Ladies and Gentlemen, I present to you the most odious misogynist bullshit I have seen thus far on the topic of the Slutwalks: a post on The Third Edge of the Sword, a blog that seems to go out of its way to be offensive and “edgy,” that takes victim blaming to a whole new level. Here’s the basic, er, argument of the post, which the author has put in giant pink letters so we won’t miss it:
Every woman marching in the Edmonton Slut Walk is publicly declaring herself a slut. This means every woman there desires sex with any and all partners. Any sexual activity you initiate with them comes with implied consent. They cannot say no, and if they do understand all their ‘no’s mean yes. They are all asking for it. They want it bad. Now. From you. Go get ’em!
Some other highlights:
[I]f you … dress slutty, men are going to stare at you. We’re going to catcall. We are going to tell you all sorts of sexual things we want to do to your body. And if you dress slutty and wave your ass in our face, we will do them. The organizers of this event are not oblivious to this point: what they want is a fake sexual revolution. They want to be able to impersonate sluts without actually being sluts, and that’s unacceptable. If you don’t want to be treated as a piece of meat, don’t marinate and grill yourself and sit perched on a piece of garlic toast. You dress slutty, you show off the goods, you try to get a reaction, you will get one. Hint: it’s not always going to be the one you want. …
The “reaction” he has in mind is rape. By calling rape a “reaction” instead of what it is — a criminal assault on someone, an act of sexual violence, a violation — he of course is attempting to switch the blame to the victim. He spells out his “logic” in more detail:
[W]hen you impersonate a slut we don’t fine you, and we don’t throw you in jail. There’s really only one punishment for dressing like a streetwalker when you aren’t one: you do have to endure the occasional rape. You should really suffer it in silence. Accept the character flaw within you that caused this, and move on. Police and court resources are already busy enough with real criminals: like actual rapists who do nasty things to their niece or the homeless native chick passed out under the bridge, or a conservatively dressed urban professional walking to her car, or a girl out jogging in a track suit. To equate the act of actually violating and raping one of these people with having sex with a girl who’s every square millimetre of public persona screams anybody who wants to can screw me right now is ridiculous.
Once again, this brand of misogyny leads to some conclusions that are pretty misandrist – namely, the notion that men are at heart rapists who can’t control their violent urges:
If you go out on the street in an outfit that would make Britney Spears feel uncomfortable, you do so knowing that your ultimate aim is to make men want you. Well, they want you now. Congrats. Oh, wait, you mean you didn’t understand what that implied? That in the great Bell curve of sexual congress you’ve just pushed everybody on the right-hand side of the -2 std devs line past that imaginary barrier that says “there is no power in the universe powerful enough to stop me from sliding my finger inside your panties”? I call bullshit. You do know. But you want to be a virginal slut, to dress in ways that makes men helpless to their urges but still leaves you fully in restrictive control.
The blogger concludes by arguing that the Slutwalkers are all “lying bitches” because they dress like they wasn’t to be raped, but do not actually want to be raped. Then he makes this lovely suggestion:
If your wife is one of them, I’m very very sorry. Maybe a good rape might make her a little more manageable around the house.
Now this post is an atmittedly extreme example of a misogynistic response to the Slutwalks. But the basic “logic” of this blogger’s would-be argument is essentially identical to that of many MRA and other “manosphere” pieces I’ve seen on the subject, the main difference between them being that this guy embraces the logical conclusion of his argument — that Slutwalkers deserve to be raped — while the MRAs who make essentially the same argument (and fling the same sorts of insults at the Slutwalkers) make a show of saying that they don’t really think the Slutwalkers “deserve” it. And maybe they’ve convinced themselves that this caveat means something . But in that case the extreme reaction that manosphere misogynists have had to the Slutwalks – the insults thrown at the Slutwalkers, the “jokey” references to rape, the prurient sneering – makes little sense. If you argue that women are “asking for it” when they dress like “sluts,” you’re essentially saying they deserve it. You’re making the same argument this guy is making, but pretending you aren’t.
NOTE: The graphic above is taken from the official web site for the Edmonton SlutWalk 2011, which took place a week ago. Here are some pictures of the march.
Argh, should have proof-red better. The bonuses I was referring to were relation bonuses, in case that wasn’t clear.
Kave
Do me a favour and dont insult my intelligence please. I believe I understand my profession quite well I have been doing it for 21 yrs. The dynamics I am talking about are quite obvious in the industry.
Feyline
Missile command, Avenger would be my level of video game. So far removed from your world. I understand your point though. Thanks for the input. 😉
http://www.manitobaclub.mb.ca/
This is my club. About 10 years or so ago it was opened to female members and we have a couple (including my wife on her own separate account) . Take a look at the links to other affiliated clubs. The old boys network is alive and well. I can walk into any of those and make a deal on a handshake.
You are at best naive regarding how business works.
Fuck you Kave.
To clarify I really don’t intend to go into the business world with the supposed “old boy’s club”, beause lookism and heightism reign absolute supreme there, for men and women. I’ll enter a field where it is achievement that is recognized, not if you’re over 6 feet and loud and obnoxious.
“Fuck you Kave.”
Oh, good one! (rolls eyes)
“Oh, good one”
Well, when you’re completely wrong and get pwned so badly, a flaccid, limp response is all that’s left. And then perhaps a little bitter maturbation while crying.
“although I agree with most of what you are saying, I’m not sure I accept the proposition that women being preferred for babysitting jobs is a privilege.”
Yeah, but I wasn’t talking about babysitting “jobs”; I was talking about a friend doing a favor for another friend, and that friend preferring one friend above the other — which I would argue could be called a “privilege,” though … you know, kind of a weak one in the world of privileges. It was just the first thing that popped into my head as far as spheres in which women do have privilege over men. Not uncomplicated privilege, but privilege nonetheless.
Although Kave makes a great point too. Contrary to MRAs’ fevered assertions that fathers ain’t shit, I’ve seen again and again that a father who does anything at all with his kids is lauded, while a mom is just doing her duty.
As for everything else, I have a feeling that titfortat and Mr. Al are bound and determined to see this conversation turn into oppression olympics, and I’m not really into that. You wanna be the poorest widdle baby in the room? Be my guest. I reserve the right to point and laugh.
MRLA
Either way we rule the world and you are just an insect,
“And then perhaps a little bitter maturbation while crying.”
Oh, you mean chooching? Hilarious!
@Bee I hate oppression olympics -_-;; This is why I dun get involved in them >_:| i def dun see it as poker chips to play… or “i suffered worse than you!”.. if i feel comfortable, i’ll share it to show my exps… or etc… but oppression olympics is silly to argue, to me -_-;; there actually is a reality out there w/ real privilege/oppression dynamics that we’ve all been affected by… and having privilege in some dynamics doesn’t mean nebody’s saying you have it in ALL. -_-;;
I’m not going to get involved in this (nor am I talking about w/e’s going on in this thread xD ) : just some thoughts you triggered in me Bee :] cuz like you, I HATE oppression olympics, and I HATE “i suffered more! no i did!” -_-;;
@Bee I hate oppression olympics -_-;; This is why I dun get involved in them : I mean ppl prolly know some of my life by now and what I’ve been thru, b/c it pops up here and there, mostly in support of somebody who made a rly tough reveal of something incredibly painful to them, and I want them to know they’re not alone, not alone in terms of putting themselves out there for possible trolling : but I don’t go “oh yeah, well I suffered too, XYZ happened to me!” suffering and trauma is not a freaking game : nor is it a competition..
privilege/oppression isn’t some zero sum win/loss thing, nor is it as simple as “if you have some privilege you will never face nething again”… it’s more complicated and more specific generally than that… :
I could say “there’s no thin privilege, I’m struggling w/ an eating disorder that nearly killed me”.. or “there’s no abled privilege… my father was horribly abusive” but what’s the point? (and are we going to argue WHOSE childhood abuse is worse now too? well MY FATHER WAS BIGGER THAN YOURS SO I WAS HURT MORE? like where does it end? -_- ) there IS privilege (privilege is prolly the wrong word, cuz it treats oppression as default, and you’re getting a bonus, i wish there was a word for “not having this particular oppression”), I have it, and just cuz i have it and acknowledge it doesn’t mean nebody is telling me that my trauma is invalid or even that the privilege should have protected me… honestly, I hate my traumas and that they ever happened >:| i def dun see it as poker chips to play… or “i suffered worse than you!”.. if i feel comfortable, i’ll share it to show my exps… or etc… but oppression olympics is silly to argue, to me -_-;; there actually is a reality out there w/ real privilege/oppression dynamics that we’ve all been affected by… and having privilege in some dynamics doesn’t mean nebody’s saying you have it in ALL. -_-;;
I’m not going to get involved in this (nor am I talking about w/e’s going on in this thread xD ) : just some thoughts you triggered in me Bee :] cuz like you, I HATE oppression olympics, and I HATE “i suffered more! no i did!” -_-;;
MRAL
It is all about who you know and who your father is. Nothing else.
Your heightism issues are not issues in real old boys clubs. Your wonky eye? What did your father do?
That is the way the real world works, and frankly when you show yourself to be a weak pathetic no-one it’s not by chance that you are treated as a non- entity. A garbage person.
Hey, MRAL is pretty quick with the insults himself, but let’s not all gang up on him.
Best chooching scene in cinema history: Naomi Watts in Mullholland Drive!
That is the way the real world works, and frankly when you show yourself to be a weak pathetic no-one it’s not by chance that you are treated as a non- entity. A garbage person.(Kave)
How old are you again, wow?
My dad was a fucking bum, I don’t think he ever rose above menial labor. Now, well, I don’t know where he is. My mom is a pretty successful real estate agent.
Then you should be thankful for your mom..mral
Is she still putting up with you?
Why would she “put up with me”? I saved her about half of tuition at Boston University, and I’m paying for room and board. That’s way fucking more than most of the retards I know, probably including yourself.
Or are you still looking for male parents in the mra?
So she only had to pay half? Half more then your deadbeat dad did? If you were not here would she have saved?
Why does she owe you anything?
I see you’re getting ableist too, on top of everything else. You’re truly a class-act.
How did you save her half of your tuition? Was she going to school? You have not “saved” her anything. You have cost her and given her no appreciation.
Garbage person.
Please tell me where I said she owed me anything, I’m fascinated.
Oh wait, you’re talking out of your fucking ass, douchebag.
I’m just taking you to task regarding your apparent assumption that I’m a burden on my mom.