Ladies and Gentlemen, I present to you the most odious misogynist bullshit I have seen thus far on the topic of the Slutwalks: a post on The Third Edge of the Sword, a blog that seems to go out of its way to be offensive and βedgy,β that takes victim blaming to a whole new level. Hereβs the basic, er, argument of the post, which the author has put in giant pink letters so we wonβt miss it:
Every woman marching in the Edmonton Slut Walk is publicly declaring herself a slut. This means every woman there desires sex with any and all partners. Any sexual activity you initiate with them comes with implied consent. They cannot say no, and if they do understand all their ‘no’s mean yes. They are all asking for it. They want it bad. Now. From you. Go get ’em!
Some other highlights:
[I]f you … dress slutty, men are going to stare at you. We’re going to catcall. We are going to tell you all sorts of sexual things we want to do to your body. And if you dress slutty and wave your ass in our face, we will do them. The organizers of this event are not oblivious to this point: what they want is a fake sexual revolution. They want to be able to impersonate sluts without actually being sluts, and that’s unacceptable. If you don’t want to be treated as a piece of meat, don’t marinate and grill yourself and sit perched on a piece of garlic toast. You dress slutty, you show off the goods, you try to get a reaction, you will get one. Hint: it’s not always going to be the one you want. β¦
The “reaction” he has in mind is rape. By calling rape a “reaction” instead of what it is — a criminal assault on someone, an act of sexual violence, a violation — he of course is attempting to switch the blame to the victim. He spells out his “logic” in more detail:
[W]hen you impersonate a slut we don’t fine you, and we don’t throw you in jail. There’s really only one punishment for dressing like a streetwalker when you aren’t one: you do have to endure the occasional rape. You should really suffer it in silence. Accept the character flaw within you that caused this, and move on. Police and court resources are already busy enough with real criminals: like actual rapists who do nasty things to their niece or the homeless native chick passed out under the bridge, or a conservatively dressed urban professional walking to her car, or a girl out jogging in a track suit. To equate the act of actually violating and raping one of these people with having sex with a girl who’s every square millimetre of public persona screams anybody who wants to can screw me right now is ridiculous.
Once again, this brand of misogyny leads to some conclusions that are pretty misandrist β namely, the notion that men are at heart rapists who canβt control their violent urges:
If you go out on the street in an outfit that would make Britney Spears feel uncomfortable, you do so knowing that your ultimate aim is to make men want you. Well, they want you now. Congrats. Oh, wait, you mean you didn’t understand what that implied? That in the great Bell curve of sexual congress you’ve just pushed everybody on the right-hand side of the -2 std devs line past that imaginary barrier that says “there is no power in the universe powerful enough to stop me from sliding my finger inside your panties”? I call bullshit. You do know. But you want to be a virginal slut, to dress in ways that makes men helpless to their urges but still leaves you fully in restrictive control.
The blogger concludes by arguing that the Slutwalkers are all βlying bitchesβ because they dress like they wasnβt to be raped, but do not actually want to be raped. Then he makes this lovely suggestion:
If your wife is one of them, I’m very very sorry. Maybe a good rape might make her a little more manageable around the house.
Now this post is an atmittedly extreme example of a misogynistic response to the Slutwalks. But the basic βlogicβ of this bloggerβs would-be argument is essentially identical to that of many MRA and other βmanosphereβ pieces Iβve seen on the subject, the main difference between them being that this guy embraces the logical conclusion of his argument — that Slutwalkers deserve to be raped — while the MRAs who make essentially the same argument (and fling the same sorts of insults at the Slutwalkers) make a show of saying that they donβt really think the Slutwalkers βdeserveβ it. And maybe theyβve convinced themselves that this caveat means something . But in that case the extreme reaction that manosphere misogynists have had to the Slutwalks β the insults thrown at the Slutwalkers, the βjokeyβ references to rape, the prurient sneering β makes little sense. If you argue that women are βasking for itβ when they dress like βsluts,β youβre essentially saying they deserve it. Youβre making the same argument this guy is making, but pretending you arenβt.
NOTE: The graphic above is taken from the official web site for the Edmonton SlutWalk 2011, which took place a week ago. Here are some pictures of the march.
Not sure, but I’m guessing the reason it got marked as spam was because of that repeated phrase.
Thank you for bringing my comment forth, and I will also try to avoid repeated phrases like that as well. π
that seems to indicate that you are financially secure and like having beautiful things around, you shouldnβt be surprised if it gets broken into and rainsacked? Homeowners should be held accountable for displaying their financial success.β
amusingly enough, a couple of years my office got broken into and burglarized, and the guy came back at night while I was there; when I posted about the experience on my blog, a troll came by and dropped EXACTLY THIS ARGUMENT.
tabby, I don’t mind the rhetorical repetition of phrases — I believe Martin Luther King may have repeated a few phrases from time to time — but evidently the spam filter does!
@klopbob Absolutely. I have to wonder if maybe North American culture didn’t have such a history of “zomg sex is dirrrrty and sinful!” then there would be less assumptions about what constitutes as consent and what doesn’t. Making it clear by asking and telling is definitely the smart way to go.
anyway, I should stop bumping this thread now since we’ve got 2 new posts π
@Pecunium:
You’re going to far with this one. You sound almost exactly like the guy quoted in the OP. If you’re parodying its style, its not that funny. If you’re losing your temper, threatening violence is not gonna improve shit. Find some other way to vent.
Pecumium, woah! Comment deleted. Don’t post stuff like that here.
sarahjones: @Ion: Iβm not sure how to take your comment. While I donβt want to presume as to your motivation,
You don’t need to presume. He’s an MRA. He’s also a rape apologist. From watching him in the past, the tickle of warning you have that he’s acting in bad faith is correct.
What was the comment? I didn’t get to see, can you repost it?
…..No? Maybe you should get your kicks somewhere else?
Uh, when shit gets deleted because David thinks it’s too extreme, re-posting it is the LAST thing a person wants to do. That’s a ticket straight to ban-town. (I didn’t see it either. I can live with that.)
What, did Mr. Smug Word-Twisting Lawyer have a meltdown of some kind and I missed it? Dang.
I do love the ‘rape apologist’ and ‘MRA’ accusations though. Kind of like “Hey, what are you eating? Is that falafel? You must support Al-Qaeda! Terrorist lover!”
hmm, now I made myself hungry.
Ion, the fact that you “enjoy” those accusations pretty much means that you’re just here to stir shit up for your own enjoyment. Troll, classic-style in other words.
Kirbywarp, thanks for the video. That really helped me feel better after all of NWOslave’s comments (my rape was NOT the fault of what I was wearing – the rapist bears the blame for that!) Excellent, happy video, and I’ll have to find a CD with that song on it. Happy music is good stuff! π I look forward to checking out the videos that Spearfahoc posted too.
pretty much means that youβre just here to stir shit up for your own enjoyment. Troll, classic-style in other words(Seraph)
Have you read the words at the top of this blog?
Misogyny. I mock it.
I find many of the most egregious amd entertaining examples of it on Men’s Rights and Men Going Their Own Way (MGTOW) sites.
No stirring up shit for enjoyment. This is serious business here, Geez, really. Classic is correct.
David, I apologise. I won’t try to make an excuse on the difference between threatening and menacing, because the point was that what NWO is arguing is at least as extreme as the statement I made. I accept that the level of detail was probably a bit much. I know why I chose that style of rhetoric, and see why you might not think it acceptable. I’ll refrain from doing it again.
Kirbywarp, no I am not losing my temper with NWO, per se. The tenor of, “sluts” have it coming, while those who are actually advocating rape are just reacting to “provocation” is insane. If you’d like I can send you a line explaining just why I chose that style to make the statement.
T4T – I meant that Ion is an example of a classic-type troll, one who stirs up shit for the sake of stirring it up, not because he cares about either side of the argument. If he was a feminist, he would either be angry that he’d been called a rape apologist, or worried what he’d said to give that impression. If he was an MRA, he’d be proud of being called such. Instead, he’s just amused that he managed to infuriate Pecunium.
In other words, troll. Misogynist, but not (necessarily) an MRA.
Small wonder you chose to defend him.
As for “serious business”, this blog has always served a serious purpose with its mockery. But even if that wasn’t the case, this particular thread is about a particularly nasty bit of misogyny, and the emotions have become so raw that yes, this one is serious.
Seraph
I am neither a feminist nor an MRA and I dont get too flustered when people call me names(mysogynist comes to mind). You see, most people need to fit others into a neat little box. It makes their world comfortable. I agree with some of what Ion says and some of what the feminists on here say. I also think some of what both say is just bull. But thats just me.
Well duh. I even said so a while ago.
I do get bored easily though, so I’ll let you get back to the serious business of collecting MRA quotes and making fun of them. On the internet. π
Ion: I engaged in rhetorical excess. It was probably too pointed in the ways it was said, but if you want to see some word twisting I understand that you are jealous I managed to be more offensive to Dave’s sensibilities than you have. Keep working at it and you too may manage to get a comment deleted.
And, to all who may have seen, and so been offended by, my comment, I’m sorry. It was too directed in what it was doing, which is what made it worth deleting.
Keep working at it and you too may manage to get a comment deleted.(Pecunium)
This last one makes you sound like youre pissed that he hasnt yet. π
I don’t know about others, T4T, but I’m not buying. You don’t have the guts to come out and defend misogynistic bullshit on the merits, so instead, you attempt to validate it through ridiculous equivocations and by berating feminist (but not MRA) posters for their tone, their word choice, and their insufficient efforts to be kind, understanding and differential towards raging pieces of sub-human excrement who just plain hate women. I’m sorry to say this whole passive-aggressive exercise of yours is quite transparent, and your attitude of holy superiority is understandably objectionable to posters here. I don’t know who you think you are fooling. My guess would be, no one.
Amused
I dont need to address any of the MRA because it is so blantly obvious who the real hateful nutjobs are, just getting them going more serves no purpose(in my mind). It is also pretty obvious who the relatively unstable ones are also so I dont see the need to mock or tease them. Now as far as my attitude superiority goes, well, if you say so I guess that means its true.
I would love it if I was able to actually say something that drives some of you nuts without having to be labelled a troll, mysogynist, rape apologist, white male privileged…etc. I know thats asking alot, afterall, I do have a tendency to poke sometimes(not as bad as Ion). π
Keep working at it and you too may manage to get a comment deleted.
Way ahead of you. I had a pretty big post deleted AND was banned for a day! Pfft, I was having comments deleted before it was cool and all the posers started doing it.
Amused: The irony of your nickname is delicious.