Ladies, your days are numbered! The sexy lady sexbots are only a few years off, which will free men of the onerous task of having sex with your cootie-ridden human bodies, and pretty soon you won’t be needed for anything at all, not even making babies. At least according to this comment by “JR” on Roissy’s blog, which was recently highlighted on the Pro-Male/Anti-Feminist Technology blog:
I think the obvious gender-wide frustration of women today can partly be explained by this lowered value of children/reproduction altogether. Women understand that their primary purpose will always be tied up with reproduction and not civilization-altering achievement; now that this purpose has been largely removed, what do they have left? … [M]en are as useful as ever, whereas women’s role as child-bearer is rapidly becoming unnecessary and in many cases even harmful.
Babies? We don’t need no stinkin babies!
And if after a few years of childless Children of Men-style dystopia we male humans decide that maybe it would be good if we, collectively, had a few kids, well, by then some clever dude will have invented an artificial womb. And then, ladies, you’re toast! (Which we dudes will be eating a lot of in the future, by the way, as actual cooking, not to mention sammich-making, is for bitches.) As Mr. Pro-Male/Anti-Feminist Technology explains:
Before … our current level of technology, women were in complete and total control of reproduction. Women could get knocked up by one guy and claim another guy is the dad and there was no way of knowing what the truth was. First came increased scientific knowledge about reproduction. Before that the process of reproduction would have been considered to be almost magical given women room to exercise total control. This lessened women’s control over reproduction. In the 20th century came paternity testing so men could know without a doubt who a child’s father is. Now women have no room to hide except that the law allows for paternity fraud. Eventually we will have artificial wombs which will allow men to have children without women if they so choose. The artificial womb represents control of reproduction being wrestled away from women. This is a pretty direct progression of how women become less and less necessary in reproduction.
Of course, there’s that whole issue of actually raising the little buggers. But don’t worry, dudes are totally better at this, too!
[W]omen’s role as child bearer in many cases is becoming harmful. … All the pathologies caused by single mothers do not need to be repeated here. Beyond single motherhood take a look at younger women in their 20s. How many of them would you really trust to be mothers even if divorce wasn’t an issue? Take a look at the current crop of teenage girls, and it’s clear they will be even worse for motherhood than women currently in their 20s. Don’t forget all the misandry that these women carry which will have a negative impact on any sons you might have with them. … All things being equal the two parent family is probably better for raising children, but all things are not equal. Because of divorce the two parent family can become single motherhood at the drop of a hat. Single fatherhood from the beginning is better than that. Even without divorce women are increasingly unqualified to be mothers. … We are getting to a point where single fatherhood may be the superior system of raising children, especially when it comes to raising sons.
In your face, ladies! Moms suck! DudeMoms rule!!!!
Of course, not all dudes want to be single fathers. As savethemales notes in the comments on Pro-Male/Anti-Feminist Technology,
Robogirls can take the place of mothers and assist in raising children for the biological dads who employed artificial wombs in the labs to incubate their babies. Personally, I never want kids and frankly, what reason is there? Children and women are a big liability. Actuarial escape velocity and transhumanism will be the answer and logical choice over procreation for many men.
I have no idea what he just said there, but I am totally 100% behind it. Except maybe for the part about Robogirls. I mean, how do we know for sure that Robogirls aren’t going to teach robomisandry to our dude-children?
Personally, I wouldn’t trust my artificial-womb-born dude-children to anyone but a RoboDudeMom.
@C.C:
Or he didn’t read it but somehow got the impression that Hoffstadter’s dialog was the original paradox. -_- Either way.
What did I just say? xD Snippy…
Fastest a troll’s ever gone after the Rodeo Cat xD (we need an award.. or like a little video game awards/points system… xD )
Nebody in Vancouver/Boston (or elsewhere) watching this game btw? 😮
@Marc
Ahhh, I get it now.
“- I clearly stated that everything I say is just BS.”
So you HAVE read the book. Cheeky.
> Marc read Goedel Escher Bach, which contains a dialog between Achilles and a Tortoise. In a race between the two, the tortoise is given a head start of 10m. When Achilles reaches 10m, the tortoise is at 11. When Achilles reaches 11, the tortoise is at 11.1. The idea is that this goes on ad infinitum, therefore Achilles never catches the tortoise.
Oh please, now you’re getting silly, it’s presented everywhere in that way. In the original form written down by Aristotle there was no Achilles and no tortoise just two runners.
> Zeno’s paradox is the idea that to get from A to B you need to go halfway between A and B. But to get there, you need to go halfway again, and so on. The idea that to get from one point to another, you need to reach an infinite number of subgoals, therefore motion is impossible.
That’s another one of them (another one is the Arrow paradox).
Huh, you learn something new every day, and from trolls nonetheless. Go figure…
Ah well, a troll that admits outright everything he says is false is not much fun. Do you have anything substantial to talk about? Or.. you know… related?
> Fastest a troll’s ever gone after the Rodeo Cat xD (we need an award.. or like a little video game awards/points system… xD )
Look my dear, there was no troll. I explicitly stated that I am a troll.
@Kirbywarp e_e I know xD this is more boring than hilarious xD Maybe you and me need to go at it again? XD
@Marc:
But but but… If you say everything you say is BS, and say that you are a troll, what if you’re lying about trolling? Or what if you’re lying about lying about trolling? Or what if… *brain skwrk*
Perhaps you and your fancy freshman math can reason out this paradox…
@Ami:
I think we can have a little more fun with this guy (girl?). You’re awesomeness is more like… a splendid holiday dinner, or a yearly festival! We’ll all be spoiled by your exquisite trolling.
Thanks Kirby. I’m actually quite familiar with Zeno’s Paradoxes, though there are several. Haven’t read Godel, Escher, Bach.
My point was more that just because someone has been taught a bunch of stuff in high school that was discovered in the seventeenth century, doesn’t mean he can sneer at ancient Greeks who were actually doing surprisingly well with the tools at their disposal. Personally, while I understand calculus, I could never fault someone for not managing to invent it.
But that’s cause I’m a silly wimminz and I can’t automatically take credit for everything ever done by men. Any man is automatically credited with the innovations of Newton and Leibniz and can justifiably look down his nose at poor old Zeno.
GREEKS ARE STUPID
GREEKS ARE STUPID
GREEKS ARE STUPID
MARC YOU TAKE THAT BACK IMMEDIATELY
CLASSICIST RAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEGGGGGGGGGGGGGGG
@C.C.
You should totally read it! Then we can geek out about it with each other! And it will be awesome! It goes into more than just paradoxes, it deals with AI, conciousness, advanced math, art, music, you name it, all beautifully interwoven. (the book’s subtitle is “an eternal golden braid,” which shares letters with Goedel Escher Bach) It was kinda funny actually that Marc insinuated that the book wouldn’t go into more esoteric subjects. If the inner workings of ELIZA and SHRDLU (hope I remembered those correctly) and the possibility of seeing an ant colony as a brain isn’t esoteric… well.. you know…
Personally, while I understand calculus, I could never fault someone for not managing to invent it.
Speak for yourself. xD I faulted ancient humans all the time for not inventing things xDD But then I think some of that might have been my fault too o_o;;; What w/ the occasionally judgments from heaven, sometimes you take out a great thinker.. or 5. I think I set back humanity a hundred years once xD
Marc….is clearly Cretan.
Now that I’ve calmed down a little: within a period of a hundred years, Athens produced three of the greatest tragedians of all time– Sophocles, Aeschylus and Euripides– and Aristophanes, possibly the only comedian whose jokes have been considered funny for millennia, and Plato, whose works were so influential it has been said “all of philosophy consists of footnotes to Plato.” At this time, excluding slaves and women (neither of whom had much time for writing or philosophy), Athens was approximately the size of present-day Dogpatch, Iowa..
In addition, Greece produced the foundation in Western culture of disciplines like history, natural science, ethics, theology, political science and rhetoric. It is not an exaggeration to say that our society today would not exist if it weren’t for the Greeks.
Marc is a meta-troll, trying to prove that all (or some) the MRA/MGTOWers/etc we talk about here are actually feminists pretending to be MRAs/MGTOWers, or dogs that can type, or something, by posting comments as it he is an MRA/MGTOWer.
Not sure exactly what he — or she, or they — has proved except that it’s very easy to impersonate MRAs/MGTOWers/etc because much of what they say is so predictable and wrong.
I think to conclude from his experiment that all or most or even many of the people that I write about and we talk about here are secretly feminists pretending to be MRAs, or dogs who can type, or whatever, is a bit silly.
No feminist or typing dog has the time or energy to come up with all the shit that gets regularly posted in the manosphere (and then to log back in under dozens of different names and IP addresses to upvote the most misogynist comments on The Spearhead).
I think it’s simpler to assume that the vast overwhelming majority of those people who post dozens or hundreds of comments on blogs and forums, who set up popular blogs, etc to advocate retrograde shit … actually believe that shit.
Marc: if you have proof — or any evidence at all, really — that any of the people I’ve written about are secretly feminist trolls, or whatever, please send it along!
@Ozymandias:
But we know so much more than those stupid Greeks today! You can look any of their stuff up online, why couldn’t they? We may stand on the shoulders of giants, but we should feel free to spit on those giants and call them inferior.
Btw, a more interesting Achilles-and-the-Tortoise pseudo-paradox is Lewis Carroll’s What the Tortoise Said to Achilles, which is about the justification of deduction. If’n any of you like that sort of thing – but it’s more interesting than trying to talk to the trolls, right?
I think we’re actually all white guys from Scotland xD
I assume that most of our trolls are actually misogynist trolls, who may not really be MRAs, and may not believe the specific things they say, but are still amused by the concept of riling up a bunch of uppity women and manginas.
@Holly or they’re me! xD I was like 6-8 different ppl last night (I lost track, some of them left early) :3 I wonder what % of the trolls that is xD
Kirby,
Yay! I’m all for geeking out – though I haven’t read the book, I’ve got a fair bit of that stuff from elsewhere. (Uh, I’m a soon-to-be-partly-ex-philosopher. It’s complicated).
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