Today, a trip down memory lane to revisit an until-recently lost classic of modern misogyny: Jay Hammers’ “The Age of Consent is Misandry.” The piece, originally published on Jay Hammers’Men’s Rights blog, inspired some heated discussions amongst MRAs online, with some harshly criticizing the piece as an apologia for pedophilia and others hailing it as a “politically incorrect” masterpiece. Stung by the criticism, Hammers ultimately took his blog down. But the piece has since been resurrected on the Human-Stupidity blog – another blog that seems rather unhealthily obsessed with the supposed injustice of men not being allowed to fuck underage girls.
Here are some of its highlights (that is, lowlights); the headlines are mine.
ALL ABOUT THE MENZ
The arbitrary age of consent is not about protecting women/girls. It is about valuing females and their virtue over males and their freedom. The intent of the laws is to stop older men from having sex with younger women and that is how it is enforced. It was never intended to stop younger men from having sex with older women.
MORE BETA BLUES
Age of consent laws are designed to punish beta males. A beta male in his 20s, unsuccessful with women his own age who are infused with a sense of feminist entitlement and deride all but the top alpha males who take interest in them, who seeks companionship with a younger, sexually mature female who desires him, should not go to prison for acting on that which is normal male sexuality.
FEMINISTS WHO SUPPORT AGE OF CONSENT LAWS ARE TREATING WOMEN LIKE CHILDREN
If we are to treat women as children then we should be consistent. Young women who have sex with older men are as much victims as women who have sex with a pick-up artist after meeting at a club. In both cases, feminists are angry because the woman has been “fooled” into having sex with a less than ideal mate in terms of value. …
This is what makes feminists angry and this is why age of consent exists still today, because it is assumed women are not mentally mature enough to give consent AND because older women want to limit men’s options to increase their own value in the sexual marketplace.
BUT WOMEN ARE CHILDREN, BASICALLY
Older women … are generally not of a much higher intelligence level than teenage girls. The big difference between the two is that older women are less attractive and that is what makes them so damn angry. …
Females generally do not significantly mature mentally past puberty so it should always be illegal for any woman to have sex or it should never be illegal for any woman to have sex. There is no arbitrary age where females suddenly become self-aware, realizing the consequences of their actions, and stop seeking out alpha males. Thus there must not be an arbitrary age of consent for sex.
A MODEST PROPOSAL
If anything, it should be illegal for women to have sex with men until men have been educated on the truths of women, Marriage 2.0, Game, feminism, and men’s rights.
Discuss?
NWO, post a credible study that proves that mammograms cause breast cancer.
Post it, or shut the fuck up. You know nothing about medical irradiation, or radiation oncology.
I’m usually a lurker, but I just have to acknowledge this excellent comment, and ask NWOSlave for a response to it:
“Let’s say you fall in pure, pure love with a 14 year old girl -and you aren’t living in South Carolina, Idaho, or Utah- and she returns your feelings. You know, you were just hanging out by the Junior High School one afternoon, right around 3:30 pm. She came out of the building laughing and joking with her friends about Glee and texting her boyfriend about meeting up at the mall. Your eyes lock. She abandons her friends, comes over to you, blinks innocently, and asks for a ride home. She’s enthralled and beguiled by your middle-aged charms.
“You begin to pick her up after school regularly but, because she’s underaged your careful to drop her a block or so from home. Your intentions are noble, of course, but you wouldn’t want anyone getting the wrong idea. You stop by the Sonic every afternoon and discuss the Rothschilds and the world debt clock. She thinks you’re the most fascinating man she’s ever met. Your love is pure. There’s some hand-holding. A few innocent pecks. It progresses to heavy petting. You’re certain she’s the one and she wants nothing more than to be with you too.
“When do you drop her off directly in front of her house, ring the doorbell, and as her parents for permission to date their daughter?”
Inquiring minds want to know!
Nobinayamu
“Explain something to NWO: Yesterday you were going on and on, and endlessly on, about how women were terrible and not worth being in relationships with because we’re devoid of responsibility and consequences. We’re given everything we need just by crying, we’re vain, self-centered, inconsiderate, etc.”
If a 16 year old girl can agree to sex with a 16 year old boy but isn’t “responsible” for her actions if she chooses to have sex with an older man. This would be the begining of her indoctrination that she will not be held accountable for her actions.
“This 14 year old is a woman? And not just a woman, a woman of such stellar character, steely resolve, courage and responsibility that you NWO, would deign to possibly fall in love with her. Sweet, pure, utterly devoid of control, love/”
I’ve seen 14 year old girls wearing next to nothing on the beaches, just shakin there money makers like pro’s. Too young for me, I just don’t see anything in them. Now a 17 year old who hasn’t been indoctrinated yet is another story. Of course that little tale puts me in jail. Doesn’t it?
But I could see a 21 year old man fall for a 14 or 15 year old girl and she in turn fall for him. Once again that put’s the man in jail. He will be responsible for her actions.
BigKitty…If I did happen to fall deeply and purely in love with said girl and she with me. I’d end up in prison quite frankly.
Suddenly now you want me to ask her fathers permission? If I had said a statement like asking a fathers permission you’d ramble on about fathers owning their daughters sexuality. Now all the sudden it’s preferred behavior. Outstanding.
How old are you, NWOslave?
So, NWOslave just wants to get them before they get indoctrinated into the evil feminist empire and become stone cold bitches?
NWO, its amazing how the goals have changed. It used to be about 30 and 16 year olds desperately loving each other, but the world won’t let them, and now its late teens and early twenties. Could you please just start with what you believe, instead of meandering around slowly, spouting falsehoods, until you get to what you actually mean?
Sometimes I feel like the dark emperor in star wars. Your hatred makes me stronger.
No, NWO, if he falls for a 14 or 15 year old girl and has sex with her and ends up in jail as a result he’ll be responsible for HIS actions. The age of consent is 16 in the vast majority of states. If he can’t wait a year or two for her to be of age, then not only does he not love her, he lacks the basic instinct of self preservation.
And the question has never been about how hot you find 14 year old girls. Or 16 year old girls or 17 year old girls. I’m sure you know all about how the “pros” shake their money makers, but most 14 and 15 year old girls that you see on the beach aren’t thinking about you, or trying to titillate you. Everyone on the fucking beach is wearing next to nothing. In a swimsuit, everyone is at least 60% to 70% naked. If you can’t handle going to the beach without thinking that 14 year olds are trying to shake it for you, perhaps your ass needs to stay home.
I’ll tell you what, your theory of “indoctrination” set aside, the age of consent is 17 or below in most of the 50 states, including Texas which you reference so often. You won’t be facing any jail time by approaching 17 year old girls at the beach.
Care to give it a try?
C’mon. I’m sure they’re dying to fall in sweet, pure love, with a middle-aged, milk-machine, mechanic. Tuck those wrinkly balls into a speedo, haul your cheeks to the Gulf one of these warm summer days and see how well you do.
Either one gets ya 2 ta 15 in da big house kirbywarp. Feminist fun.
No, NWO, you’re the one whose suggested time and time again that it was right and appropriate for fathers to control their daughters dating and marriage choices in the past. You long for that kind of culture.
Forget asking her parents permission. When will you go to their door, ring their bell, and pick their daughter up for dinner and a movie? When I was 16 years old and officially allowed to go out on dates, boys had to come to the door to pick me up.
Prove that age of consent laws were created by feminists.
“I’m looking after your health papr1ka. Radiation causes cancer and is cumlative.”
The answer to both of your questions is yes.
Now I have a question for you:
Why do you continuously ignore the studies I linked which indicate that a.) the radiation one is exposed to from a mammogram is relatively slight and b.) the benefits of actually getting the mammogram far outweigh the risks? If you like, I can provide more. Those were just two of the more prominent studies, as far as I am aware.
I will look after my own health, thank you, and begin getting mammograms a bit on the early side, since it is extremely likely that I inherited the “breast cancer gene” (though I will eventually get tested to confirm that before I dive in with the mammograms). Or perhaps (in the case that I do have the dreaded gene) I’ll simply attempt to skirt the entire issue and eventually just get a double mastectomy…I haven’t decided yet.
NWOSlave – Here’s the problem, in companies over a certain amount of employee’s and any company that wants a Guv contract a certain percentage of high paid employee’s must be women in order to either stay in business or get those Guv contracts. This is feminist doctrine imposed upon society, this is wrong. Gender is the only qualification. My question to you is. Is this equality?
If that’s actually what was happening, no it would not be equality. But that isn’t actually how AA works. How it actually works is that a company has to prove that they are recruiting QUALIFIED female and minority applicants and hiring QUALIFIED female and minority applicants. Gender is most certainly not the only qualification – they have to actually be able to do the work. And insomuch as there are hiring goals they are based on the number of qualified applicants actually in the workforce. Women are 51% of the population. They are NOT 51% of the engineers in my group or in my company. Not even close. And yet somehow my company gets lots and lots of government contracts (it’s pretty much our main business – I work for a large defense contractor).
When we work on proposals for various projects frequently the proposal scoring will have a bonus of 10-15% if we demonstrate that we are working with subcontractors who are WMDVBEs – women, minority, or disabled veteran, owned business enterprises. This only applies to small businesses though and their ownership, not to employees within the company or within our company. And it’s only a bonus, not a requirement. In the private sector it is often harder for these small businesses to get work so the public sector tried to balance this out by making it easier. Doesn’t always work perfectly, but obviously neither would doing nothing.
How old are you? More or less, if you’re sensitive about the actual number?
“Now a 17 year old who hasn’t been indoctrinated yet is another story.”
Subby, you’re what. 50? I’m in my 30s, and I can’t imagine finding any kind of attraction with anyone that young. I guess you’re within your rights to be attracted to whoever you’re attracted to. I just have a hard time picturing why a 50-year-old thinks a 17-year-old would be a good match. Hell, I dated a 50-year-old a few years ago, and the age gap was too much.
I’m going to guess, late 40’s or early 50’s. Old enough to long for the idyllic days of the 1950’s, yet too young to remember what they were really like.
And, in my continued collection of questions you’e ignored:
I didn’t ask you how sexy or mature you think a 14 year old is (see above) I asked you if she’s a woman? And more importantly, how will a minor being taken care of completely by her legal guardians be able to display the kind of character, responsibility, courage, and humility that you find lacking in most women over the age of 18?
I mean, seriously, have you been around in 14 year old girls, lately?
Wait. Don’t answer that. I don’t want to know.
Oh, and NWO: with regard to BigKitty’s post (and your reply to it),
perhaps “asking permission” would not be the best way to put it. However, generally speaking when a minor enters into a serious relationship (regardless of whether it’s with another minor or with an adult), the person with whom they are in a relationship is expected to meet the minor’s parents. That’s just part of being a teenager.
I meant “been around any…” I swear I did.
Great, now I’ve grossed myself out.
NWO genuinely doesn’t seem to understand the distinction between “getting millions of mammograms is dangerous” and “getting *a* mammogram is dangerous.”
Yes, a mammogram raises your cancer risk. Slightly. Getting one a year, or every several years, is such a slight risk that it’s worth it in the number of cancers detected.
…therefore, please don’t fuck highschoolers?
It’s fortunate I wasn’t drinking anything during this thread, or I would have spit it all over my keyboard at ngz3120’s “Holly, age doesn’t equal control and control isn’t always bad. Lolita for example…” and “My current same age partner, likes to role play a 15 year old girl being taught by me, a man more than twice her age. It is a fantasy that she had that went unfulfilled you see.”
Sadly, Holly already made the point about puppy play. But there was a HUGE thread on Fetlife a while back where a woman was afraid ageplay senarios (which are carried out between people of legal age of consent) led to pedophilia. So confusion between fantasy and reality isn’t just limited to the MRA.
NWO’s “Guv contract a certain percentage of high paid employee’s must be women in order to either stay in business or get those Guv contracts” also amused me because I *have* held jobs where government contracts were applied for. In the end, it comes down to how successful the business is (though it would have been MUCH less boring if I’d been taken in front of a tribunal of high-powered lesbians instead of collecting financial data from the last two years!)
@papr1ka…The only study you could possibly show me of any relevance would have to be.
1)The number of MAMs done in conjunction with cancer rate.
Example: Number of women who’ve been diagnosed with cancer after 5/10/15/20/25/30/35 ect. MAMs.
Now you would think that a study like that would be proof that there was no danger. Try and find me one like that.
@Plymouth…But don’t you see something inherently wrong with hiring qualified women over men who are equally qualified or may even be better qualified. If a company has an add for a person of my skills, (of which I have been told by the recruiter that they were looking for a woman). I already know as the personel who was hiring told me I was perfect for the job. I was the wrong gender, the woman that they hired wasn’t even in my league of experience or ability. I find that to be a problem.
@Bee, that age gap may have been too much for you but not for everyone. A man goes to jail if he disagrees. For a man it’s statutory rape, for a woman it’s sexual misconduct.
No, you’re more like Humbert Humbert without the intelligence, eloquence and love of language.
NWO, in all but 7 states in the U.S. there is nothing preventing you from pursuing a romantic relationship with a 17 year old.
Hey, NWO, what’s the difference between love, sex, and rape?