When the dudes at the Pro-Male/Anti-Feminist Technology blog aren’t wistfully looking forward to the days in which sexbots and artificial wombs make mere flesh-and-blood ladies obsolete, they’re pondering the crucial spiritual questions of our age, like how to pick up hot sluts at church. Any church, really, so long as it’s full of hot sluts. The blogger there – who doesn’t give his name, so let’s just call him Anti – recently highlighted this observation, from commenter The Fifth Horseman:
[C]hurch would be a great place for a PUA to run Game …
1) There is a built-in structure to meet women that takes out the difficulty of doing a cold approach.
2) All other men there are so pedestalizing, that the competition to a man who actually runs moderate Game is nil.
3) Sunday morning = where else would you Game at that time?
4) Once you have slept with a couple women in that church, simply move on to another church. Who cares if one is Baptist and the other is Episcopalian and the third is Lutheran? Just use up the desirable women and move on.
Jesus wept.
But Anti didn’t, and added his two cents to the discussion:
All you need to do to use the “Sunday Morning Nightclub” is find a church with single women. Some churches are pretty much all families so avoid them. Other churches are supertraditional where everyone gets married before 20. … I would also avoid Eastern Orthodox churches. …
When it comes to meeting the women there, you already have built in openers to use such as how “you have been looking for a church”. These women will put out for you. You aren’t going to find any virgins waiting for marriage (with the exception of a few outliers with very unusual issues). The women there are better described as “sluts for Jesus”.
Absolutely. All you need to do, fellas, is to approach them calmly and confidently, look quickly down at your crotch, then directly into their eyes, and ask them: “Would you like to meet … Little Jesus”
Verily, I say unto you, it works every time.
I think saying “there’s no God, because there’s no physical evidence for God” is a bit like saying “there’s no elephant in the living room, because I checked the bathroom carefully for elephants.”
That is, you can’t disprove a non-physical concept physically. (Can you disprove it non-physically? I really don’t know what that would entail.) You can prove that God did not create the world in six days, and you can prove that God did not part the Red Sea–but you cannot prove that God does not exist as a consciousness.
@ Tabby Lavalamp “Either there is a single god, multiple gods, or no god/s. They can’t all be real and true. ”
I actually don’t believe this. Because of the nature of spiritual and religious belief, I think what makes something true is a person’s belief in it. So multiple, contradictory theistic systems can coexist and still all be very true and valid.
I know it’s kind of a weird belief system, and it’s hard to explain to others, but it works very well for me. *shrugs*
OH MY GOD AMI WHY DO YOU HATE ELEPHANTS!?!?
I’m not trying to say that atheists are wrong and god must exist, understand. Only that we don’t–probably can’t–know who’s wrong and who’s right, and thus we should respect each other as fellow people who are probably wrong.
“I’m not trying to say that atheists are wrong and god must exist, understand. Only that we don’t–probably can’t–know who’s wrong and who’s right, and thus we should respect each other as fellow people who are probably wrong.”
QFT
@Sarah You think just b/c I’m a Giraffe Rights Activist (GRA) I hate Elephants!? Typical of you elephantists! Somebody doesn’t toe the company line and cares about the other species, and you flip out and accuse us of hate!
Point of Information: I (for reasons of fairness) am not considering myself in that wager. I suspect I am, in some ways, the most; and least, religious person here.
I considered taking orders; that is, I considered becoming a priest in the Roman Catholic Church, specifically a member of the Society of Jesus, more commonly known as the Jesuits. I suspect I would have been a good Jesuit, but I digress. For reasons of internal consistency I wasn’t able to move past consideration; I never even entered the preliminary phase (it’s called Formation, and lasts 3-10 years… the Jesuits are serious).
Why? Because of the Bull, “Ex cathedra; which says that, in matters of Doctrine, the Pope is infallible. (it doesn’t, as many misunderstand it, say that the Pope is never wrong on matters of faith, much less practice; it requires that he make s specific pronouncement. It has only been done once). I looked at it and (after a lot of thought) realised that being elected Pope doesn’t put the Holy Spirit on retainer. If I couldn’t vow to be obedient to that (even if it was never to be invoked in my lifetime), I couldn’t become a priest.
I am, in my way, still affiliated witht he RC, and disaffected, when I need the solace of The Mass (which is a joint exercise in shared meditation, at least for me) I attend Episcopal Services, and add the few phrases they leave out.
In the main I attend, when I just want some shared worship, Quaker meetings.
In general… I am more spiritual than religious. My fiancée is a Conservative Jew, who keeps a pretty Orthodox Kosher (her father is a Rabbi, and she attended Jewish Theological Seminary, and Columbia). I am a walking testimony to ecumenicalism (my former fiancée is a sincere Quaker, who spent 10 years with me, while I was still a soldier).
I’ve done a lot of study on religion. My housemate is an ordained minister, though not presently in practice (she is also a lawyer, not presently in practice).
Which is why the bleatings of NWO on the subject of the oppressions of his faith fall on rocky soil with me.
I’ve been called an idolator, a heretic. I know people who have been arrested for having religious beliefs in opposition to war, and nuclear weapons and in being in favor of civil rights (for blacks, hispanics and gays). I will have relatives who are missing chunks of their families, because they didn’t catch the right boat (one of my fiancées relatives was on the last boat out of their part of Poland in 1939… all of his friends were dead before 1944 rolled around).
Lots of evil has been done in the name of religions, but a lot more has just been done because people can be shits.
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I respect individual religious people because I recognize that intelligent people can and do hold false beliefs, myself included.
But I don’t respect their beliefs, because they are obviously false. There are many beliefs in the world for which the evidence is not conclusive, but the existence of a deity as proposed by the world’s major religions and their “holy” books are not among them. And no, “you can’t prove a negative” is not a sufficient response. The set of things which MIGHT exist, but whose non-existence is unprovable, is quite literally infinite. I can’t prove god does not exist. I also can’t prove that leprechauns don’t exist. Then there’s the undefinable new-agey god/gods. Nobody can say what they really are, so it’s hard to take them seriously when they insist that I should consider the possibility that they really exist.
I also think that the religious tendency of holding up “faith,” that is, “belief in something for which there is no proof” as a virtue to be encouraged rather than a human flaw to be discouraged is extremely toxic.
If there were no people pushing religion in the government and in public, I probably would not be as outspoken as I am about religion. It should be like a hobby. Keep it to yourself, unless you’re at a meeting with your fellow hobbyists. It works well here, you see: all the people here who are nice wonderful people who are religious are still nice and wonderful, they’re just wrong about the whole god thing. It’s unusual to talk about it so normally everyone gets along, no problem.
CB: I know a fair number of atheistic folks who attend meetings. I even know a few Members who are (so far as I can tell) actually atheists. Quakerism is a big tent.
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SallyStrange: You can’t prove there is no God.
That doesn’t make Pascal’s Wager right, and I agree with you that religion as a function of “public” (i.e. governmental) life is anathema.
But it’s not mockworthy just because you think it daft. Personally, I think Adult Babies are a bit daft. It makes no sense to me, and is objectively false. But they believe it. It works for them, and for some it’s a psychological need.
I would no more mock them than I would a Shintoist who tells me that if the rope which ties two rocks together fails, dire things will happen. It neither takes money from my pocket, nor imposes obligation on my life.
Deeds, not beliefs. It’s NWOs deeds which are risible, and his inability to understand the meanest of concepts which is deserving of mockery, not what he believes. It’s that he wishes to impose.
I’ll second what SallyStrange said. Also, if you have no evidence or support for your belief, it is irrational by definition. Valid beliefs are those supported by at least some evidence. Making whatever ridiculous ass claims you want (the world is 6000 years old, bats are birds) doesn’t suddenly become valid when the word religion is slapped on it. “Acting like your belief system is obviously and transparently the only real one…” Except you have just admitted it is, because every other position, Holly, by your definition, is not based on evidence, proof, or reason. You are trying to persuade us with the logical fallacy of special pleading here. If we are forming our belief in what is considered the best and proper way to form beliefs (based on evidence and reason), why should we make one single exception here for religious claims?
Though, as I have linked to Pharyngula, it should be obvious that I am pretty equal opportunity with mocking religion. The problem that comes up around Islam and Judaism is that instead of just critiquing religious beliefs or practices, racism, ethnocentricity, colonialism, and anti-immigrant sentiment get wrapped up in the mix and that many people apply a double standard (white Christian flies a plane into a building, he is assumed a lone radical, brown Muslim does it, not so much). Shit, I have seen people try to blame Islam for stuff done by the governments of some of the most heavily Christian majority nations in the world (newsflash ignoramuses, most of Subsaharan Africa is heavily Christian). I actually think “would you make a similar statement about a white christian doing the same behavior” is an excellent way to check if what you are saying is about religion rather than about race or nationality. I am pretty damned harsh towards all religion in general, but I have not once been called Islamaphobic or Anti-Semetic, because in general, all you need to do is not treat those groups differently for criticism than one would a white Christian to get by just fine.
SallyStrange – The set of things which MIGHT exist, but whose non-existence is unprovable, is quite literally infinite. I can’t prove god does not exist. I also can’t prove that leprechauns don’t exist.
Yeah. That’s the point. I haven’t ruled out leprechauns either, at least not with great “it’s so obvious it’s silly!” certainty.
I also think that the religious tendency of holding up “faith,” that is, “belief in something for which there is no proof” as a virtue to be encouraged rather than a human flaw to be discouraged is extremely toxic.
Belief in something contrary to proof–believing that two and two is five–is toxic. But belief in something subjective or unknowable–believing that two and two is poetry–is not.
I don’t like it when people try to apply religion to physical reality, by denying science or by trying to put their beliefs into laws. I don’t like it when people use religion to justify hatred. But neither of these things are inevitable parts of believing in something other than physical reality.
It’s, as I’ve been saying, okay not to believe in a God. But it’s not okay to act like it’s so super obvious that everyone else must be either stupid or lying. Some concepts of God are a lot more complicated than “I looked up and there wasn’t a big white beardy guy in the clouds, so I guess he doesn’t exist!”
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Atheists are everywhere — even in the pulpit!
“It’s NWOs deeds which are risible, and his inability to understand the meanest of concepts which is deserving of mockery, not what he believes.”
Aw crap. I find Subby’s beliefs pretty ridiculous too. And what that one guy believed about “Lolita” — that made me laugh for a good long while. Then again, I’m kind of a bad person.
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re Pharyngula: I like the posts. I can’t stand the comments. The level of reactionary vitriol, and casual abuse I see on them is (though in a different vein) reminiscent to me of the MRA comments sections. A fair number of posters are actively, even cruelly, hostile to those who aren’t atheists.
It’s a persistent subtext, and it’s expression there feels as offensive as the ways in which overtly religious sites abuse those who are atheists. As an inclusivist, it offends me.
Alright, Slavey. You’re making my life difficult here. Finding pictures of sexy nuns is as easy as finding pictures of sexy nurses or sexy Japanese schoolgirls. Protip: lots of people fetishize people in uniforms.
But doing a search for “sexy Jews” gives you lots of pictures of Natalie Portman and Andy Samberg and various other celebrities, not pictures of some sexy Jewish archetype. But after a bit of brainstorming, I came up with this:
http://thesocietypages.org/socimages/files/2010/07/women-idf-maxim-photo-3.jpg
“Hey, baby, I’d love to annex your territories!
And while I’m at it, paganism:
http://26.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_ktfw0yA4ON1qa6x5yo1_500.jpg
“Hey, girls, you want to dance around my pole?”
http://28.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_l6cmm1dCLJ1qa6x5yo1_400.jpg
“Hey, pretty lady, let’s you and me get skyclad.”
Ami, I know you only gave the giraffe better stats than the elephant because you’re a rotten, bigoted GRA.
To me, it is painfully obvious that there is no such thing as the deities that are described in the Bible, the Koran, the Torah, the Bhagavad-Gita, or any other religious text.
I don’t say, and haven’t said, that anyone who believes in them must be stupid or lying. I do believe that “stupid or lying” covers a lot of ground there, but that’s not all there is to it. Other alternatives include: “intelligent and lying,” and “intelligent and mistaken.”
Religion is, in my mind, a very toxic influence on society and the feelings of individual believers doesn’t mitigate the need to push back against this toxicity. In fact the very fact that people have been vocal about the way they see religion — i.e. as obviously false — is part of what has created the situation today, where it is possible to say that you don’t believe in god, and that’s okay. Because for a long time, it was totally NOT okay, and it’s still that way for a lot of people.
Christian privilege anyone?
Wait, wait, wait. Footslave’s been banned from The Spearhead? But, that means MRA’s are intolerant of dissent within their ranks. THAT’S UNPOSSIBLE!
(but it does explain why he spends so much time here.)
Bee: I find his beliefs more than a little ridiculous. If he didn’t espouse them as 1: Plain truth, and 2: Something we all know but refuse to admit and 3: pretend his non-answers refuted us… I’d ignore him.
I tried that for awhile, but his actions were just too much.
That, and his outright lying.
Dave, all I’m asking is that everyone admit that it’s “in” for a lack of better term to mock Christianity. No one every feels bad about putting down Christianity. Even the MSM. It’s accepted to be and OK thing to do.