Today, a trip down memory lane to revisit an until-recently lost classic of modern misogyny: Jay Hammers’ “The Age of Consent is Misandry.” The piece, originally published on Jay Hammers’Men’s Rights blog, inspired some heated discussions amongst MRAs online, with some harshly criticizing the piece as an apologia for pedophilia and others hailing it as a “politically incorrect” masterpiece. Stung by the criticism, Hammers ultimately took his blog down. But the piece has since been resurrected on the Human-Stupidity blog – another blog that seems rather unhealthily obsessed with the supposed injustice of men not being allowed to fuck underage girls.
Here are some of its highlights (that is, lowlights); the headlines are mine.
ALL ABOUT THE MENZ
The arbitrary age of consent is not about protecting women/girls. It is about valuing females and their virtue over males and their freedom. The intent of the laws is to stop older men from having sex with younger women and that is how it is enforced. It was never intended to stop younger men from having sex with older women.
MORE BETA BLUES
Age of consent laws are designed to punish beta males. A beta male in his 20s, unsuccessful with women his own age who are infused with a sense of feminist entitlement and deride all but the top alpha males who take interest in them, who seeks companionship with a younger, sexually mature female who desires him, should not go to prison for acting on that which is normal male sexuality.
FEMINISTS WHO SUPPORT AGE OF CONSENT LAWS ARE TREATING WOMEN LIKE CHILDREN
If we are to treat women as children then we should be consistent. Young women who have sex with older men are as much victims as women who have sex with a pick-up artist after meeting at a club. In both cases, feminists are angry because the woman has been “fooled” into having sex with a less than ideal mate in terms of value. …
This is what makes feminists angry and this is why age of consent exists still today, because it is assumed women are not mentally mature enough to give consent AND because older women want to limit men’s options to increase their own value in the sexual marketplace.
BUT WOMEN ARE CHILDREN, BASICALLY
Older women … are generally not of a much higher intelligence level than teenage girls. The big difference between the two is that older women are less attractive and that is what makes them so damn angry. …
Females generally do not significantly mature mentally past puberty so it should always be illegal for any woman to have sex or it should never be illegal for any woman to have sex. There is no arbitrary age where females suddenly become self-aware, realizing the consequences of their actions, and stop seeking out alpha males. Thus there must not be an arbitrary age of consent for sex.
A MODEST PROPOSAL
If anything, it should be illegal for women to have sex with men until men have been educated on the truths of women, Marriage 2.0, Game, feminism, and men’s rights.
Discuss?
Sigh, anytime you have interaction between two or more people, you have interaction between people. How hard is that to figure out? The power dynamic is a description of that interaction under certain circumstances. Older people have unequal bargaining power over underage people, due to social rights of adulthood and age as well as due to emotional/social experience. “Is sex a means to gain power in a relationship…” For some people, men and women, yes, as well as the converse (using power to gain sex).
Nobinayamu…
“Good point, Amiangel. NWO, what happened to the pure, pure love? And, you know, the love making? All of a sudden it’s casual sex with a 16 year old you’ve just met?”
In my scenario “she” was offering sex to me. Although I went to jail, I was accountable for her offer/actions.
@NWO ” Although I went to jail, I was accountable for her offer/actions.” No, you are accountable for you own actions. You can say “no” and not have sex with her. Shocking, isn’t it?
“Again, men don’t think of sex as a means to an end. It is a pleasurable act shared between a man and a woman. If you believe in the acquiring or use of sex as a power dynamic that is your way of thinking, not a mans.”
I never thought I’d read anyone stating that male doms and male sadists don’t exist, but Slavey seems to have done it.
NWO:
Seriously?
“In my scenario “she” was offering sex to me. Although I went to jail, I was accountable for her offer/actions.”
You can’t be jailed if someone underaged offers you sex. You are jailed if you actually have sex with someone who is under aged. You are held accountable for your actions and your actions alone.
NWO – If a teenager offers you sex, you say “no,” and I promise you won’t be accountable for her actions. Saying “yes” and going through with it are YOUR actions.
8 frogs were sitting on a log. One decided to jump off. How many were left?
8– because deciding to jump isn’t the same as jumping. 8)
No, darksidecat, NWO can’t say no. Way, way, back when I asked why a man who loved a underaged girl (’cause of course back then it was all about love) can’t wait for her to be of age, NWO refused to answer the question. Which basically means that he can’t wait. Or won’t wait. And he wouldn’t be responsible for his actions because responsibility is merely a vague concept. Like consistency and integrity. They’re words to be hurled at women like invective but have no bearing on his own values and character.
And of course, there are many many states where the age of consent is 16, but NWO will ignore this fact, like all facts. The reason he doesn’t have a sexual relationships with 16 year olds is because evil feminism has indoctrinated society.
I’m sure 16 year old girls country-wide, are filled with sorrow at this missed opportunity and shaking their fists at the sky.
@Molly Ren:
Apparently slavey only knows/cares about consenual loving sex between old men and underaged girls.
darksidecat… As Nobinayamu has pointed out the age of consent has risen dramatically over the last hundred or so years. When will it stop? If you, as a woman, think of sex as a means to gain power or control, what should I think about that?
Even in my little scenario with the beauty 16 year old girl, I wasn’t thinking in terms of “power.” She asked me, I said yes. There was no power dynamic.
@Kirby: “Apparently slavey only knows/cares about consenual loving sex between old men and underaged girls.”
Yah, I know. I have to amuse myself in this thread somehow. 😉
NWO, the age of consent has fluctuated. It’s been as low as 10 and as high as 21. It has not increased steadily without interruption over the years.
NWOSlave: Soon the 80-year-olds will be having all the sex.
NWO, you are not the only person in the world. Even if I believed you -and let’s be clear, I think you’re full of shit- and your little scenario about how NSA, power-dynamic free sex with a 16 year old girl, it wouldn’t be applicable to every man, every where, at every time. Forever and ever, amen.
There are women who treat sex and the power dynamics that are involved far, far differently than I do. The fact that they are not like me, doesn’t mean that they don’t exist. Are you capable of understanding that everyone is not you?
NWO, the fact that you can construct a situation in which you have totally consensual uncomplicated sex with a teenager (albeit not one who behaves much like a human being) does not mean that it’s a good idea in general.
Read my stories, above–these are pretty mild examples of where it goes when there’s a relationship between an independent adult and a dependent child.
@Molly Ren:
Better yet, since he’s said that consent laws were put in place by feminists, its probably only 80-year-old women that will be having sex, probably with 14-year-old boys.
You know, if trends continue.
I posted this before but this is just too perfect.
It’s fluoride.
“Even in my little scenario with the beauty 16 year old girl, I wasn’t thinking in terms of “power.” She asked me, I said yes. There was no power dynamic.”
Of course you weren’t thinking in terms of “power.” It’s a completely fleshed out, true story of an actual nuanced, detailed loving relationship, and not just some imaginary scenario that you pulled out of your ass to make a point. And of course power is never sub rosa — whenever it’s in play, it’s something that even the stupidest bag of hammers would notice if it existed at all, right, my little bag of hammers?
@Kirbywarp…
“You can’t be jailed if someone underaged offers you sex. You are jailed if you actually have sex with someone who is under aged. You are held accountable for your actions and your actions alone.”
The only part you have right is I will be jailed. If she, the 16 year old beauty “offered” sex, she participated. She initiated. The only reason I go to jail is feminist jurisprudence has declared the nonsense of a power dynamic. I did no coercing, The offer and invitation was hers. I AM accountable for her action by saying “yes” to her invitation.
Does anyone else notice how NWO started with 18 year olds, then dropped to 17 and is now on 16? Adorable.
No, NWO, you’re accountable for your actions by having sex with her. If someone said “let’s steal a car” and you went with them, and helped them steal the car the cops are going to lock you up too. Feminism doesn’t have a fucking thing to do with it.
And, hey, in nearly half the states in the country, the age of consent is 16. How low will you drop the number in your next scenario?
It’s a little sad that for a moment, the thread shifted to what I think is the important thing here (having an honest society discussion about age of consent not just of sex but for all sorts of issues, and in general, when human beings can make decisions about their lives, personal choices, and body, and that this issue is about real young people and their rights, and what their limits should be and when, esp since a lot of the arguments are also used to limit control of their bodies in other situations, and for the same reasons “to protect you from making a mistake/being coerced” and that it’s about that, and not “omg I rly want to f- kids, why can’t I?” : ) and now it’s back to “omg it’s all about me, the grown guy and MY desires” -_-;;;
Tho I understand making him look ridic is more fun xD (and as I said, I actually just think this is something rly big and complex that our society needs to look at, not from our current laws as the “default” to disprove, but from an honest discussion and examination of when human beings should be able to decide what to do w/ their own bodies, so I dun mean “WE SHOULD HAVE THIS DISCUSSION NOW ON THIS THREAD”, is just kinda sad.. and hilarious xD)
NWOslave: So, she raped you?
@Nobinayamu
“There are women who treat sex and the power dynamics that are involved far, far differently than I do. The fact that they are not like me, doesn’t mean that they don’t exist. Are you capable of understanding that everyone is not you?”
Than why should I, or other men, be punished, (literally with incarceration) for the misdeeds of the few? And who has decided this? Your answer has to be your moral guide, your deity, the State.
Oh my god. I concede. You’re actually just stupid. Got it.
Because I continually refer to a SPECIFIC situation. And then you go and apply to all situations everywhere all the time because you think I believe men are teh evilz and all of them everywhere intend to exploit women!!!!1111!!!!1
Shut the fuck up. Seriously. If you can’t grasp the fact that I’m applying the phrase power dynamic to a very specific situation then you’re not worth the time.
NWO:
O__O
No seriously,
O__O
“The only reason I go to jail is feminist jurisprudence has declared the nonsense of a power dynamic. I did no coercing, The offer and invitation was hers. I AM accountable for her action by saying “yes” to her invitation.”
No, you are held responsible for your action of saying “yes”, not her action of offering. If you said “no” you would not be jailed. Also, I’m gonna make this really big and noticeable so you will see it.
YOU WILL NOT BE JAILED FOR HAVING SEX WITH A 16 YEAR OLD IN A STATE WHERE THE AGE OF CONSENT IS 16
Ami’s pointed this out earlier, and it probably deserves repeating. There is a shitload of nuance and gray area and so forth in this situation. If a young girl could knowingly and willingly offer to have sex, in other words, if she could consent, then the age of consent laws should be lower. If she can’t because of her age, then she cannot consent even when she offers sex. But we can’t have this debate with you, NWO, because you so willingly blast through nuance and present black and white scenarios. Any conceding on our part of “well, maybe a 15-16 year old could consent” would be met with a response by you of “feminism just wants to put all men in jail and call them rapists” or some shit.