Ladies and Gentlemen, I present to you the most odious misogynist bullshit I have seen thus far on the topic of the Slutwalks: a post on The Third Edge of the Sword, a blog that seems to go out of its way to be offensive and “edgy,” that takes victim blaming to a whole new level. Here’s the basic, er, argument of the post, which the author has put in giant pink letters so we won’t miss it:
Every woman marching in the Edmonton Slut Walk is publicly declaring herself a slut. This means every woman there desires sex with any and all partners. Any sexual activity you initiate with them comes with implied consent. They cannot say no, and if they do understand all their ‘no’s mean yes. They are all asking for it. They want it bad. Now. From you. Go get ’em!
Some other highlights:
[I]f you … dress slutty, men are going to stare at you. We’re going to catcall. We are going to tell you all sorts of sexual things we want to do to your body. And if you dress slutty and wave your ass in our face, we will do them. The organizers of this event are not oblivious to this point: what they want is a fake sexual revolution. They want to be able to impersonate sluts without actually being sluts, and that’s unacceptable. If you don’t want to be treated as a piece of meat, don’t marinate and grill yourself and sit perched on a piece of garlic toast. You dress slutty, you show off the goods, you try to get a reaction, you will get one. Hint: it’s not always going to be the one you want. …
The “reaction” he has in mind is rape. By calling rape a “reaction” instead of what it is — a criminal assault on someone, an act of sexual violence, a violation — he of course is attempting to switch the blame to the victim. He spells out his “logic” in more detail:
[W]hen you impersonate a slut we don’t fine you, and we don’t throw you in jail. There’s really only one punishment for dressing like a streetwalker when you aren’t one: you do have to endure the occasional rape. You should really suffer it in silence. Accept the character flaw within you that caused this, and move on. Police and court resources are already busy enough with real criminals: like actual rapists who do nasty things to their niece or the homeless native chick passed out under the bridge, or a conservatively dressed urban professional walking to her car, or a girl out jogging in a track suit. To equate the act of actually violating and raping one of these people with having sex with a girl who’s every square millimetre of public persona screams anybody who wants to can screw me right now is ridiculous.
Once again, this brand of misogyny leads to some conclusions that are pretty misandrist – namely, the notion that men are at heart rapists who can’t control their violent urges:
If you go out on the street in an outfit that would make Britney Spears feel uncomfortable, you do so knowing that your ultimate aim is to make men want you. Well, they want you now. Congrats. Oh, wait, you mean you didn’t understand what that implied? That in the great Bell curve of sexual congress you’ve just pushed everybody on the right-hand side of the -2 std devs line past that imaginary barrier that says “there is no power in the universe powerful enough to stop me from sliding my finger inside your panties”? I call bullshit. You do know. But you want to be a virginal slut, to dress in ways that makes men helpless to their urges but still leaves you fully in restrictive control.
The blogger concludes by arguing that the Slutwalkers are all “lying bitches” because they dress like they wasn’t to be raped, but do not actually want to be raped. Then he makes this lovely suggestion:
If your wife is one of them, I’m very very sorry. Maybe a good rape might make her a little more manageable around the house.
Now this post is an atmittedly extreme example of a misogynistic response to the Slutwalks. But the basic “logic” of this blogger’s would-be argument is essentially identical to that of many MRA and other “manosphere” pieces I’ve seen on the subject, the main difference between them being that this guy embraces the logical conclusion of his argument — that Slutwalkers deserve to be raped — while the MRAs who make essentially the same argument (and fling the same sorts of insults at the Slutwalkers) make a show of saying that they don’t really think the Slutwalkers “deserve” it. And maybe they’ve convinced themselves that this caveat means something . But in that case the extreme reaction that manosphere misogynists have had to the Slutwalks – the insults thrown at the Slutwalkers, the “jokey” references to rape, the prurient sneering – makes little sense. If you argue that women are “asking for it” when they dress like “sluts,” you’re essentially saying they deserve it. You’re making the same argument this guy is making, but pretending you aren’t.
NOTE: The graphic above is taken from the official web site for the Edmonton SlutWalk 2011, which took place a week ago. Here are some pictures of the march.
^__^ Headbands made to look like a partially made tinfoil hat, with the phrase “thanks for the advice, but I’m out of tinfoil.”
XDDDD
I like Kirby’s combination of my idea :3 We make a good team 😀
Hi Feyline! Where you at? North, South, East, City, or Peninsula? And why don’t we ever hear about the West Bay? I wonder what they’re trying to hide… 🙂
Ami & Kirby: Yes! I might actually want a headband like that for all my counter-protests involving silly radicals (like the next time the Westborough Baptist Church shows up ’round these parts; Best. Counter-Protests. Ever.)
Capt. Bathrobe: I’m South myself, in Santa Clara county. And yes, the silence of those West-dwelling folks is awfully suspicious. *invisible beard stroke* 😛
The way I see it (because everyone totally cares how I see it!) is that this kind of advice is completely redundant. Women already know that kind of stuff. So do men. Everyone’s been warned about acting slutty and its consequences, so it’s no new news when some new brilliant jackass informs you, “Hey there, don’t show cleavage or some guys might get the wrong idea!”, and you’re going, “Do you know how hard it is to NOT show cleavage in any way, shape or form in fashionable women’s clothing? Especially if you are larger-breasted, in which case, your very chest is obscene?”
The advice doesn’t correlate to real-world experiences, and it doesn’t protect anyone. It’s as useful as saying, “Don’t eat chocolate! It causes acne!”. There’s a teeny-tiny chance that chocolate is affecting your skin, but chances are that it’s something else. There might be some women who were raped specifically because of what they were wearing, but correlating what the victim was wearing at the time of her attack hasn’t shown any actual relationship. Is there some sort of clothing that can protect you from rape? If so, let’s give some to all women, everywhere! Is it a full-body covering? Because women wearing something like an abaya or a veil still get assaulted. Modesty doesn’t protect you. It’d be totally great if it did – no woman would be raped if this were the case.
The reason that comparisons like wearing a helmet don’t work is because these things are working against physics to protect you, not the judgment of another person. But say that someone decides to run you down and beat you with a baseball bat. Will the simple act of wearing a helmet matter? Not really, because they can just take off the helmet. The helmet doesn’t stop the person from wanting to hurt you. The helmet doesn’t stop them from thinking you deserve what you’re getting. There isn’t a magical rape-shield.
Best sum up ever Klopbop 🙂
Am I the only one who gets hyperbole vibes here? I mean, extreme, but I suspect Futrelle has taken it too literally. This is a parody (IMO) of the hysterical feminist talk that permeates the blogosphere, that takes a nugget of truth and blows it up to holy hell.
So… a parody of hystarical feminist talk is one that… blames women for being raped? What the hell you smokin, MRAL?
I’m fucking sick of MRA “thought” right now. It’s like my misogydunderfuck tolerator is borked.
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“It’s like my misogydunderfuck tolerator is borked.”
Am I the only one who gets hyperbole vibes here?
pretty much.
Happy song instead!
No, just the TONE is a parody of feminist-talk. Just as there’s a nugget of truth in the “dressing slutty/walking through Harlem with a chain of diamonds” comparison, there’s a nugget of truth in many feminist arguments. However, in both feministspeak and this article, the speaker becomes so obsessed with the nugget of truth that they lose all perspective.
MRAL:
To answer your question, no. None of us are getting a “hyperbolic vibe.” They did not take a “nugget of truth” and they did not blow it up to “holy hell.” This is the same shit that we always here from the more extreme MRAs, just in nice compacted form. But you know what? I’m game. Read the post in context (with references to previous work and no hints of sarcasm) and riddle me this; how on earth do you come to the conclusion that this is a “parody?”
@Ami:
Here’s another one! ^__^
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“Believe it or not, I’m walking on air, never thought I could be so free.”
Since we’re sharing our favourite songs… one of my favourite songs, from one of my favourite films :3 (a little NSFW)
Happy boppy and fun :3
Also, MRAL, we’ve just spent the last 50 comments or so disproving the comparison of rape to theft. Do yourself a favor and reread our conversation with NWO, then come back if you still think the comparison is sound.
@Ami:
Seems I got the annotation wrong, and possibly the cost. Should probably be “3 U”
Oh, also, I was eating lunch today and I got to thinking if there might be such a thing as “cosmetic” eye transplants, in which an eye is transplanted into the socket and attached to the optic nerve, and thus looks entirely normal but is non-functional. I wasn’t able to find anything for or against it with a Google search, but I’d imagine there’s not much of a demand- after all, it would only be applied to people with one eye where the other is deformed. Does anyone here have any information on that?
Hush up, MRAL, grownups are having a real talk right now. You can show us all your one trick pony some other thread.
Really? You don’t even bother to hide the derail, just a blatant “Let’s talk about me instead” on a thread about a blogger who said women whose behavior he disapproved of DESERVED TO BE RAPED?!!
You think it’s hyperbole, maybe a little extreme but not so bad to ever say anyone DESERVES TO BE RAPED. Mr ‘Gurlz spit on meee becuz I’m not tall and shit’ thinks we’re the ones who are over-reacting.
(Damn, but that’s so precious it makes me want to retch. And get all capslocky. Quick, someone post another song link.)
You’re an asshole, if you don’t want to respond you’re free to not respond. These threads go off topic regularly.
Oh, good lord, the fucking eye again.
People who have lost an eye usually get a prosthetic eye of glass or similar material. It wouldn’t make any sense to transplant an organic eye into someone’s head, since it wouldn’t work and glass eyes look just as real. And as a matter of fact, there’s considerable demand for artificial eyes, since it’s not that uncommon for people to lose an eye for various reasons. It happened to a kid in my neighborhood when I was growing up.
If your asymmetrical eye is functional, you absolutely should not remove it. If it’s nonfunctional, yes, you could look into getting a glass eye, if it bothers you that much.
“Does anyone here have any information on that?”
Of course we do, because this is the Cosmetic Non-Functional Eye Transplant Forum, duh.
I’ve gone back and forth on this in the past, but this line pretty much cinches it for me: Mr. Al has GOT to be a joke. Maybe it’s *THASF* getting material for his novel.
Believe me I’ve looked into glass eyes. They’re unreliable and I find the idea kind of gross. Even if it is “pointless” from the perspective of most people, those people can’t understand my unique pain and my unique situation. If it’s possible I want to do it.
Jesus Christ, I’ve asked other places online (JustAnswers, Yahoo Answers). I know odds are slim, but I’d be stupid not to ask anywhere I can. Fuck off.
Who’s THASF? xD I feel like I’m just getting into superhero comics or something after watching the TV show. XD “Okay I know who MRAL is but wtf is THASF?” “oh, he’s just the alien prince who arrived on Earth during “Crisis of Infinite Jerks” issue #3 and tried to take over Kirby Warp’s secret base, but Elizabeth defeated him at the expense of her own life, but she came back a year later in Tales of Misandry #523 thanks to Bee discoverng Eoghan’s resurrection cave, and that’s why she’s formerlyknownas…
… also she grew wings.”
“oh… ok… *slowly puts comic book back on shelf*”
xD
You’re an asshole,
yeah, that’s pretty much the BEST way to get people to help you out.