Today, a trip down memory lane to revisit an until-recently lost classic of modern misogyny: Jay Hammers’ “The Age of Consent is Misandry.” The piece, originally published on Jay Hammers’Men’s Rights blog, inspired some heated discussions amongst MRAs online, with some harshly criticizing the piece as an apologia for pedophilia and others hailing it as a “politically incorrect” masterpiece. Stung by the criticism, Hammers ultimately took his blog down. But the piece has since been resurrected on the Human-Stupidity blog – another blog that seems rather unhealthily obsessed with the supposed injustice of men not being allowed to fuck underage girls.
Here are some of its highlights (that is, lowlights); the headlines are mine.
ALL ABOUT THE MENZ
The arbitrary age of consent is not about protecting women/girls. It is about valuing females and their virtue over males and their freedom. The intent of the laws is to stop older men from having sex with younger women and that is how it is enforced. It was never intended to stop younger men from having sex with older women.
MORE BETA BLUES
Age of consent laws are designed to punish beta males. A beta male in his 20s, unsuccessful with women his own age who are infused with a sense of feminist entitlement and deride all but the top alpha males who take interest in them, who seeks companionship with a younger, sexually mature female who desires him, should not go to prison for acting on that which is normal male sexuality.
FEMINISTS WHO SUPPORT AGE OF CONSENT LAWS ARE TREATING WOMEN LIKE CHILDREN
If we are to treat women as children then we should be consistent. Young women who have sex with older men are as much victims as women who have sex with a pick-up artist after meeting at a club. In both cases, feminists are angry because the woman has been “fooled” into having sex with a less than ideal mate in terms of value. …
This is what makes feminists angry and this is why age of consent exists still today, because it is assumed women are not mentally mature enough to give consent AND because older women want to limit men’s options to increase their own value in the sexual marketplace.
BUT WOMEN ARE CHILDREN, BASICALLY
Older women … are generally not of a much higher intelligence level than teenage girls. The big difference between the two is that older women are less attractive and that is what makes them so damn angry. …
Females generally do not significantly mature mentally past puberty so it should always be illegal for any woman to have sex or it should never be illegal for any woman to have sex. There is no arbitrary age where females suddenly become self-aware, realizing the consequences of their actions, and stop seeking out alpha males. Thus there must not be an arbitrary age of consent for sex.
A MODEST PROPOSAL
If anything, it should be illegal for women to have sex with men until men have been educated on the truths of women, Marriage 2.0, Game, feminism, and men’s rights.
Discuss?
NWO: There is no dynamic to a relationship. If women and feminists have been indoctrinated to believe a relationship between a man and a woman is a “power dynamic” that you are viewing sex as a means to an end. And that end is obviously about power and control.
Men don’t think like that. Sex is a pleasurable act that is an end unto itself.
I will agree with the last sentence, if it were stripped of context, but the rest of what you said is patently false. One might even say it was a bald-faced lie.
Because any number of men (like Roissey) see sex as nothing but a power trip. They devote large amounts of time and effort to codifying the ways of that, “GAME”, and how to manipulate women into letting them fuck them.
Yes, I said fuck them. Not all sex is lovemaking. Lovemaking requires love (or at least abiding affection). Intimacy requires being vulnerable. PUAs refuse to do either of those. Idiots like DKM refuse to admit it’s even possible.
So, as per norm, you are wrong.
As your questions: yes, there are men in jail for violating age of consent laws. Why? Because they broke the law. Laws which predate feminism.
That was simple. Care to actually answer any of the questions you’ve ducked, dodged, twisted and otherwise refused to honestly address?
@Molly Ren I sound more combative than I mean to. xD I meant I understand why reading some of the things here can rly skew the discussion and the focus onto one particular scenario and issue : And I am agreeing w/ you :]
@Molly Ren it got updated to the Vagina Pinata after June 1. You should be getting it in the mail any time now.
Wanna make a bet Molly Ren? Go to the nearest town/city and start crying. When someone asks why you’re crying tell them you’re starving and haven’t eaten in days. Within in 30 minutes you’ll be eating a meal.
@Pecunium I think it was TitforTat that said you talking about your dating/sex life was being sexist in tone. Not Ion. :
Ooh, so you can see my comments, Slavey. So how old are you?
NWO:
How about you try the same thing? Or do you think that the world is heartless when it comes to men?
This isn’t the same thing, but I recently started making homemade bread. I need a plastic container, but there weren’t any large enough in the store I was at. The store had a grill area, which made sandwhiches and stuff to order. I asked if they had any spare containers (perhaps ones that had lettuce or something in it) and guess what? I got two free containers out of it. Then I needed parchment paper, so I went to a nearby subways, and they gave me a stack of it.
Its really incredible what you can get if you just ask, and you don’t need to be obviously distressed either.
You know whats funny Pecunium? I didn’t even know about 90% of the sites listed on this blog. For instance MGTOW I thought was just a saying. I never knew there was a site. Virtually all my, (haha) research was done independently of any “sites.”
Funny how I idependently came to the same conclusions as the site’s you mock.
Then again, it probably had something to do with the “honorary pussy pass” I have for being a mangina. *shrug*
NWOslave, I’m pretty fat. I don’t think the townspeople would believe I was starving, even if I was crying. 😛
Also, damn, there are things called “food stamps”. No bawling required! I hear they even give them out to dudes sometimes!
Able bodied white dude’s does not equal food stamps Molly Ren.
NWO: Try wrapping your brain around this. Prior to the modern feminist movement the age of consent was higher, as a rule than it is now.
Really, it was. And in some places (Calif.) for example, the age of consent for men was higher than that for women (21 for males, and 18 for women). Whoa…
But the evil feminists, argued that wasn’t fair.
Hard to believe, but there you go.
Such pesky things, those facts. I see why you ignore them.
@Nobinayamu Yeah the surgery and parental refusal thing is part of why I think it’s rly important to decide when people can decide what to do w/ their bodies : Also what if the child DOESN’T want a surgery? Or when we decide that a person is old enough to make these decisions for themselves while weighing the fears of them being coerced by their parents or other adults (psychiatrists, teachers, counsellors, relatives… forget “older guy that wants to do them” even : ). When do we feel they’re mature enuf (I mean even adults are sometimes told that they’re being coerced or manipulated into making choices, by certain groups that morally oppose those choices) that it doesn’t matter?
There aren’t easy answers as you say : But it’s rly important… b/c it affects a lot of young ppl and what their rights and rights to their bodies and what they can consent or refuse, etc…
I think one of the important things to keep in mind, which isn’t to say that it’s the SAME, b/c obv it’s not since there are issues of maturity, experience, etc that come w/ adulthood, is that we’re (adults) the ones deciding these things but they directly affect people who are not us (and yus I know it also affect parents, but it’s still their child’s body, even if they want to protect them : )… it’s like cis ppl deciding whether trans ppl can transition, when, how, after what hoops to jump thru…. or ppl who can’t be pregnant deciding on ppl who can… or straight ppl deciding on whether to rescind sodomy laws… we need to keep in mind that there’s a dynamic where we are deciding the lives and rights of ppl to their own bodies, but we aren’t these ppl… even if we think we’re protecting them… we’re also putting limits and controls on their bodies and choices, so we need to make sure it makes sense and it’s just arbitrary… :]
Also I think even if ppl keep in mind their youth or inexperience, or etc etc, it’s important to listen to young ppl and the ppl who are being affected by stuff like this :] (many are savvier and have exp’d more than we think too)
@Pecunium
NWO: There is no dynamic to a relationship. If women and feminists have been indoctrinated to believe a relationship between a man and a woman is a “power dynamic” that you are viewing sex as a means to an end. And that end is obviously about power and control.
Men don’t think like that. Sex is a pleasurable act that is an end unto itself.
“I will agree with the last sentence, if it were stripped of context, but the rest of what you said is patently false. One might even say it was a bald-faced lie.”
If you think of sex between a man and a woman as a power dynamic than that is exactly how you think. You believe, as a woman, that sex is a method of control. I as a man, don’t want to control any woman thru sex. It’s pretty vile thinking.
Ami: Now that I think about it, you’re probably correct. The sometimes posters start to blur. Ion,, I apologise for mistaking you for T4T. Not kind to you.
NWO: Where did I say you were indoctrinated in MGTOW sites? I don’t think your particular brand of stupid needed specific training. I think a prediliction for conspiracy theories and sense of inferiority are more than adequate for the background misogyny in the culture to convince of the same foolish ideas the MRA sorts believe. It’s like Palmolive, “you’re soaking in it”.
Are you going to answer my questions?
I didn’t think so.
NWO, I’ve applied for food stamps. They ask you how much you make, and how much you get depends on *that*, not what you carry between your legs. There’s no “if you have a penis, you cannot apply” checkbox, but there *is* a limit based on income. You can get more if you have a dependent… so single dads who live at the poverty level can get money for their kids!
Ami: Oh good! All these forms keep getting lost in the mail!
(PS We’re not fighting, really. 🙂 I was just talking about my own increased cynicism.)
@Nobinayamu So it doesn’t seem like I’m being unfair I’ll add that there’s also another dynamic w/ adults deciding age limit laws that’s the opposite of “I want to protect you”… which is what we’ve seen in this thread and in the OP: “I want to use you for my purposes” :
@Pecunium
NWO: Try wrapping your brain around this. Prior to the modern feminist movement the age of consent was higher, as a rule than it is now.
The saying, “Try wrapping your brain around this” screams feminist.
Right off the bat, since you adhere to the doctrine of incarcerating a man who dares cross an age boundary, you are like that.
Don’t worry, Graham. I’m sure NWO’s ignoring you is nothing personal. He’s probably just leery of putting down more ‘facts’ about himself than he needs to so it’ll be easier to keep his stories straight (not that he’s doing a stellar job as it is.)
“The saying, “Try wrapping your brain around this” screams feminist.”
…why?
That straw Pecunium is pretty xD
@Molly Ren Speak for yourself! I once was carrying an empty yogurt container for an art project, somebody saw me and took me to a full course meal xD AND I got a Maserati out of it cuz I was walking from the bus stop :3
“The saying, ‘Try wrapping your brain around this’ screams feminist.”
Because only feminists have brains? Because only women wrap? Because not wrapping is Patriarchal?
Huh?
(Where’s Zombie when you need him for a good brain joke?)
@Feyline Because.
@NWO:
For God’s sake, man, answer the damn question! Seriously, every “answer” from you is “well, what about this question?” or “I’m gonna switch subjects/change goal posts” or “You’re just a dirty feminist!” All I need to do is quote your last post to show how pathetic its become.
He never learns, Kirby. This is why we need new trolls. >>