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Meet the Meat Market Makers

Buy! Sell! Neg!

Uh oh! Trouble in mansophere paradise! Over on MGTOWforums, the “ghost” calling himself MrLahey is throwing down the gauntlet to all the pickup artists out there who dare to consider themselves allies of MGTOWers. Apparently PUAs are violating the terms of the Cock Blockade; by screwing women, they are evidently screwing over their brethren.  MrLahey, who apparently once took an Economics class, explains:

Ghosts are driven to celibacy due to current market conditions, voluntarily or not, it is done in this particular context of risk aversion. I dare say any ghost would prefer, all else the same, to be sexually active, and wishes the risk-reward was different so he could participate in the meat market.

The conditions that make a man ghost are legal, practical and moral. Too risky, too high a price, too time consuming. … Now those conditions that make a man ghost do not exist in a vacuum, but are created by the sum of interactions of the meat market players, right ? The sexually active are the traders and the market makers of pussy, ensuring market liquidity.

Yes, he did just use the phrase “market makers of pussy.” And evidently not as a joke. He continues on with this metaphor:

So when the ghost leaves the market, the ones left to play it, and thus able to sustain or modify the conditions of the trade are the men left in the field : manginas, white knights, puas and mgtow. …

The reason I believe women get away with exorbitant prices (associated risks) for pussy is the existing demand, which sustains the price and favors similar conditions for each subsequent iteration of the trade. …  I fail to understand how catering to a woman’s skewed entitlement and grandiose sense of self-worth (telling her lies, buying her things for sex, investing more time in entertaining her than in actual sex … etc) can ever be helpful or instrumental to bring the market price (risks and costs) of pussy down.

The rattling sound you hear is Adam Smith’s skeleton rolling in its grave.

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Molly Ren
10 years ago

Hippodameia: I know.

kirbywarp
kirbywarp
10 years ago

@aMiRA:

You’re right. Stuff like this is totally not evidence of homosexuality in Greece… wait…

People used to be adverse to interracial marriage as well, and this lasted in the US longer than slavery. The Gay Rights movement arguably started in 1924, but didn’t really pick up until 1951. And now we have stuff like this. Give it some time, even without subverting the free market.

Ami Angelwings
10 years ago

I can see it’s pointless to argue with those whose minds are closed. It’s sad too because I used to believe that feminism truly believed in equality, but now I see that people don’t come to feminism as much as they are brought up within it, like any religion and faith. You adhere to your doctrines and sacred cows and if the facts don’t fit, then the facts are wrong. The MRM is looking more appealing by the minute. Seeya.

kirbywarp
kirbywarp
10 years ago

Alright! 2 down, how many more to go?

Ami Angelwings
10 years ago

*comes back straightening her moosed up hair, adjusting her glasses and buttoning up her shirt*

Hay guyz! 😀 Sorry, I had to wash my socks tonight, so I couldn’t be on manboobz! xD I heard there were some trolls. What’d I miss? o:

Molly Ren
10 years ago

AMI! YOU’RE BACK! *flying attacklehug!*

Ami Angelwings
10 years ago

Ah! XO

Bee
Bee
10 years ago

BEST. THREAD. EVER.

*slow clap leading to standing ovation*

kirbywarp
kirbywarp
10 years ago

Ami!

*Leads mob of charging manbobzers, which all leap together and form a giant heap of affection*

Wow, you missed so much! There were these trolls, and they seemed eerily similar to the main trolls we get here, but they were all consistant and intelligent! You should have been here!

RenKiss
10 years ago

Hey Ami! I missed your excessive use of smilies!! =D =D

Molly Ren
10 years ago

We thought you had been kidnapped by the pod people, Ami!

Ami Angelwings
10 years ago

Wow! Rly? o_O;; I always miss the good stuff D: *gives everybody confused hugs* Too bad I wasn’t around to see it!

*winks at the audience, as the episode ends*

Brett K
10 years ago

WHAT JUST HAPPENED SERIOUSLY WHAT

Sarah
Sarah
10 years ago

hahaha.

Ami, I love you.

kirbywarp
kirbywarp
10 years ago

And yet none of the regular trolls showed up… Where did they all go?

Hippodameia
Hippodameia
10 years ago

Oh, thank goodness.

XD

Hippodameia
Hippodameia
10 years ago

“There were these trolls, and they seemed eerily similar to the main trolls we get here, but they were all consistant and intelligent!”

Yeah, and they even knew how to spell! And punctuate properly! I’m telling you, it was strange.

Ami Angelwings
10 years ago

Nobody better complain about the way I write ever again xD Now you know the alternative! >_>;;

One of the ways I got by as I got older and nobody was protecting me (not even the teachers and counsellors) from the harassment, bullying and getting beaten up, and I had no idea there was an alternative to being stuck in the gendered body I was…, was to mimic and rly pay attn to what other men and boys were doing, liking, acting, walking, talking, etc… I stopped being me and started being everybody else… I got RLY good at it too… and I constantly was thinking “okay what would this person do in this situation” and seeing myself literally from the third person. Not surprisingly, I also became increasingly more depressed and tried to kill myself twice. >_>;; That’s also why being myself now, how I talk, express myself, etc is something that’s rly important to me :3 But it’s also why I can imitate other ppl xD (in english, for an assignment, I once wrote a “sequel” to Catcher In the Rye that was apparently so exactly to the voice of the book that the teacher was amazed xD I got 100 >_> ) That did take a bit out of me tho since I had to keep a bunch of different voices in my head (there were actually 4 but 2 dropped out a while ago and I didn’t feel the need to acknowledge their exit xD) and keep what they were saying consistent.. and where they were coming from. xD

Brett K
10 years ago

Oh, okay. I think I get it now. Ami, you seriously scared me. I’m glad you’re not a troll, because you would be a really disturbingly good one.

Ami Angelwings
10 years ago

And ty everybody for the compliments 🙂

I didn’t mean to ramble like that either : It’s just been on my mind as I was doing this today cuz I was thinking about why I can do it… I dun want to sound like I’m bragging or nething : Other ppl can do great satire too :3

Ami Angelwings
10 years ago

Awww *hugs Brett* I’m sorry! D: I didn’t mean to scare you :

And oh yus, we have a meet up. It’s supposed to be this weekend but I’m not sure who can make it…. or where… nobody has said nething yet. I know somebody is in the east end.. I’m in the North but I have the ability to get all sorts of places. When and where would be good for you? :]

Brett K
10 years ago

I’m definitely available this weekend, and a meetup would be pretty awesome. I live downtown, so I can get anywhere that’s accessible by TTC (I don’t drive, so the closer to downtown the better, obviously). I’ve got plans for Sunday night, but apart from that I’m pretty much free all the time. Hooray unemployment, I guess?

Anyway, my email is bphillipson at gmail dot com if you or anyone else want to get in touch with me.

amandajane5
amandajane5
10 years ago

Okay, just for funsies I vote that Ami gets a separate handle here as aMiRA, because hilarious.

darksidecat
darksidecat
10 years ago

“… Vin Diesel and The Rock make out…” I just want to note that I would so actually go to a theater instead of watching an internet bootleg if they put out a film like that.

Ion
Ion
10 years ago

Wait, so when you don’t get any more trolls you invent some? That’s a new approach…

Johnny Pez
10 years ago

Yes, Ion, that’s an approach that was first pioneered at the Sadly, No! blog. At this point, pretty much all the trolls there (except the occasional copypasta troll) are actually regular members posing as trolls.

Johnny Pez
10 years ago

BTW, Ami Nutwings, You should absolutely NOT create a Spearhead account and start posting anti-feminist rants there. That way madness lies.

Marc
Marc
10 years ago

“And evidently not as a joke.”

yeah…

still nothing better to do than bothering with BS from anonymous posters? What a life!

Honestly… when will you ever learn…?

you’re on the Internet…
… where young lesbian women living in Damascus* are straight American men living in Scotland!!

Jesus…!!!

PS: maybe I’m setting a trap for you right now…

* kidnapped by security forces last week, haha… 😀

Captain Bathrobe
Captain Bathrobe
10 years ago

Ami,

Your ideas intrigue me, and I wish to subscribe to your newsletter.

filetofswedishfish
filetofswedishfish
10 years ago

I vote that Ami make that separate name and show up to *loudly* agree with the trolls when they show up, and echo back everything they say with just the slightest changes, to see what she can get them to agree with. It would be *hilarious*

As an aside- even if that dude took one Econ class, he either didn’t listen for shit, or had the *the worst* instructor. That, or he seems to think women are like diamond companies, keeping production artificially low to drive up prices. OMG THAT’S WHAT ABORTION IS! Especially sex selective abortions omg!

filetofswedishfish
filetofswedishfish
10 years ago

Also? Let’s assume, for a second, that sex is a marketplace transaction. The last date I went on before FiletofswedishBoyfriend lasted for 4 or 5 hours. We got dinner, and went to a movie. If they’re counting time as an investment, let’s just call it minimum wage for calculation purposes($8.50 an hour, as I was in Illinois near Cook County at the time). So, Straight away, $34 worth of time. We split dinner, which was sushi. So, $25 for each of us, sort of a wash, since he only paid for his own food. Movie tickets were $8 a piece, which he insisted he’d cover. Puts him at $8 of real money spent, and $34 worth of time invested- call it $42.

However, I drove out closer to him (Chicago people will know- gas was high late last Fall, plus tolls to get from DeKalb to Aurora on 88), so, I spent probably 10 or so each way in gas ($20), plus about a dollar or two in tolls, and I invested that same about of time in the date ($34), plus make-up and so forth (because the onus is on me to look attractive for the man), call that about $10, to include hair products, shaving, makeup, perfume, and clothes. That comes to about $74 or so in “costs” to me. Versus his $42. And we didn’t even *have* sex.

But I’m guessing the MRA’s don’t consider the “costs” women pay in in their little marketplace scenario. They probably think we just exist as the soft, protective packaging for vaginas.

Owllizard
Owllizard
10 years ago

Lured out of lurking once more. Ami, thats was jaw dropping. I had tgo keep scrolling up to see who was posting. I do hope you only use tis power for good.

Owllizard
Owllizard
10 years ago

and forgive my inability to type or proofread.

Seraph
Seraph
10 years ago

Late to the party, but this caught my attention before Ami demonstrated just how scary she can be, and I wanted to comment:

I was going to say something about how I would have been perfectly happy, as a teenager, to engage in no-lying no-gifts no-time-together no-strings sex, as long as I could have been assured of not being beaten, murdered, forced to have sex without a condom or having really bad orgasmless sex because dude doesn’t know where my clit is.

I suspect there are a lot of teenage girls who would – or at least, many more than will admit it for fear of being slut-shamed (another risk to add to your list).

If you count nagging, emotional manipulation and other technically nonviolent forms of coercion as part of “forced to have sex without a condom”, that was a real problem in my high school. You’d hear stories from a certain subset of sexually-active girls about boyfriends pulling out, or failing to do so because they were both drunk, or…

In a class of 150, there were about a dozen parents, counting the ones who graduated pregnant.

As for the last…well, that can be a problem for even a well-meaning teenage boy. Granted, I didn’t have much trouble finding the clit once I had an opportunity to look for one, but how many teen guys spend as much time as I did sneaking peeks at sex manuals in bookstores? I was a weird kid.

Of course, that doesn’t excuse adults that still have the same problem.

Molly Ren
10 years ago

One of the things that *did* surprise me about this post was that “expected to wear a condom” wasn’t listed as one of the dealbreakers. Not sure why, tho. Maybe because Roissy has a weird obsession with no-strings attached unsafe sex?

Tabby Lavalamp
Tabby Lavalamp
10 years ago

Kirbywarp wrote:

This is an example of co-evolution, two mutually beneficial traits that evolve complementing each other.

I have to disagree. Co-evolution is about different species evolving symbiotically. Despite how MRAs act, men and women are still the same species so it’s just one species evolving in ways that best suit our survival.

http://evolution.berkeley.edu/evosite/evo101/IIIFCoevolution.shtml

Sorry to be pedantic here, but when I read anything that appears to be about men and women evolving separately but together, I start getting Ray Comfort nightmares. 😀

http://scienceblogs.com/pharyngula/2008/12/ray_comfort_gets_it_half_right.php
http://scienceblogs.com/pharyngula/2009/11/ray_comfort_replies_to_eugenie.php

Hippodameia
Hippodameia
10 years ago

Ami, that was BRILLIANT!! Are you interested in writing professionally? If you are I want fifteen copies of your first book.

And ((((hugs)))) (if you would like them) for all the horrible, horrible things you’ve had to deal with. I’m so sorry. Some people can be such scum, but you give me hope for the future.

Ami Angelwings
10 years ago

awww ty everybody again xD

@filetofswedishfish i could! they’re never gonna trust their own allies again! xD “wait are you SURE you’re not Ami?” XD i did actually consider making a fake name, but I didn’t want to go thru moderation, and I was worried that I’d upset ppl and then after it’d seem like I had played a prank on them and they might feel that it revealed something negative about them or something, and that wasn’t my intention… i didn’t expect ppl to think I had been hacked tho xD

@David hey can you make a post for Toronto Manboobz meet up? just so everybody can post there.. right now its kinda on all sorts of threads… if you want you can just put a link to my blog (http://ami-rants.blogspot.com) and tell ppl to just drop me a line there (comments are moderated) w/ their email address… tentatively we’re doing this weekend but I have no idea when or where :

Ami Angelwings
10 years ago

@Hippodameia yus actually xD One day in the future… I used to write a lot, but I dun nemore : when i used to write was during that depressed time and while I like it, they were pretty screwed up.. there’s only 2 stories I share, and one needs a massive tune up (spelling errors and I need to take out the smex xD)… the other is on my computer that died.. I just realized… dammit >_<;;;

ty so much for the hugs and understanding 🙂 i guess the upside as Kirby was saying last night is that I get super powers out of it :

Kave
Kave
10 years ago

We’re selling our family home. There are new drugs available that cost upwards of 6 thousand a month, that or our family will be separated to go to Toronto to participate in clinical trails. And then my daughter could be on the placebo.

PosterformerlyknownasElizabeth

What a nonshock Kave.

I have actually read the breakdowns of drug costs-the companies almost never actually spend what they charge for the medications.

Ami Angelwings
10 years ago

*BIG HUGE HUGS TO KAVE* 🙁 my thoughts and prayers are w/ you and your family Kave

Doctress Julia
10 years ago

I’m sending good power your way, Kave… RAH!

AbominableSnowPickle
AbominableSnowPickle
10 years ago

Kave: I’m chronically ill/disabled/etc. Without a combination of insurance and Medicaid (Title 19), I couldn’t afford my meds, which average about $2500 (US) a month. I don’t post very often, but I lurk every day…I don’t pray, but I’m sending you my best wishes and warmest thoughts to you and your family…though I’m not as clever in the transmission of those feelings as Doctress Julia up there^.^

Ami: Like I needed further evidence of your awesomeness…I admit, you had me going there for awhile! I had a really rough time growing up as well (I was bi, into theatre and music, dressed unconventionally, held unpopular political positions [I live in Wyoming, and people aren’t terribly openminded out here >.<]…I just wish I had a nickel for every time someone called me a dyke because of my pixie hair cut…that would be a lot of nickels! Ack, rambling)…I just wished I had worked out my satire muscles as well as you^.^ Instead, I joined a punk band and studied opera^.^ So yeah, from one weirdo to another, you're alright^.^

AbominableSnowPickle
AbominableSnowPickle
10 years ago

Ami: not that you really need my approval, lol^.^

Alex
10 years ago

Ami…I think you’re magic, or a mind-reader, or…something. That was insane. And awesome. And scary. But awesome.

Ami Angelwings
10 years ago

Hmm…. ppl enjoying this thread had me thinking… maybe we should have a “Manboobz Hall of Fame” like David could just basically put the links to the posts/threads that were rly something special that we want new ppl to be able to go back and look at (or us to reminisce) … there’s a few that come to mind XD

or a troll hall of fame xD