Today, a trip down memory lane to revisit an until-recently lost classic of modern misogyny: Jay Hammers’ “The Age of Consent is Misandry.” The piece, originally published on Jay Hammers’Men’s Rights blog, inspired some heated discussions amongst MRAs online, with some harshly criticizing the piece as an apologia for pedophilia and others hailing it as a “politically incorrect” masterpiece. Stung by the criticism, Hammers ultimately took his blog down. But the piece has since been resurrected on the Human-Stupidity blog – another blog that seems rather unhealthily obsessed with the supposed injustice of men not being allowed to fuck underage girls.
Here are some of its highlights (that is, lowlights); the headlines are mine.
ALL ABOUT THE MENZ
The arbitrary age of consent is not about protecting women/girls. It is about valuing females and their virtue over males and their freedom. The intent of the laws is to stop older men from having sex with younger women and that is how it is enforced. It was never intended to stop younger men from having sex with older women.
MORE BETA BLUES
Age of consent laws are designed to punish beta males. A beta male in his 20s, unsuccessful with women his own age who are infused with a sense of feminist entitlement and deride all but the top alpha males who take interest in them, who seeks companionship with a younger, sexually mature female who desires him, should not go to prison for acting on that which is normal male sexuality.
FEMINISTS WHO SUPPORT AGE OF CONSENT LAWS ARE TREATING WOMEN LIKE CHILDREN
If we are to treat women as children then we should be consistent. Young women who have sex with older men are as much victims as women who have sex with a pick-up artist after meeting at a club. In both cases, feminists are angry because the woman has been “fooled” into having sex with a less than ideal mate in terms of value. …
This is what makes feminists angry and this is why age of consent exists still today, because it is assumed women are not mentally mature enough to give consent AND because older women want to limit men’s options to increase their own value in the sexual marketplace.
BUT WOMEN ARE CHILDREN, BASICALLY
Older women … are generally not of a much higher intelligence level than teenage girls. The big difference between the two is that older women are less attractive and that is what makes them so damn angry. …
Females generally do not significantly mature mentally past puberty so it should always be illegal for any woman to have sex or it should never be illegal for any woman to have sex. There is no arbitrary age where females suddenly become self-aware, realizing the consequences of their actions, and stop seeking out alpha males. Thus there must not be an arbitrary age of consent for sex.
A MODEST PROPOSAL
If anything, it should be illegal for women to have sex with men until men have been educated on the truths of women, Marriage 2.0, Game, feminism, and men’s rights.
Discuss?
That includes men, btw.
@Holly or Men’s Rights Cheerleader xD
I’ll do things for myself, but I’m not going to waste my time on people far more fortunate than me.
Such as? :3
I should point out that I also work to support trans men and to advocate for male victims of violence, because:
A) They’re human
B) I’d hope that they’d do the same for me should our positions ever be reversed
and
C) It’s not all about ME ME ME.
It strikes me that if Manboobz was a TV show, Eoghan would be the equivalent of this guy xD
…say, I’m sort of sure I know the answer to this, but I’d love to be proven wrong:
What do these MRA dudes think of gay and trans men?
Psst, David: I googled it. BUT I had my suspicions. He’s like herpes. The gift that just keeps giving.
“I’ll do things for myself, but I’m not going to waste my time on people far more fortunate than me.”
I’m surprised* you can’t think of anyone LESS fortunate than you, Mr. Al. Really? I mean, I know you’re burdened under the weight of being slightly shorter than the average man — and the heartbreak of stubby fingers! Stop it! My heart is breaking! — but you have a place to sleep, and enough food to eat, right?
Helping people who are worse off than you would probably put your horrible life into perspective, Mr. Al. Find a group that works with refugees, or homeless youth, or prisoners. Go to Appalachia and do hands-on work to improve working conditions in mines. Go to Haiti and build a schoolhouse for kids. See what real hardship is. It might make you a better person.
*Not really.
MRAL, you seem to believe everyone’s more fortunate than you are. And that reflects such a narrow view of the world. If we’re going to limit the discussion to the concerns men face–do you really think you’re worse off than a man forced into the life of a soldier as a child? Do you really think your situation is worse than that of a gay man in Uganda, or of a seriously disabled man without health insurance? If you are going to fight for men’s rights by all means to do so, but don’t credit yourself as an officer in a war that you’re not actually participating in.
I’d rather not have enough to eat and none of my personal disadvantages. But since I’m not allowed to talk about my disadvantages here, I guess we need to end the conversation.
MRAL:
I think this is relevant, if not I’ll back off. But seriously, do you know how many men in the world would, in an instant, trade places with you to not have to go hungry another day? Or to have a house to live in, or even just clothing? What is wrong with you?
@Holly other than NWO talking about helping trans ppl as oppressing cis white men… I’ve found that they tend to just avoid talking about trans ppl in general when it comes up here xD
http://www.the-spearhead.com/2009/12/01/suicidal-tendencies/
however that’s an article about how at least some MRAs see trans ppl (and the comments elaborate… they get v hung up on Asian trans girls at one point which is hilarious xD )
what’s interesting is, other than the idea of who is transitioning to get what privilege (FtMs to get male privilege for rad fems, MtFs to get female privilege for MRAs), radfems and MRAs (and transphobic evangelical christians, family groups, conservatives etc etc) share the same attitudes in general… MtFs will never be female (this is one of the few times you’ll see gender socialization mentioned w/ MRAs, and w/ the SAME ARGUMENT that radfems make about mtfs xD ) , MtFs are gross, they’re screwed up and need mental help.. the love of Blanchard’s theories , etc etc… and while FtMs are bad too, they kinda agree w/ radfems again.. they’re “women” pushed to transition by thinking it’s the only way to do masculine things (by either the feminist agenda, or the patriarchy) … and even tho they dun like them, at least the OP seems to feel a kinship to them, they have no female privilege, they have to endure the slings and arrows of being men.. etc etc (honestly I thinkt he reason why the narratives are so s imilar among all transphobes is that it’s a gut reaction to how they feel about trans ppl, justified by their ideology… so the reaction to trans women is worse cuz it’s more visibly visceral in their imagination and societal depictions of us -_- )
enjoy xD
MRAL, you didn’t actually answer my question. I’d like it if you did. Otherwise it leads me to believe that cowardice is really is the reason you hide behind a handle and bitch at strangers.
“I’d rather not have enough to eat and none of my personal disadvantages.”
Wow.
WOW.
You really are a jackass. An entitled, privileged, whiny jackass.
I mean, listen. I get that everyone’s problems are their own, I really do. I get it that, at times, everyone’s problems are going to seem like the biggest, most important, most insurmountable problems that anyone’s ever faced. But the fact that you without fail think you are worse off than anyone else, ever, really, really blows my mind.
Volunteer at hospice. Volunteer with someone who’s dying of pancreatic cancer and can’t eat. Or with a soldier who doesn’t even have legs. Oh, I know, you would rather have two weeks to live in constant pain than be a tiny bit shorter than someone else. Boo hoo.
@MRAL would you trade your current life, university, etc etc to not be your height and other physical appearance stuff and live out of a car and not eat for 200 days while working a menial job for 18 hour days?
“I’d rather not have enough to eat and none of my personal disadvantages.”
Spoken like someone who’s never gone hungry. I have, though not on a regular basis, and trust me. I’d rather have hereditary spherocytosis and bipolar disorder than not have enough food to eat.
Mr. Al would totally go hungry! If only he could be 6’1″ and a facial alpha!
A HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA!
Sorry, I know I shouldn’t laugh at that, but really? Being average height and average looking is totes worse than semi-starvation? For your own stupid sake I hope you never find out by personal experience exactly how stupid that statement it.
@Ami – I like to imagine the pulsating black heart of misandry bursting out of the oiled chest of Mr. Steele up there. Kind of like the chest-burster scene in Alien.
It would then sing “Hello my baby” and do a little tap-dance number.
(Also I think the thread has moved on since your reply to my last comment, but I think I get you now. Your perspective has given me lots of food for thought. The tasty kind XD)
“Being average height and average looking is totes worse than semi-starvation?”
Yes. It is. I don’t know what else to say.
To be fair, MRAL does have significant disadvantages, to wit:
-Body dysmorphic disorder in regards to his totally ordinary body, with total lack of insight
-A good deal of social anxiety/awkwardness, I’m guessing
-Anger management problems that further hinder his ability to connect with others
-Having fallen in, at a young age, with a group of people who want to use his pain as fuel for hatred, and thereby keep him in pain indefinitely, rather than help him.
And although I still think it’s better than going hungry, I’m sure it is tremendously wearying to be in that amount of psychological pain. MRAL may have a lot of advantages in life, but between his unfortunately self-reinforcing mental problems, the influence of the MRAs, and his own choices–I don’t think it’s real fun to be MRAL.
And Ami, what do I get? Two eyes, over 6’1, and at least somewhat facially attractive?
If so, the answer is an emphatic YES. In a second.
Somebody remember to tell NWO that MRAL thinks his life is better than being short, next time he’s around xD
@Holly I hope you saw the link :3
I think it would be more fun to be Mr. Al if he gained a little perspective about his problems and was able to appreciate what he has.
But what do I know? I’m a person who has a less than ideal life, and I wouldn’t give it up for anything.
Sarah, I thought I answered your question. I’ll help myself, but not my fellow man, because most of the people I “help” are actually better off than me. Probably alphas that weasel into benefiting the most anyways.
@MRAL:
How about this then. What hypothetical situation can you think of being in that would be worse than the one you are in now?
Ami – I did. It’s just… depressing. It’s the kind of thing I’ve almost trained myself not to read because there’s so damn much of it out there and there’s no arguing with hatred that’s developed and festered to that level. It’s like reading goddamn YouTube comments.
Although this part struck me as particularly hypocritical:
In our downward slide to matriarchy, empathy is set at an uncontrollable gush. Our master-nannies live in constant fear of passing judgement on anyone they see as weak or threatened or “oppressed.” They want to rock every runaway to sleep, to say “yes” to everything, to coddle and encourage every childish fantasy, to indulge every impulse, no matter how misguided it seems.
Fancy words from a group of guys who think they’re threatened and oppressed and want people to have empathy for them.
REALITY SHOW PITCH TIME!
Two mentally unstable misogynists, each convinced that the world is run by a feminist cabal of sperm-stealing harpies hungry for alpha cock and child support, but equally convinced that the other misogynist is a weirdo and quite possibly a mangina, switch places. Hilarity ensues!
Watch NWO try to chat up women in elevators by telling them all about the dangers of mammograms, ionized radiation, and the Rothchilds! Watch Mr. Al try to classify the members of the 9/11 Truther group in terms of the Greek system, deal with 200 straight days of food deprivation, and try to avoid being spit on by alpha bitches as he pickets an abortion clinic! Watch them compete for each week’s Pussy Pass in weekly wacky challenges such as:
Who feels the most sorry for himself!
Who willfully misunderstands medical science the most!
Who has more detailed violent fantasies about total strangers!
And much, much more! It’s just one wacky adventure after another with these two.
All I have to do is come up with a good title, then I’m golden. I’ll remember to thank y’all when I get my Emmy. :PPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPP