Ladies and Gentlemen, I present to you the most odious misogynist bullshit I have seen thus far on the topic of the Slutwalks: a post on The Third Edge of the Sword, a blog that seems to go out of its way to be offensive and “edgy,” that takes victim blaming to a whole new level. Here’s the basic, er, argument of the post, which the author has put in giant pink letters so we won’t miss it:
Every woman marching in the Edmonton Slut Walk is publicly declaring herself a slut. This means every woman there desires sex with any and all partners. Any sexual activity you initiate with them comes with implied consent. They cannot say no, and if they do understand all their ‘no’s mean yes. They are all asking for it. They want it bad. Now. From you. Go get ’em!
Some other highlights:
[I]f you … dress slutty, men are going to stare at you. We’re going to catcall. We are going to tell you all sorts of sexual things we want to do to your body. And if you dress slutty and wave your ass in our face, we will do them. The organizers of this event are not oblivious to this point: what they want is a fake sexual revolution. They want to be able to impersonate sluts without actually being sluts, and that’s unacceptable. If you don’t want to be treated as a piece of meat, don’t marinate and grill yourself and sit perched on a piece of garlic toast. You dress slutty, you show off the goods, you try to get a reaction, you will get one. Hint: it’s not always going to be the one you want. …
The “reaction” he has in mind is rape. By calling rape a “reaction” instead of what it is — a criminal assault on someone, an act of sexual violence, a violation — he of course is attempting to switch the blame to the victim. He spells out his “logic” in more detail:
[W]hen you impersonate a slut we don’t fine you, and we don’t throw you in jail. There’s really only one punishment for dressing like a streetwalker when you aren’t one: you do have to endure the occasional rape. You should really suffer it in silence. Accept the character flaw within you that caused this, and move on. Police and court resources are already busy enough with real criminals: like actual rapists who do nasty things to their niece or the homeless native chick passed out under the bridge, or a conservatively dressed urban professional walking to her car, or a girl out jogging in a track suit. To equate the act of actually violating and raping one of these people with having sex with a girl who’s every square millimetre of public persona screams anybody who wants to can screw me right now is ridiculous.
Once again, this brand of misogyny leads to some conclusions that are pretty misandrist – namely, the notion that men are at heart rapists who can’t control their violent urges:
If you go out on the street in an outfit that would make Britney Spears feel uncomfortable, you do so knowing that your ultimate aim is to make men want you. Well, they want you now. Congrats. Oh, wait, you mean you didn’t understand what that implied? That in the great Bell curve of sexual congress you’ve just pushed everybody on the right-hand side of the -2 std devs line past that imaginary barrier that says “there is no power in the universe powerful enough to stop me from sliding my finger inside your panties”? I call bullshit. You do know. But you want to be a virginal slut, to dress in ways that makes men helpless to their urges but still leaves you fully in restrictive control.
The blogger concludes by arguing that the Slutwalkers are all “lying bitches” because they dress like they wasn’t to be raped, but do not actually want to be raped. Then he makes this lovely suggestion:
If your wife is one of them, I’m very very sorry. Maybe a good rape might make her a little more manageable around the house.
Now this post is an atmittedly extreme example of a misogynistic response to the Slutwalks. But the basic “logic” of this blogger’s would-be argument is essentially identical to that of many MRA and other “manosphere” pieces I’ve seen on the subject, the main difference between them being that this guy embraces the logical conclusion of his argument — that Slutwalkers deserve to be raped — while the MRAs who make essentially the same argument (and fling the same sorts of insults at the Slutwalkers) make a show of saying that they don’t really think the Slutwalkers “deserve” it. And maybe they’ve convinced themselves that this caveat means something . But in that case the extreme reaction that manosphere misogynists have had to the Slutwalks – the insults thrown at the Slutwalkers, the “jokey” references to rape, the prurient sneering – makes little sense. If you argue that women are “asking for it” when they dress like “sluts,” you’re essentially saying they deserve it. You’re making the same argument this guy is making, but pretending you aren’t.
NOTE: The graphic above is taken from the official web site for the Edmonton SlutWalk 2011, which took place a week ago. Here are some pictures of the march.
Then why are you nwosub making excuses for them?
Or is it you believe that women only get raped in dark alleys while they are wearing the clothing that you seem to enjoy?
Grammar or Garfunkel and Oates? Grammar or Garfunkel and Oates? Grammar or Garfunkel and Oates?
Oh, what the hell?
Rapists are sick motherfuckers, thats the difference. There not like you and me, their fucked in the head.
So you can’t predict how they think, who they target, or what they find “attractive” or even their motivations. You’ve been telling us how “men” think the whole time, relating to the way women appear to them, and now you admit that rapists aren’t like you guys at all… so it’s irrelevant 🙂
This is a good quote to keep around I think :]
@Kirbywarp: dangerous indeed and this apologizing is… odd. Almost makes me think a tsunami of bullshit’s coming this way.
As to Ion’s questions earlier—dude, what the fuck does it matter? I am none of those things, and rape culture makes me stabby. What, you can only have an opinion or a strong reaction if you’re none of the above? Get a grip.
Kirbywarp, even the sites you gave did have a percentage, (be it small) that did back up my claim. So if the advice I give stops 5 or 6 % I helped in my own misogynist way. If I knew how to emote a smiley face for Ami I would.
@Kave
“Or is it you believe that women only get raped in dark alleys while they are wearing the clothing that you seem to enjoy?”
That’s exactly it : (and he’s defined the entire word away, he went from rape to VERY SPECIFIC SITUATIONS by VERY SPECIFIC PPL)
However many DID happen to drunk women staggering around at 2 in the morning, it was far fewer than happened to women in their own homes, or the homes of people they thought they could trust.
Sorry, but all the other kinds of rape really do count.
The crazy thing? I think you may even mean this. You encountered a real human being who was hurt by your vicious philosophy, and even as you cling to the philosophy itself, you tried to comfort the person. There may even be a real person beneath all the hate.
Here’s something to consider, though: women get drunk in bad neighborhoods all the time. They do so because the overwhelming majority of the time, nothing bad happens to them. The difference between the time Sarah was raped and the times she was not (if any – and if she had no other drinking binges in that area, then other women surely have) was simply this: the presence of a rapist. By saying there was something she coulda shoulda woulda done if only she’d had your advice takes the responsibility from the rapist and places it on her (even if you say you don’t blame her), and is almost certainly wrong to boot.
NWO:
You don’t get it, do you? You are still assuming that those 5 or 6% occured because of the clothing. The point of the study? The clothing doesn’t matter. Telling women how to dress won’t even help those 5 or 6%.
No sound spearboy, and I can’t read lips.
Or the Naked Cowgirl. Walked past her in Times Square the other day, she was in naught but bra and panties, but somehow the tourists were resisting their urge to attack her.
I’m not posting for your benefit. I’m under no illusion that you’d in any way like Garfunkel and Oates. It merely amuses me to do so.
Slavey was pretty vicious last night. Now he seems much more conciliatory. I wonder what changed. More church, less alcohol? Or vice versa?
So he’s said his piece. It’s take it or leave it. (somehow he thinks we’ve never heard this before either, or that his NEW advice, since it’s shifted, and now we’re at “avoid high crime areas or you may be the victim of crime” is kinda self fulfilling and also applies generally, but WHATEVER) And he can think if we don’t get raped that he’s responsible for it, or w/e, no skin off my back. xD
But he says that this is honest, that he’s said his piece, that that’s his advice, and take it or leave it.
So this is the last we should hear from him on this topic right? o_O;; We know now what he means, and where he stands.
There’s no point in arguing since it was just advice, and he stands by it, and take it or leave it. And he’s done.
Right? xD
I also lurve how eventually everybody comes to my way of speaking >:D XD FTW! xD
I agree with you Seraph, it was the presence of a rapist that was the problem. So should I tell women to dress in as little as possible, get tanked in seedy areas and always travel alone late at night? I find that to be very bad advice. I’ll stick with my poorly thought out opposite advice.
I’m tired, good night , be safe.
NWO:
Alright, I think that about does it. You’ve proven you have no intention of actually being helpful. (See my post at 9:22 pm if you missed it) You have proven that you are simply tone trolling, and that all that talk about being helpful is a lie. Some people may have more patience than me (and I’m usually a patient person) but I have lost any little bit of respect for you that you’ve gained with your promise of civility.
And the (newly mutated) concern troll is gone. XD
There not like you and me, their fucked in the head.
Cripes, two tries out of three possibilities, and he still whiffs!
No sound spearboy, and I can’t read lips.
isn’t it cute, spearhafoc? he thinks you are posting the videos FOR HIM.
@Spearhafoc:
Love the songs you’ve been posting! Wish I knew about these gals earlier.
@Everyone
Soooo…. Now that NWO’s gone… what next?
For people who were rubbed a little raw with all that, here’s a song I usually use to cool off. Hope it helps.