Today, a trip down memory lane to revisit an until-recently lost classic of modern misogyny: Jay Hammers’ “The Age of Consent is Misandry.” The piece, originally published on Jay Hammers’Men’s Rights blog, inspired some heated discussions amongst MRAs online, with some harshly criticizing the piece as an apologia for pedophilia and others hailing it as a “politically incorrect” masterpiece. Stung by the criticism, Hammers ultimately took his blog down. But the piece has since been resurrected on the Human-Stupidity blog – another blog that seems rather unhealthily obsessed with the supposed injustice of men not being allowed to fuck underage girls.
Here are some of its highlights (that is, lowlights); the headlines are mine.
ALL ABOUT THE MENZ
The arbitrary age of consent is not about protecting women/girls. It is about valuing females and their virtue over males and their freedom. The intent of the laws is to stop older men from having sex with younger women and that is how it is enforced. It was never intended to stop younger men from having sex with older women.
MORE BETA BLUES
Age of consent laws are designed to punish beta males. A beta male in his 20s, unsuccessful with women his own age who are infused with a sense of feminist entitlement and deride all but the top alpha males who take interest in them, who seeks companionship with a younger, sexually mature female who desires him, should not go to prison for acting on that which is normal male sexuality.
FEMINISTS WHO SUPPORT AGE OF CONSENT LAWS ARE TREATING WOMEN LIKE CHILDREN
If we are to treat women as children then we should be consistent. Young women who have sex with older men are as much victims as women who have sex with a pick-up artist after meeting at a club. In both cases, feminists are angry because the woman has been “fooled” into having sex with a less than ideal mate in terms of value. …
This is what makes feminists angry and this is why age of consent exists still today, because it is assumed women are not mentally mature enough to give consent AND because older women want to limit men’s options to increase their own value in the sexual marketplace.
BUT WOMEN ARE CHILDREN, BASICALLY
Older women … are generally not of a much higher intelligence level than teenage girls. The big difference between the two is that older women are less attractive and that is what makes them so damn angry. …
Females generally do not significantly mature mentally past puberty so it should always be illegal for any woman to have sex or it should never be illegal for any woman to have sex. There is no arbitrary age where females suddenly become self-aware, realizing the consequences of their actions, and stop seeking out alpha males. Thus there must not be an arbitrary age of consent for sex.
A MODEST PROPOSAL
If anything, it should be illegal for women to have sex with men until men have been educated on the truths of women, Marriage 2.0, Game, feminism, and men’s rights.
Discuss?
First of all, don’t run late. Something my father taught me “If you’re running late it’s because you didn’t leave early enough.”
Secondly, I take no delight in you’re being irradiated. Just because you’re stupid doesn’t mean that I wish you physical harm.
See? NWOSub is proudly proclaiming his contempt for the entire concept of independently verifiable facts. He thinks science and medicine are a farce. There’s no point talking to him, unless you want to mock him. Yes, he is a lot like Sarah Palin. She is, after all, a creationist, and like creationists, NWOSub is unable to distinguish between his feelings and objective facts. He thinks they are the same thing, which is why he just says things like, “Life expectency now is shorter than before” and “Older men who pursue teenage girls NEVER have domination and control on their minds.” He just makes it up, and it’s true for him because it FEELS true. It’s Colbert’s truthiness in a nutshell.
Argh. I must be dehydrated. “…no delight in your being irradiated.”
NWOSlave – What hatred? I did mention this was a FRIEND of mine. I think he’s a good guy. I think he was a little silly to try to date a 16 year old at his age, but, whatever, I’ve done some silly things in my day – I dated a 19 year old at age 25 briefly. That was also a bad idea even though no age-of-consent laws were impacted. We were just at different life stages and it didn’t work out, same as my friend and his high school girlfriend. We just lost touch, nothing happened to make the friendship blow up. “Dumped” is an expression for breaking up with someone in an unceremonious fashion. From what I heard of what happened I think it applies. He was pretty heartbroken. I knew better than to say “I told you so” because it wouldn’t have helped anything. Relationships between people with significant age disparity sometimes work out but more often than not they don’t.
NWOslave doesn’t bother me as much because he’s so obviously out there, but David K. Meller’s attempt to sound “reasonable” while spouting the most vile misogynistic bullshit makes me want to kick him in the balls, which is an unreasonable reaction to his unreasonable statement.
The reasonable thing to do is try to approach him with reason.
So David, let’s pretend that your infantilization of women bore any semblance to human reality…
Other than the major issue here with your assumption that we need Teh Menz protection from other men in the first place, the second worse assumption you’re making here is that dangerous men don’t become fathers and husbands. In your Bizarro world where there aren’t any age of consent laws, just the guidance of husbands and fathers, where is the protection for the daughters – and I’m using that word deliberately, as the homophobia in much of the MRM would likely protect sons through laws labeling adult men who prey on male children as homosexuals, and homosexuality would be illegal considering that homophobia has much of its roots in misogyny and the patriarchy – where is the protection for the daughters being molested by their fathers?
You might argue that the protection would be through anti-incest laws, but pedophiles are creative. The same way they share tips and child pornography, they would skirt anti-incest laws by sharing their children. Without age of consent laws, where would the protection be?
I’d ask about the protection of wives who are raped by their husbands, but I suspect you, like many of your disgusting ilk, are the type who argues that rape within marriage isn’t possible, that upon getting married, a woman surrenders all personal autonomy to her husband.
The logical outcome of David’s views is the enslavement of all women. Since they are as children, they must be cared for as children. They can’t vote, they can’t own property, they can’t go to college or have a career, they certainly can’t run for office, they can’t start their own businesses, etc.
You know, just like in the good old days. And that was the exact same reasoning used to justify treating women as chattel then, too. And it was the same reasoning used to justify treating black people like chattel.
A quick aside: his pseudo-intellectualism and pretentious prose aside… I kind of like Meller. His a misogynistic racist and makes no bones about it. I deplore his beliefs and disagree vehemently. But I respect his honesty.
That said, Tabby Lavalamp, your points are all good ones.
Basically all those things you are saying I “forgot to mention” are things I DON’T ACTUALLY THINK. Based on what you’re ASSUMING I think you’re accusing me of hatred I don’t feel. Stop putting words in people’s mouths. The hatred is all in your head.
SallyStrange….Ahhh a creationist.
Quick question, which you won’t/can’t answer.
Have you ever seen the DNA graphs with all the little dots to show your lineage center of distribution?
Now if you count those little dots they average about 250.
You will have one more than your mother as will I.
These dots/generations are transferred thru the mother genes.
Now since there is an average of 250 dots/generations equalling 5000 years. And there are 4 genetic distinctions. Why does (science) discount this?
So if you trace your lineage down thru the generations everyone alive came from 4 pairs of ancestors precisely 5000 years ago. Science bears this out. It is incontrovertable.
Why do you care what science does or doesn’t bear out, NWOSub? You already said it was a farce. Yet now you’re making an appeal to scientific credibility (incoherently of course since you don’t even understand what you’re saying).
See? He contradicts himself within the space of 20 minutes again.
True, Sally, but unlike so many other MRA’s, Meller isn’t trying to pretend otherwise. The man has problems with the 14th amendment for heaven’s sake. He genuinely believes women and ethnic minorities are inferior to White men and doesn’t try to pretty it up with bullshit avuncularity or faux concern.
He believes that women should be property, or at least considered so legally, and that ethnic minorities are inferior. He puts it right out there. He isn’t trying to pretend that what he advocates will increase equality. He’s against equality.
SallyStrange…The point is they are lying to you Sally. If as you’ve been indoctrinate in school that we all came from lucy, 200,000 years ago you would have 10,000 of those dots not 250. You’re being lied to. Thats the point.
Sally, NWO has no consistent belief system. If he weren’t so entrenched in his own anti-intellectualism he’d respond to your charges of contradiction by quoting Whitman. Or at least Emerson.
But he can’t have a consistent belief system. If he did then his brain would explode.
NWO, is science a farce or not? If science is a farce then all science is a farce. You shouldn’t even be on a computer right now.
US Life Expectancy, 1850-2004 http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0005140.html
More on the subject, including a useful historical chart that looks at estimated average life expectancy over human history and prehistory: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Life_expectancy
Yes, NWO, there were people in the ancient world who lived into their 60s and older. Quite a few, actually. One major cause of the lower life expectancies back then was that infant mortality was much higher than it is today; if you survived infancy there was a good chance that you would live a lot longer than the average life expectancy. But of course if you die as an infant, you’re still dead. Which means that no matter how you slice it, life expectancy has increased drastically in the last 500 years.
EDIT: Reworded a sentence to be more accurate.
Computers aren’t science! Computers are engineering 😉
Could I ask you all to refer to David K. Meller as DKM? Or at least something that is not “David.”
I think I speak for most Davids when I say that we do not want to be associated with Mr. Meller or his ideas.
PEACE AND FREEDOM!!!11!!!
Oh my god, poor, poor Subby! He’s being slowly killed by the gubmint. And why? Because he’s a MAN. Doing a HARD job, like men do. And because he knows he TRUTH. What truth? The truth THEY don’t want you to know. Like how they’re selling his birth certificate on the stock market. Yours too! Why? For PROFIT. Poor, poor Subby.
Of course, despite all this killing of Subby, he’s also healthier than people HALF his age. It appears to be a paradox, but somehow it’s not. Oh, also, life expectancies are the same around the world. TRUFAX! And please ignore historical infant mortality rates — they were made up by the Rockefellers.
I’m glad someone finds David K. Meller refreshing. I find his hatred boring as hell and somewhat nauseating also. But I expect being a small, angry, entitled, deeply stupid person is punishment in itself.
Ah yes, the ever-endearing Women are Children! And also ONLY Women should raise Children! Because of…
I’ve seen the charts before Dave.
If I go by these numbers without knowing anything about history I can say that Russian life expectancy 1940-45 was deplorable. “They just didn’t live very long back in those days.” While that statement I just made is “factually” true. It’s also total bullshit.
Sorry, I forgot step 3:
3) Profit!!!!!
Hey Bee, go get a mamography every month. I’ll bet you get breast cancer within 5 years. Prove me wrong.
Doesn’t matter if he is thinking about it or not. A sixteen year old can’t even legally sign a cell phone contract. Why should we expect them to better negotiate something like safe sex or no sex if they don’t want to?If there’s a pregnancy, they cannot even establish their own household. Even if the sixteen year old has a job they cannot legally sign a contract, like an apartment lease. Should the age for these things be lowered as well then?
It apparently does cross the mind of some men, since for a portion of the MRA set women should be submissive. Why a need for submission if it’s just about love?
If the world were the way DKM wants the only consent is given by a father when he gives the young girl to her husband.
Xtra…can a 16 year old girl get an abortion? How’d that happen?
Plymouth, I love that. Seriously, my folks are engineers and my father tells some variation of that joke all the time. Of course, he’s actually joking and believes in science but it always cracks my mom up.
Hey, Bee. I don’t know if I find Meller refreshing and saying that I “kind of like” him may have been a bit too flippant in tone. It’s kind of complicated…
I won’t presume to speak for all Black people but, in my experience as a Black woman who lives a life that is significantly less socially segregated than is standard, I meet a lot of White people who will say incredibly racist shit right to my face and insist that they mean no harm. And this runs the gamut from insensitive questions that assume I must have children, or that I’m the nanny of my friend’s son (small annoyances) to things like “Nobinayamu, you’re Black and you and your family seem like nice people. What’s up with all those lazy ass Black people in the ghetto?” Don’t even get me started on some of the bigotry within progressive politics.
Which is all just to say that there’s always something a little, well -yeah- refreshing for all that the word feels inappropriate- to the kind of Archie Bunker style bigotry of someone like Meller.