted to him in the first place. Get steadily angrier and more dissatisfied.
[citation needed]
Step 3) Divorce at or slightly before age 40; attempt to remount AA cock carousel, this time as a cougar. Fail miserably because no AA wants an old, fat female body and a loose pussy that looks like a hunk of roast beef that’s been worked over with a dozen ball-peen hammers for a month. Said failure twists her mind until her only remaining pleasure in life is to fuck with ex-NGB in various ways such as taking him back to court to raise CS payments, or denying him visitation rights to his children.
[citation needed]
Step 4) Accept that she’s past her time for the AA cock carousel; become a companion to many cats.
[citation needed]
And what’s with all the cat-hatred, anyway? Cats are adorable, endlessly fascinating little monsters who do no harm to anyone, unless you count all the times my cat has attacked me without provocation and the fact that she just threw up her dinner and is now insistently demanding a second dinner. To paraphrase Samuel L. Jackson’s character in Jackie Brown, you can trust cats to be cats.
Anyway, back to the sermon:
The marriage strike is just an attempt to short-circuit steps 2 and 3, and force women to ride step 1 as long as they can, then transition directly to step 4. Will women like the result if, instead of rushing to save them at age 30, men just shake their heads and walk away? I think it’s an experiment worth trying.
Once again: please, please, please walk away. Walk far away. Become monks in your douchy religion. Just remember that most monks who take a vow of chastity don’t spend the rest of their lives whining about how women are a bunch of filthy bitches.
Oh, and before anyone pops in with a “why do you pick on the outliers, this guy doesn’t represent bla bla bla,” the post (which naturally got nothing but huzzahs on NiceGuy’s forum) was also highlighted on the MRA blog What Men Are Saying About Women as an example of “superb” discussion of the Woman Question. This bullshit is Manosphere-Approved bullshit.
I always wonder how women know that they’re supposed to coordinate all this evil. Am I the only one who didn’t go to Woman School, and who never got pulled aside by an older girl telling me “psst… here’s the plan.”? I’ve kinda been winging it, guys.
How come men don’t have one, single, fixed life plan?
And if (that’s a big big big “do you seriously not know any just plain couples in your life?” if) this were true, why would it be true? Either you think women are just inherently genetic, that it’s a sex-linked trait or something, or… maybe it has something to do with society. Which is changeable and which involves men.
And the “loose pussy” stuff is as gross as it is inaccurate. Do they think that if you hold too many objects in your hand eventually you’ll get nasty-looking beat-up hands that don’t close all the way any more? It doesn’t work like that.
We should come up with the complementary life plan for the average MGTOWer.
1. Age 18: still a virgin. Starting to be bitter about it.
2. Age 22, graduating from college with computer engineering degree (the pinnacle of human knowledge!). Still a virgin. Now very bitter about it.
3. Age 25: accept a pity-fuck from an amazingly drunk, married, former high school classmate at the poorly-attended class reunion. It sucks. Still bitter.
To be continued…
Here’s the thing about the whole “alpha/beta/omega” thing that gets me… Based on the way they often describe women, I have to wonder how much of this anger stems from their inability to get together in a sexual way with a woman they find attractive enough, to borrow from their terminology, an “alpha” female. I ask this because they sure do disparage what would be in their mindset “beta” and “omega” women.
Actual conversation I had with a guy once…
Him: Why can’t women look past my outside and see what a great guy I am?
Me: Why can’t you do the same thing and see past what they look like?
Him: I have to get turned on!
This is something I’ve noticed with the many of the “nice guys” I’ve known throughout my life. They complain that they can’t get any women to go out with them, often getting bitter about it, but they limit themselves by only approach women who are essentially “out of their league” (which I put in quotes, because I think the concept is ridiculous and way too many people, both men and women, limit their sexual and romantic options when they base it all too much on looks).
Note: I’m not saying this isn’t a problem with many single women as well.
SallyStrange – Here’s my life plan for the average modern man:
Age 0: Be born, full of potential for learning and empathy and exploring the world and the fascinating people in it.
Age 1 day – death: Varies.
But I’m allergic to cats.
Also, if you assume they are describing their early home life the whole MRA/MGTOW thing makes more sense. They’re still bitter that their parents divorced and that their mom was forced to make excuses for why their dad didn’t care enough to visit them anymore.
I’m not talking about men, Holly, but rather MGTOWers. Big difference.
Anyway, turnabout is fair play, right?
Holly:
No, they think a vagina is literally just a hole. It isn’t a muscular organ, it isn’t a thing in its own right, it is just an absence of superior male genitalia, with an opening to be used.
SallyStrange – Sorry, I wasn’t trying to smack you down–more to point out that no man has to go down that path.
Leroy Brown – But haven’t they noticed how vaginas will tense up and tighten powerfully when… oh. Right. I guess they haven’t.
I can report that I have had five fingers up my vagina, and sometimes it still hurts to have a penis in there. SCIENCE!
Also, I have to say I know exactly one woman who is doing anything even remotely approaching an “alpha asshole cock carousel”, and she’s had two long-term relationships and only fucks men who treat her well.
The link is dead.
“Like many manosphere beliefs about women – like the whole “women only fuck the top 20% of men” thing – there is of course not a shred of evidence for any of this.”
So what’s your estimate then? Do women value power and success significantly more than men or do they not? And if yes, how can we measure this “significantly more”?
Why would women value power/success more? And what’s whose estimate for what? Marc’s post confuses me.
The simple fact of the matter that more than 20% of men have had sex. Granted, I don’t have actual statistics to back that up, but it seems to me that if 80% of men were virgins (or had only ever had sex with prostitutes), we’d have heard about it.
Marc… define “value”, and “power” and “success”.
Then explain how men and women value it. Also control for social limiters: e.g. in France women were not allowed to hold title in the their own right, if they valued power (by which, in this example I mean the ability to do what they wanted) they had to marry it, and use the transitive power that came of their husbands rank). So the paradigm would appear that women like to marry powerful men.
So you need to show (statistically, not hypothetically) that, when the playing field is equal, women will act in a consistently different way from men.
Otherwise, well that’s what Dave means when he says, “citation needed”.
About the pussy comment: Obviously this guy has never heard of kegels, chi-weight lifting or the Jade Egg. You can actually make your pussy as tight and strong as it was before you lost your virginity and then some. What a bunch of dummies!
As far as I can tell, what the boobz seem to believe is the following:
Alpha– 20% of men, totally awesome, can have sex with any woman they want, high-status, assholish
Beta– 60% of men, ordinary guy with girlfriend, do awful things like listening and talking to girls
Omega– 20% of men, can’t get laid to save their life.
Which is to say… I’m pretty sure that more than 80% of men get laid on the regular.
Marc, given that (according to the Kinsey Institute) 90% of men have had sex in the past year (and almost all men have sex at some point in their lives), I would say that (straight) women have sex with nearly all (straight) men.
Tabby: When doing surveys of sexual partners men’s numbers and women’s numbers don’t add up. The men seem to say they’ve had many more partners than the women do (some of that is bad modelling; by not controlling for outliers the rates of difference are huge, when the outliers are controlled for there is still a discrepancy, but not so drastic Sex, Lies and Cybercrime).
But.. unless there is something really strange going on (and all the men I know are Alphas, which Roissy, and AVM, and the like all assure me is not the case), most men are getting some. Most men are even getting some on a pretty regular basis.
So, the premise of that argument is faulty. Which leads me to think the whole thing is a bunch of whining meant to justify the fact they aren’t getting any by blaming everyone else.
Ahh, the diad, “power and success”. First the whole thing with “power”. Would an MRA please explain to me what they mean by “power”? Are they saying only dictators and senators get laid or do they fantasize that they are all Plantagenets or something?
Power and success are red herrings, anyway. People value accomplishment and responsibility — except, of course, for a small minority who prefer their spouses poor, stupid and disempowered, so as to better lord over them. Thus, success is valued to the same extent as any other positive characteristic. If a perspective spouse is successful (and that too, is a vague term that different people interpret differently), it means that he possesses the intelligence and self-discipline to achieve long-term goals. By contrast, a candidate who can’t seem to get his shit together in multiple tries will clearly end up being an albatross around your neck, so OF COURSE, you’d go with someone who is successful, other factors being equal.
And then, of course, there is the problem of “success” being such a vague term. I, for one, value academic accomplishment more than financial accomplishment, so between a poor history post-doc and an auto mechanic with his own business, I’d go with the post-doc (again, all other things being equal). Of course, shocking though it may seem, this vagina-owner doesn’t speak for all women.
Marc – I think women value power and success about the same as men. However, in situations where we have less access to power and success for ourselves, we may be motivated to “gold-dig,” if that’s the only way we can get any gold at all.
The reason you don’t see tons of men chasing after rich single women is… you don’t see tons of rich single women.
How come men don’t have one, single, fixed life plan?
Because we’re too stupid and sex-crazed to fabricate a plan more complicated than “fuck, eat, fuck, rage on internet, sleep.”
The simple fact of the matter that more than 20% of men have had sex. Granted, I don’t have actual statistics to back that up, but it seems to me that if 80% of men were virgins (or had only ever had sex with prostitutes), we’d have heard about it.
As you said earlier, Tabby, the only women who appear on their radar screen are the hot alpha women who supposedly won’t give them the time of day. So, if it appears that women only have sex with the top 20% of the men, in terms of status, maybe it’s because MGTOWers are only looking at the top 20% of the women.
When I get old I plan on buying a boat. Then people will want to fuck me for my boat.
I am baffled by this:
“party lifestyle and general female educative path (elementary teacher, social worker) results in shaky finances.”
Social worker? Elementary [school, presumably] teacher? Seriously? I’m a little surprised not to see “secretary” and “nurse” on this list. Cause there are no such thing as female doctors, lawyers, CEOs, college professors, engineers, graphic designers, electricians, Secretaries of State, Prime Ministers…