Today, a trip down memory lane to revisit an until-recently lost classic of modern misogyny: Jay Hammers’ “The Age of Consent is Misandry.” The piece, originally published on Jay Hammers’Men’s Rights blog, inspired some heated discussions amongst MRAs online, with some harshly criticizing the piece as an apologia for pedophilia and others hailing it as a “politically incorrect” masterpiece. Stung by the criticism, Hammers ultimately took his blog down. But the piece has since been resurrected on the Human-Stupidity blog – another blog that seems rather unhealthily obsessed with the supposed injustice of men not being allowed to fuck underage girls.
Here are some of its highlights (that is, lowlights); the headlines are mine.
ALL ABOUT THE MENZ
The arbitrary age of consent is not about protecting women/girls. It is about valuing females and their virtue over males and their freedom. The intent of the laws is to stop older men from having sex with younger women and that is how it is enforced. It was never intended to stop younger men from having sex with older women.
MORE BETA BLUES
Age of consent laws are designed to punish beta males. A beta male in his 20s, unsuccessful with women his own age who are infused with a sense of feminist entitlement and deride all but the top alpha males who take interest in them, who seeks companionship with a younger, sexually mature female who desires him, should not go to prison for acting on that which is normal male sexuality.
FEMINISTS WHO SUPPORT AGE OF CONSENT LAWS ARE TREATING WOMEN LIKE CHILDREN
If we are to treat women as children then we should be consistent. Young women who have sex with older men are as much victims as women who have sex with a pick-up artist after meeting at a club. In both cases, feminists are angry because the woman has been “fooled” into having sex with a less than ideal mate in terms of value. …
This is what makes feminists angry and this is why age of consent exists still today, because it is assumed women are not mentally mature enough to give consent AND because older women want to limit men’s options to increase their own value in the sexual marketplace.
BUT WOMEN ARE CHILDREN, BASICALLY
Older women … are generally not of a much higher intelligence level than teenage girls. The big difference between the two is that older women are less attractive and that is what makes them so damn angry. …
Females generally do not significantly mature mentally past puberty so it should always be illegal for any woman to have sex or it should never be illegal for any woman to have sex. There is no arbitrary age where females suddenly become self-aware, realizing the consequences of their actions, and stop seeking out alpha males. Thus there must not be an arbitrary age of consent for sex.
A MODEST PROPOSAL
If anything, it should be illegal for women to have sex with men until men have been educated on the truths of women, Marriage 2.0, Game, feminism, and men’s rights.
Discuss?
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Oh, Ami, thanks for the thanks on the other thread. I’m sorry you were feeling … the way you were last night. You deserve only wonderfulness. And kittens!
Come Ami, meet me in the tower!
*thunder and lightning flash through the night sky*
Yes, yes, the time is right. The thread is on the table! Pull the switch Ami!
*Ami pulls the switch, the thread rises slowly through an opening in the roof*
*It slowly comes back down, the blanket is shifting slightly*
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Hi yall.
And hi again, NWO, had some family stuff to attend to. Do you have that stuff proving we came from a group of 4 common ancestors 5000 years ago?
Just catching up here.
I don’t know what ngz is talking about with regard to moderation. I pulled a couple of comments out of moderation about an hour ago, and I don’t recall any of them being from him. In any case, all of his comments are up now; there are none from him in my “pending” folder, the spam folder, or the trash folder. I checked.
Also, ngz, I use The Spearhead as an example frequently because it’s a popular site with a number of contributors who are sort of big names in the MRA world; there are lots of comments there and because people vote on them we can see how individual comments are received. But if you want, you can replace “the spearhead” with ANY OF THE OTHER SITES IN MY BOOB ROLL and find similar levels of misogyny on them (some are more misogynistic, some (like Reddit Men’s Rights) less.
Not sure why I’m trying to argue with him because it’s clear he has, as some has said, an essentially religious attitude towards the MRM, and is unwilling to actually discuss anything in good faith.
I’m also beginning to suspect that he’s, well, the reincarnation of someone who used to post on this site a lot.
Pecunium had one comment held that’s relevant to the question of the mysterious misogyny-free MRA site. Referring to the site that ngz posted as an example of one, Pecumium said:
The site in question is: http://masculism.ca/
Take a look and see what you think!
PEACE AND FREEDOM!!11!!!
Quiz! Who posted this comment on Man Boobz?
Who posted this comment?
Eoghan just never gives up, eh?
Actually, I take that back; I think one of ngz’s comments WAS held, but it’s up now.
But that may be moot because it’s pretty clear to me that ngz is … drumroll … the third (I think) incarnation of … EOGHAN!!
The two quotes I posted above were from Eoghan; you’ll notice he uses a couple of arguments (and almost the exact same wording) that ngz has used, again and again and again, in his comments in this thread, namely:
*that it’s unfair to mock commenters on the spearhead and elsewhere because they are abuse victims that I’m “exploiting” by quoting.
*that when feminists say things he disagrees with about rape and abuse their comments are “false allegations and insinuations about abuse and rape.” (Note: he’s not talking about allegations of actual rape or abuse directed at an individual here, but saying things on the topic of rape or abuse that he disagrees with.)
So, Eoghan, here’s your chance: come clean and explain exactly why you think I should let you post here, and I may just let you continue to post here.
OR ngz, if you are NOT Eoghan and you can make a coherent argument explaining why you have the exact same obsessions as Eoghan and use the exact same language that he does, I’ll let you keep posting.
I haven’t put you on moderation yet. Ball’s in your court:
Oh hey! Eoghan! That guy trolled my blog too!
…This further confirms my suspicion that there are only about twenty MRAs in the world.
Eoghan?!? Man, I’ve heard you spoken in of in and around the fymynyst blygosphere, like a legend or something. NICE to meet you, man.
@MRAL:
For a legend, he sure doesn’t like to use his actual name. Sockpuppetry is hardly an admirable trait.
MRAL, he is deeply stupid. Look for a hero if you will, but try to locate one with better reasoning abilities.
Not saying Eoghan’s a hero, but he is quite well-respected in the MRA community for his work in taking the feminists to task. He’s at the pulsing black heart of misandry, the feminist blogosphere, in fact he spends most of his time there, as opposed to comfortable MRA forums. Admirable, IMO.
Oh dear god. Do you realize how completely out of touch with reality that sounds? Oh fantastic, he trolls internet blogs! What a soldier! Way to go, Eoghan, manning the real front lines! It takes a real man to hide behind a fake name and whine.
You mean respected in the same way that Dr. Dino or William Lane. Craig are respected in the Creationist community? I’d second sarahejones, you really do need to find better heros… At least WLC is actually intelligent, even if he gets nearly everything wrong.
“Way to go, Eoghan, manning the real front lines! It takes a real man to hide behind a fake name and whine.” – sarahejones
Yeah, pretty much this.
“MRAL, he is deeply stupid.”
Well the kids on Yahoo! Answers certainly look up to him.
Oh, what … does that totally prove your point? Whoops. The kids on Yahoo! Answers look up to anything that can formulate a sizzling response to a nematode.
Today, I was out on the street (the actual street! pavement! no pixels!) gathering signatures in support of a bill that will expand my state’s anti-discrimination law to prohibit housing and employment discrimination on basis of gender identity. It was a few hours of hard work and not a great payoff, but we did get some signatures to show to state senators who are on the fence about this bill.
And I’m not like some mega-activist feminist. I’m just a part-time volunteer for an organization that has full-time employees.
And your idea of activism is going to unfriendly websites so you can troll under fake names?
@Holly: Ditto! I hand out free condoms and info on STDs, and I participate in rallies and lobbying days. I even organized a rally of my own. And I write (though my blog is in dire need of an update). Plus, I work voluntarily for a Muslim women’s rights organization called Femin Ijitihad.
So Eoghan, what have you done lately? What about you, MRAL?
I don’t owe anyone jack shit, that’s for sure.
Not even yourself, or your fellow men, MRAL? With that attitude you’ll change nothing. It’s cowardice, simply cowardice, and you will never affect more than some comments on a blog. Congratulations. You’re a true fighter for men’s rights.
@Sarahejane @Holly Exactly xD And as listed above, some of us are actually working w/ men’s shelters.. but apparently we’re all just dirty feminists, and the real heroes are the ones who troll blogs xD
Ooh! That’s a good one.
FWIW, Eoghan was banned from this blog when it was over on blogspot, so that’s why he’s using fake names. The last time he did this, I think I offered to let him post again if he just came clean about his sockpuppetry, but he simply vanished instead.
So I’ll make the same offer again: Come clean, and you can post here. (Though, as is the case with everyone else here, if you act like a total douche I’ll put you on at least temporary moderation.)
Having moderation as an option for individuals makes it much easier to deal with obnoxious people! Thanks, wordpress!
(Props to Bee for figuring out the culprit before I announced it.)
I’ll do things for myself, but I’m not going to waste my time on people far more fortunate than me.
I don’t owe anyone either! But I really believe in gender equality, so I’m willing to go out there and work voluntarily that my home can become safer and more fair for people of all genders.
That’s activism. It’s not working so you can buy dinner or pay the rent; it’s working so you can live in a better world. It’s a privilege to have the free time and energy to do it, but since I have that privilege, I’m glad I can make the most of it.
It almost seems silly to clarify this, but: what I do here, on Manboobz, is socialization and entertainment. It’s not activism in any significant way. Writing my blog is a little more activist but pretty borderline; it’s only when I get out to rallies and volunteer and act as a victim advocate at my job in the real world that I can think of myself as a real activist.
If leaving Internet comments is the extent of your “activism,” maybe “men’s rights supporter” would be a better phrase.
“the pulsing black heart of misandry”
We’re apparently like the Black Lanterns xD