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Meet the Meat Market Makers

Buy! Sell! Neg!

Uh oh! Trouble in mansophere paradise! Over on MGTOWforums, the “ghost” calling himself MrLahey is throwing down the gauntlet to all the pickup artists out there who dare to consider themselves allies of MGTOWers. Apparently PUAs are violating the terms of the Cock Blockade; by screwing women, they are evidently screwing over their brethren.  MrLahey, who apparently once took an Economics class, explains:

Ghosts are driven to celibacy due to current market conditions, voluntarily or not, it is done in this particular context of risk aversion. I dare say any ghost would prefer, all else the same, to be sexually active, and wishes the risk-reward was different so he could participate in the meat market.

The conditions that make a man ghost are legal, practical and moral. Too risky, too high a price, too time consuming. … Now those conditions that make a man ghost do not exist in a vacuum, but are created by the sum of interactions of the meat market players, right ? The sexually active are the traders and the market makers of pussy, ensuring market liquidity.

Yes, he did just use the phrase “market makers of pussy.” And evidently not as a joke. He continues on with this metaphor:

So when the ghost leaves the market, the ones left to play it, and thus able to sustain or modify the conditions of the trade are the men left in the field : manginas, white knights, puas and mgtow. …

The reason I believe women get away with exorbitant prices (associated risks) for pussy is the existing demand, which sustains the price and favors similar conditions for each subsequent iteration of the trade. …  I fail to understand how catering to a woman’s skewed entitlement and grandiose sense of self-worth (telling her lies, buying her things for sex, investing more time in entertaining her than in actual sex … etc) can ever be helpful or instrumental to bring the market price (risks and costs) of pussy down.

The rattling sound you hear is Adam Smith’s skeleton rolling in its grave.

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Ami Angelwings
10 years ago

@Brett K Only a woman, brainwashed by the feminarchy (I can make up terms too!) would believe that sex isn’t a marketplace. What do you think happens when men buy women drinks, or dinner, or a Maserati? Only a feminist would so deny female genetic nature to believe that women don’t accept these gifts knowing what they “cost” and that payment is owed. Feminism seeks to destroy and deny thousands of years of genetic programming and truth. They want a world where women can accept a drink, but not reciprocate with a blow job. Where women can take that dinner, and not fulfill her end of the transaction. They want to wipe out those ancient unwritten laws so that a woman can accept the Maserati and not do upside down flying butterfly double anal with buttplugs and a goat. Feminism wants a world where women have no responsibility as the merchant for displaying their wares while getting all of the benefits of the sexual marketplace.

Mandolin
Mandolin
10 years ago

I think they have this backward, really. The problem is not that pussy is priced high. The problem is that cock is priced low.

Come on, gentlemen! Foment more demand for your cocks! An advertising campaign, perhaps? Stick a picture of it on your blog, enhanced with Photoshop lens flares, with a caption TOO EXPENSIVE FOR YOU TO AFFORD. Start auctions for them! Show how they are so delectable that even other cock-possessors must have them! Stop accepting cheap deals for your cocks!

Then and only then will you find parity with ladies and their costly lady bits!

BlackBloc
BlackBloc
10 years ago

Well if they’re going on a sex strike, I’m quite willing to be a scab.

Brett K
10 years ago

@ Fake Ami

Goddamn, I’ve had a lot of sex, and no one has ever bought me a Maserati. Hell, no one’s even bought me a Volvo. What have I been doing wrong?

kirbywarp
kirbywarp
10 years ago

@Mandolin:

I think men advertise their junk enough. Perhaps they are the victims of overselling and seeming desperate? Nahhhhh.

@aMiRA:

So one drink = one blow job? Dang, that’s like three or four blowjobs to get drunk enough for actual sex. How is a guy supposed to make it to PiV?

Also, “upside down flying butterfly double anal with buttplugs and a goat?” The hell? I mean, I understand the rest, but why in Hell, MI would you need a goat?

Mandolin
Mandolin
10 years ago

In case things get gruff.

kirbywarp
kirbywarp
10 years ago

So, am I to understand that the participants need a safe goat?

Mandolin
Mandolin
10 years ago

No, they need a scapegoat.

kirbywarp
kirbywarp
10 years ago

The safe word is “mehhhehehehehehe,” and the safe action is to consume a paper bag full of feed.

Ami Angelwings
10 years ago

@Brett K you’re probably a 5, maybe a 5.5 If you did a couple of exercises and walked maybe 10 minutes a day, you might be a 6 or 6.5. You’d at least get an ’89 Civic. Men can never raise their physical status as easily like women. A few crunches a day and an occasional salad doesn’t do the wonders for men as it does for women. This is further exacerbated by the government (with more than a helping hand from your precious feminism) banning drugs that could enhance a man’s natural hormones and muscles, such as androstenedione, HGH or other growth supplements, while women are free to get breast implants and use make up to cover up imperfections that could make a 7 a 5.

Unfortunately, Mandolin, the value of a man’s penis will never be equal to that of a woman’s body and vagina. While men cannot easily replace the subtle softness, and beautiful richness of sexual experience with a female body, the worth of a man and his sexual abilities has evolutionarily been tied to his ability to impregnate a woman, be a provider for her and her children, and take care of all the physical needs that women simply are naturally unable to assist in (such as mowing the lawn, or attaching the cables of a digital video disc player to a television). Because of the obvious lack of utility to day to day survival of women, in order to ensure the survival of the human race, evolution needed to create a reason for men to love women, and that is their bodies and evolutionarily perfectly shaped vaginas. But because women naturally needed men to protect them, there was no reason for the evolutionary process to make a man’s penis specifically interesting to women outside of the fact that having one inside her meant safety and security.

Since feminism has usurped the technological creations that male sweat, tears and sheer brilliance have created over the years, they have made a world where women no longer need men to do very much at all, or can hire a man for pennies on the hour to hook up their electronic devices. As well, the feminist ideology of abortion, contraception, and divorce has removed women’s need for men as providers and husbands, and in fact discouraged women from having or wanting children and a family unit at all. The feminist dictate to male allies that they must donate sperm once a month, only adds to this removal of male sexuality from society.

Because of these rapid and unfortunate changes, men are quickly replaced in the feminist society by sex toys: dildos, vibrators, black guys and anal beads. This is why male sexuality and the male sexual organ no longer has any worth in the sexual marketplace, nor can it ever in a society that demonizes real men and male desires.

Sarah
Sarah
10 years ago

Black guys are sex toys? XD

Molly Ren
10 years ago

“investing more time in entertaining her than in actual sex”

The thing is, I used to do totally no-strings sex. I once answered a Craigslist ad and hooked up with a dude in NYC, and after poking around in the sex blogs I got an invite to an orgy where the only real prerequisite was “enthusiastic”.

I know CL is quite different now, but certainly there’s still hookup sites out there somewhere? Maybe the MRAs just haven’t gone sleezy *enough*…

kirbywarp
kirbywarp
10 years ago

@aMiRA:

Man, you are going the full fruitloop now. For all your talk about us having to fit our evolutionary roles, you’re basically saying that men only exist to do things for women, and evolution had to “dupe” men somehow by hardwiring sex? Pretty misandrist of you.

The only thing abortion and contraception has done is make it so women aren’t forced to bear children they aren’t ready to have. Are you saying that this does a great disservice to men because now they can’t fill their evolutionary role of giving everything they make to women?

Also add racism to the list of traits that will ensure that you will never be able to be the man that nature intended.

Molly Ren
10 years ago

Actually, I’m gonna drop all pretense at intellectualism now. WHO ARE YOU, AND WHAT HAVE YOU DONE WITH AMI? :’O

aMiRA is scarier than a real MRA.

kirbywarp
kirbywarp
10 years ago

@Molly:

POE’s law in full force here. Any parody can be indistinguishable from extremism. I’ll bet there’s a lurker MRA out there right now who’s like “Wow, when did Ami get so cool all of a sudden?”

Ami Angelwings
10 years ago

I already requested that you don’t use XDs! They confuse and infuriate me. I’ve seen other posters on this blog request that various things not be said as it triggers, them, I don’t understand why my request can’t be honoured. Unless it’s because I’m not a feminist. But that can’t be it, right David?

@Kirby thank you for engaging me. It’s weird that nobody else is given how often they pounce on other MRAs in this echo chamber that David claims is a free and fair comments section. Maybe they know truth when they see it. If people are holding back, however, I’d like them to take their best shot. As an objective outsider who is not wed to an ideology like some MRAs and all feminists are, I welcome feedback and challenges to my statements. After all, how will you learn if you don’t ask questions?

Back to you Kirby. Nice try with the “you’re being misandrist” thing. I know who’s being misandrist, and it’s not me. If you understood evolution in the least, you’d understand it has no goals, and no design. Men were so able to survive on their own that they did not need women holding them back, but unfortunately the ones who chose not to mate with women at all, did not pass on their genes and therefore died. They possibly were the more intelligent and creative ones of the species too, but unfortunately, that’s life, something feminism, marxism and “anti-oppression” doesn’t understand. Nor do you, apparently. Evolution did not “dupe” men into liking women, merely the women who had vaginas that were pleasingly shaped for men, and the men who liked those vaginas, tended to spread on their genes and therefore survived. If you knew even the slightest about evolutionary science, you’d get this.

The only thing abortion and contraception has done is make it so women aren’t forced to bear children they aren’t ready to have. Are you saying that this does a great disservice to men because now they can’t fill their evolutionary role of giving everything they make to women?

That’s only if you believe women are “forced” to have children. Is a bird “forced” to lay eggs? Is a bacterium “forced” to split? Typical feminist junk science. The only reason women “aren’t ready to have” children in modern society is because feminism has destroyed the family unit, and brainwashed women that they have to go out into the workplace, at jobs they are ill-suited to (and thus more likely to fail at and fail to get promotions at) rather than commit the cardinal sin of allowing a man to even provide a dollar to them. Feminism created a problem so that they could “solve” it with abortion an contraception, and society bought it hook, line and sinker.

Are YOU saying that men should keep everything they make, gender segregate the economy and not share future technological breakthroughs with women? That sounds pretty misogynist to me.

Men's Rights Activist Lance Corporal

Ami has always been cool. Now she’s sensible, too.

Molly Ren
10 years ago

@Kirby I just find her posts so hard to read now when there’s no emoticons!

Mandolin
Mandolin
10 years ago

“aMiRA is scarier than a real MRA.”

She’s also smarter than one. This is probably not unrelated.

RenKiss
10 years ago

I’m still baffled by the fact that these manosphere folks clearly hate women, yet they want to have sex with us. Also they seem to fail to realize that not all women want to sleep with men. You know, lesbians. 🙂

Men's Rights Activist Lance Corporal

Evolution is also the reason why 5% of the men have sex with 75% of the women, because natural selection has produced women who instinctively seek out men between 6 feet 1.5 inches and 6 feet 4.25 inches, since these are the men best able to provide them with safety, security, and platinum Visa cards.

kirbywarp
kirbywarp
10 years ago

@aMiRA:

Actually, I do understand evolution, and I’m more consistant about it as well.

“… in order to ensure the survival of the human race, evolution needed to create a reason for men to love women..”
“… there was no reason for the evolutionary process to make a man’s penis specifically interesting to women…”
“If you understood evolution in the least, you’d understand it has no goals, and no design.”

Nice. You do realize that genitals evolved along with the human race, right? Men and women didn’t just pop into existance fully formed, and “merely the women who had vaginas that were pleasingly shaped for men, and the men who liked those vaginas, tended to spread on their genes and therefore survived.” This is an example of co-evolution, two mutually beneficial traits that evolve complementing each other. The attraction men and women feel are another example, evolved alongside the need to procreate to pass on genes. But this is kinda beside the point.

“In the past, men desired women, and women desired men’s ability to provide and protect her!”
“the worth of a man and his sexual abilities has evolutionarily been tied to his ability to impregnate a woman, be a provider for her and her children, and take care of all the physical needs that women simply are naturally unable to assist in”

You think that men are evolutionarily designed to provide and care for women, and that women are designed to make babies. That is incidental. Even if it were the case that women in the past tended to care for children, and men to hunt, what makes you think that those should be the roles of men and women today? As you say, evolution “has no goals, and no design.” So why insist that society must be built exactly the same way as the past?

Women are would be forced to bear children when pregnancy happens from sex. Or should women only have sex to make babies? Women do poorly in the job market exactly because of the notion that they wouldn’t be as good at it, or that they should stay at home and take care of children. Feminism recognized the sexual opression of women and fought for contraception to combat it, recognized their physical opression and fought for women to be able to hold jobs and not rely on a husband to live life.

darksidecat
darksidecat
10 years ago

What was the topic again? Meat? I could really use some good beef, the meats at the city supermarket just aren’t up to snuff with the local meatmarket back home. Red meat should be red dammit, not slightly brownish. I want a nice fresh steak. It doesn’t even have to be from a beef cow, I’ll take chewy old dairy cow steaks as long as they are fresh… Dammit, when I hear the words “meat market” I think of that wonderful little butcher shop that grinds its own spices and has meat that was often killed that very day. I am hungry now, for good fresh meat, it is a good thing cannibalism isn’t the worth the hassle. 😉

Plymouth
Plymouth
10 years ago

If all the awesome boys, uh, I mean manginas, suddenly stopped putting out I’d just take my pussy off the market and only sleep with girls. Yeah, I’m only a little bi, and I prefer boys to girls by about 5 to 1 but if suddenly all the boys turned into assholes, girls would start looking a LOT better! I’m sure I’m not the only one 🙂

RenKiss
10 years ago

I your see Plymouth, it seems to many of these MRA’s/MGTOW’s (whatever they call themselves) that bisexual or lesbian women don’t exist. They think the reason why all women don’t want to sleep with men like them is because of issues of height or some other bullshit, but ignore the fact that some women just prefer a vagina to a penis. Must be mind boggling for them. 🙂

Ami Angelwings
10 years ago

@Kirbywarp As I said, if you understood evolution you would have understood what I was saying rather than suddenly feigning that you don’t understand context. This is very dishonest, even for a feminist sympathizer.

You think that men are evolutionarily designed to provide and care for women, and that women are designed to make babies. That is incidental. Even if it were the case that women in the past tended to care for children, and men to hunt, what makes you think that those should be the roles of men and women today? As you say, evolution “has no goals, and no design.” So why insist that society must be built exactly the same way as the past?

So you believe that without outside, natural pressure, that we should make hundreds of generations of actual real live human beings suffer in the roles they don’t truly want to be in, and are naturally disinclined and dis-interested in filling, simply b/c feminism is hoping to shape human evolution with artificial selection processes? You truly a disgusting example of strict adherence to feminist dogma and doctrine. You don’t even CARE if you’re inflicting real harm on current and future generations of children simply to fulfill the Marxist feminist grand experiment of trying to eliminate gender and sexuality from society.

Feminism recognized the sexual opression of women and fought for contraception to combat it, recognized their physical opression and fought for women to be able to hold jobs and not rely on a husband to live life.

Kind of like how cigarette companies sell aids to addicts to help them quit smoking? The feminist lobby created the “problem” (by brainwashing women to work and lying to them that their husbands were abusing them) so they could “solve” it, conveniently to the benefit of their own ideology and to the harm of actual real women that are being used as pawns in this social and by your own admission, evolutionary experiment. Again, it sounds like you’re supporting a pretty misogynist position Kirby.

Molly Ren
10 years ago

@Kirby The demon barber of Fleet Street…

kirbywarp
kirbywarp
10 years ago

@RenKiss:

Oh, it’s easy enough to explain. Obviously the Feminist Movement has gotten women so against men that they are brainwashed into liking women instead, as another ploy to make sure men don’t get sex. The real conundrum is how to explain gay men.

Oh wait, they are brainwashed to not like women because men loving women is evil, so feminists make them woman-like and go after men instead. Or something. Feminism seems to be very contradictory in their eyes.

Molly Ren
10 years ago

I mean @darksidecat. ><

Men's Rights Activist Lance Corporal

@ kirbywarp:

You must die! I alone am best!

Molly Ren
10 years ago

*Draws sword to defend Kirby*

kirbywarp
kirbywarp
10 years ago

@aMiRA

O_O ummm….

“So you believe that without outside, natural pressure, that we should make hundreds of generations of actual real live human beings suffer in the roles they don’t truly want to be in, and are naturally disinclined and dis-interested in filling…”

I would like to hear your opinion on the LGBTQ community, as well as on the women who don’t want to be housewives and the men who want to be stay-at-home-dads. Or are you interested in forcing these people to “suffer in the roles they don’t truly want to be in?” And if your answer is that the Feminist movement caused these people to suddenly dislike their gender roles, how do you explain the existance of all of these people before the Feminist movement even existed? Oh wait, you did say that.

“The feminist lobby created the “problem” (by brainwashing women to work and lying to them that their husbands were abusing them) so they could “solve” it”

Interesting quote from your source:

“”By selling smokeless tobacco,” Sweanor said, cigarette companies can “morph the way many other industries have historically morphed into selling products that are far less hazardous.””

The comparison seems invalid.

kirbywarp
kirbywarp
10 years ago

@MRALC:

So.. *draws sword* It has come to this. Then let this be our final battle! *charges*

Molly Ren
10 years ago

Wait a minute, I don’t need a sword! *sics vagina on evildoers*

Ami Angelwings
10 years ago

The great experiment of feminism has been admitted by even one of their most ardent believers! Now do you see the truth or will you still stick your heads in the sand as an ostrich would in crisis! Do you not understand the threat that we face now? The threat that has already caused so much harm in the form of unemployment, homelessness, violence and crime by a population crippled by forced immigration, affirmative action and mass abandonment and murder of children by feminists, Marxists and racial radicals! Feminism is an ideology based on lies and the self-aggrandizement of a select few! It does not care about you, or your children! Even you admit that feminism is trying to control and shape our very evolution, a process that will take many generations, if our society even survives that long! How much of your life, of your children’s lives will you sacrifice! The USSA is already on the verge of collapse, and you want to strain our economy and our social fabric further on this feminist gold calf! I have already offered you my challenge! Yet I have heard no reply! As usual, there is only the bleating and mockery of the masses as David feeds you bread and indulges you with circuses! Do you fear challenging your beliefs so much! Do you fear being wrong? As I said, you have nothing to lose! If you are correct, things do not change! If you are not correct however, and I am, and do not assist us and we fail, you have everything to lose! The choice is yours!

PEACE AND FREEDOM!!!

Ami A. Angelwings

kirbywarp
kirbywarp
10 years ago

@aMiRA:

“The USSA is already on the verge of collapse, and you want to strain our economy and our social fabric further on this feminist gold calf! I have already offered you my challenge! Yet I have heard no reply! As usual, there is only the bleating and mockery of the masses as David feeds you bread and indulges you with circuses!”

“Kirby thank you for engaging me. It’s weird that nobody else is given how often they pounce on other MRAs in this echo chamber that David claims is a free and fair comments section. ”

I’ma just leave this here. The rest of your screed speaks for itself, really.

Ami Angelwings
10 years ago

I would like to hear your opinion on the LGBTQ community, as well as on the women who don’t want to be housewives and the men who want to be stay-at-home-dads. Or are you interested in forcing these people to “suffer in the roles they don’t truly want to be in?” And if your answer is that the Feminist movement caused these people to suddenly dislike their gender roles, how do you explain the existance of all of these people before the Feminist movement even existed? Oh wait, you did say that.

Feminism caused these problems, and you think they can solve it? This is hilarious. I’m sure feminist history books say all sorts of things that you believe without question. That’s a loyal beta.

“By selling smokeless tobacco,” Sweanor said, cigarette companies can “morph the way many other industries have historically morphed into selling products that are far less hazardous.”

When feminism decides to stop being hazardous and start working to correct it’s insane experiment, call me. Again, you are a misogynist. You just don’t know it.

Ami Angelwings
10 years ago

Why are you quoting something I said, with something another poster said? I am not responsible for what some MRA you choose to quote says. I’m not even an MRA or a feminist. Perhaps you have reading comprehension problems. You feminists always say that you’re not a hivemind. Apparently you believe your critics to be. Typical.

Sarah
Sarah
10 years ago

This whole thread is hilarious.

So, aMiRA, Feminism caused teh gay? How do you explain the widespread practice of homosexuality, overtly and covertly in every society ever? Most noticeably, the ancient Greeks.

FEMINISM CAUSES LUNG CANCER!

Sarah
Sarah
10 years ago

OHMYGOD SHE’S SPLIT INTO MULTIPLE TROLLS!

This is terrifying.

RenKiss
10 years ago

@aMiRA

Feminism caused these problems, and you think they can solve it? This is hilarious. I’m sure feminist history books say all sorts of things that you believe without question. That’s a loyal beta.

Yeah, because LGBTQ people never ever ever ever ever existed. It’s something created by the Feminist movement. Sexuality and gender identity are things that are set in stone. I mean, what the hell were the ancient Greeks doing all that time? They weren’t having sex with each other, that’s just some Feminist bs!!!!

Molly Ren
10 years ago

MRAmi, I want to know where the feminists are keeping all the movies with lesbian main characters. And all the female action heroes. And WHY didn’t Vin Diesel and The Rock make out in Fast Five???

Ami Angelwings
10 years ago

And now I must away to blissful slumber! Unlike you privileged women and brain-washed men, I have labours to accomplish in the morn! Twenty six hour work days are not uncommon amongst us true Americans thanks to having to pick up the slack of those under-educated, under-qualified and under-skilled workers who have the “oppression” of being over-hired and over-promoted thanks to affirmative action! It has been invigorating to debate and challenge you! I hope I have at least made you question your beliefs and perhaps in indulging your affectation for irrational argument, changed some minds as well!

PEACE AND FREEDOM!!!

Ami A. Angelwings

kirbywarp
kirbywarp
10 years ago

@aMiRA:

I only see one name, or are you (all?) too terrified to even be known by anonymous handles? What a wonderful way of showing how awesome MRAs truly are, by hacking an account for multiple people to post on. -_-

Alright, so the history books say something. Do you have evidence to prove them wrong? Or how about this, you might say you don’t need to prove a the claim the books are making. Fine. So what evidence do you have that these are history books tainted by the foul hands of feminism? Are the worlds scientists, historians, and archeologists all in on it as well? What evidence do you have of this massive feminist conspiracy?

kirbywarp
kirbywarp
10 years ago

So.. .does that mean that only one of the cabal of trolls have flounced? Or did they all decide to flounce at once? I’m confused…

Molly Ren
10 years ago

Or is it really Ami, playing Poe?

The plot thickens…

Ami Angelwings
10 years ago

So, aMiRA, Feminism caused teh gay? How do you explain the widespread practice of homosexuality, overtly and covertly in every society ever? Most noticeably, the ancient Greeks.

Only a feminist would demean the great sporting culture of ancient Greece by referring to wrestling as homosexuality. Typical feminist hypocrisy. You talk about fighting homophobia but when backed into a corner, call men gay.

MRAmi, I want to know where the feminists are keeping all the movies with lesbian main characters. And all the female action heroes. And WHY didn’t Vin Diesel and The Rock make out in Fast Five???

The fact that there are so few homosexual characters in mainstream film is proof that the natural state of humans is adverse to it. Feminists have been pushing for this for how long? And yet they are still a handful. Why? Because people won’t pay to watch it. This is why feminists are always so against a free market, and want a socialist state, a free market, even a semi free one, quickly reveals their ideology for what it is.

Nice try though.

kirbywarp
kirbywarp
10 years ago

That’s it. I demand a flounce from every one of the different trolls heard on Ami’s account. To prove that they are not a hive mind that speaks with one voice!

Ami Angelwings
10 years ago

@Kirbywarp

http://www.historians.org/perspectives/issues/2000/0010/0010vie1.cfm

Or is she just another outlier like Andrea Dworkin?

Hippodameia
Hippodameia
10 years ago

OK, this is seriously weird.