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Blogger: SlutWalkers deserve to be raped

From the website of the Edmonton SlutWalk 2011

Ladies and Gentlemen, I present to you the most odious misogynist bullshit I have seen thus far on the topic of the Slutwalks: a post on The Third Edge of the Sword, a blog that seems to go out of its way to be offensive and “edgy,” that takes victim blaming to a whole new level. Here’s the basic, er, argument of the post, which the author has put in giant pink letters so we won’t miss it:

Every woman marching in the Edmonton Slut Walk is publicly declaring herself a slut. This means every woman there desires sex with any and all partners. Any sexual activity you initiate with them comes with implied consent. They cannot say no, and if they do understand all their ‘no’s mean yes. They are all asking for it. They want it bad. Now. From you. Go get ’em!

Some other highlights:

[I]f you … dress slutty, men are going to stare at you. We’re going to catcall. We are going to tell you all sorts of sexual things we want to do to your body. And if you dress slutty and wave your ass in our face, we will do them. The organizers of this event are not oblivious to this point: what they want is a fake sexual revolution. They want to be able to impersonate sluts without actually being sluts, and that’s unacceptable. If you don’t want to be treated as a piece of meat, don’t marinate and grill yourself and sit perched on a piece of garlic toast. You dress slutty, you show off the goods, you try to get a reaction, you will get one. Hint: it’s not always going to be the one you want. …

The “reaction” he has in mind is rape. By calling rape a “reaction” instead of what it is — a criminal assault on someone, an act of sexual violence, a violation — he of course is attempting to switch the blame to the victim. He spells out his “logic” in more detail:

[W]hen you impersonate a slut we don’t fine you, and we don’t throw you in jail. There’s really only one punishment for dressing like a streetwalker when you aren’t one: you do have to endure the occasional rape. You should really suffer it in silence. Accept the character flaw within you that caused this, and move on. Police and court resources are already busy enough with real criminals: like actual rapists who do nasty things to their niece or the homeless native chick passed out under the bridge, or a conservatively dressed urban professional walking to her car, or a girl out jogging in a track suit. To equate the act of actually violating and raping one of these people with having sex with a girl who’s every square millimetre of public persona screams anybody who wants to can screw me right now is ridiculous.

Once again, this brand of misogyny leads to some conclusions that are pretty misandrist – namely, the notion that men are at heart rapists who can’t control their violent urges:

If you go out on the street in an outfit that would make Britney Spears feel uncomfortable, you do so knowing that your ultimate aim is to make men want you. Well, they want you now. Congrats. Oh, wait, you mean you didn’t understand what that implied? That in the great Bell curve of sexual congress you’ve just pushed everybody on the right-hand side of the -2 std devs line past that imaginary barrier that says “there is no power in the universe powerful enough to stop me from sliding my finger inside your panties”? I call bullshit. You do know. But you want to be a virginal slut, to dress in ways that makes men helpless to their urges but still leaves you fully in restrictive control.

The blogger concludes by arguing that the Slutwalkers are all “lying bitches” because they dress like they wasn’t to be raped, but do not actually want to be raped. Then he makes this lovely suggestion:

If your wife is one of them, I’m very very sorry. Maybe a good rape might make her a little more manageable around the house.

Now this post is an atmittedly extreme example of a misogynistic response to the Slutwalks. But the basic “logic” of this blogger’s would-be argument is essentially identical to that of many MRA and other “manosphere” pieces I’ve seen on the subject, the main difference between them being that this guy embraces the logical conclusion of his argument — that Slutwalkers deserve to be raped — while the MRAs who make essentially the same argument (and fling the same sorts of insults at the Slutwalkers) make a show of saying that they don’t really think the Slutwalkers “deserve” it. And maybe they’ve convinced themselves that this caveat means something . But in that case the extreme reaction that manosphere misogynists have had to the Slutwalks – the insults thrown at the Slutwalkers, the “jokey” references to rape, the prurient sneering – makes little sense. If you argue that women are “asking for it” when they dress like “sluts,” you’re essentially saying they deserve it. You’re making the same argument this guy is making, but pretending you aren’t.

NOTE: The graphic above is taken from the official web site for the Edmonton SlutWalk 2011, which took place a week ago. Here are some pictures of the march.

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Sarah
Sarah
13 years ago

NWO, I did decide to get drunk in a bad neighborhood, and something bad did happen to me. Thank you very much! Was it my fault? I DON’T GODDAMNED KNOW.

Yes. I really, really, really hate you.

Sarah
Sarah
13 years ago

In all seriousness guys, I need to take a break from these rapetastic comments. You all rock, but NWO. See you later.

Nobinayamu
Nobinayamu
13 years ago

Zombie, good call on the moving goal post. That one went so quickly you might have missed it if you blinked. And, yes Ami, NWO’s assertions that dressing in a provocative manner -however that’s defined- will definitively cause women to be raped should be easy to prove.

NWO, you should be able to provide studies/statistics that prove, incontrivertibly that a women who are provocatively dressed are regularly the victims of violent rape. And this should be easy since we have any number of places where scantily clad women are surrounded by men.

So, show the evidence. Please provide a link to an article in a newspaper where law enforcement had to shut down a strip club because dancers were constantly being violently raped by the patrons on the premises.

Captain Bathrobe
13 years ago

God, I love Garfunkle and Oats. Funny, cute, smart women–can’t beat that.

Ami Angelwings
13 years ago

*gives Sarah huge big hugs* : I’m so sorry… and no it was not your fault… but I know how hard it is not to think of all the “what ifs” 🙁 (we can talk on IM if you need)

NWO, maybe now is the time to back off and think about what ppl have said, and how you “know” what you know. :] (and I dare you to pile on, cuz then what everybody else thinks of you will be right, and even I dun think that of you >_> )

Captain Bathrobe
13 years ago

“Oates” goddamit! Fucking auto-correct.

NWOslave
NWOslave
13 years ago

Pam thats 1 case out of how many that DID happen to drunk women staggering around at 2 in the morning.

No Sarah it wasn’t your fault. My advice is to help stop that from ever happening again. I am truely sorry for whatever happened to you.

theLaplaceDemon
theLaplaceDemon
13 years ago

NWO – again, find some hard evidence that revealing clothing = greater chance of rape, then we’ll talk.

You say it’s solid, common-sense advice. But if you don’t have data to support your common-sense reasoning, it’s just a hypothesis.

I actually think someone on the men’s rights subreddit David links in his next post said it best. Rapists will choose people who look like easy targets. I would be willing to bet money that this has much more to do with body language then dress (if you want citations I’ll find them for you.)

kirbywarp
kirbywarp
13 years ago

@Nobinayamu:

After he does that, he has to explain the contradiction between that and the study I cited… But one step at a time, I suppose.

@Sarah

*hugs* Yeah, I really don’t know what all this talk about rape can be like for actual survivers… We’ll keep NWO busy while you’re gone.

@NWO:

“I don’t get you people, violent rapists are sick fucking people who will prey on drunk women staggering out of a bar at 2 in the morning. So if I say don’t do that, I don’t hate you.”

What, you think we’re ganging up on you because we think you hate us? You think we’re being defensive? Seriously? We’re pointing out something you’ve got wrong, and you are refusing to admit it or show evidence that you are right. Some of us do hate you, but I don’t think anyone cares if you hate them. Stick to facts, without all the appeals to emotion, and maybe this will go somewhere….

Spearhafoc
13 years ago

Pam thats 1 case out of how many that DID happen to drunk women staggering around at 2 in the morning.

hellkell
hellkell
13 years ago

Damn, I thought y’all managed to short-circuit the Slave earlier. No such luck.

Bee
Bee
13 years ago

Slaver: “Ymata, certainly not violent rapes which is what I’m talking about.”

RAPE IS AN ACT OF VIOLENCE, fuckneck. My FRIENDS raped me. It was VIOLENT.

Sarah: “Was it my fault?”

I don’t think it was, Sarah. I think it was entirely the fault of the person who committed the crime. I’m sorry that you went through that.

Kave
Kave
13 years ago

Here’s what I cannot understand about NWOsub’s line of reasoning.

I’m a heterosexual man, happily married. Before I was married I’d been an adolescent boy, a young adult male etc.

Why would a heterosexual man not want women to dress in a attractive and even sexy manner? I have very fond memories of trips to the beach as a boy but I can certainly say that never once have I ever looked at an attractive women in a bikini and thought she was asking for any kind of sex. As a boy I just thought “dam those are nice titties” and (pretty much) left it at that.

From what I can understand your thought patterns are if a woman creates lust from a man she should learn not to do that. What possible reason who nwosub have for not wanting to feel lust for a beautiful woman?

Ami Angelwings
13 years ago

@NWO I’m glad you understand it’s not her fault. If you rly want to help her, if you truly do, you’ll listen here to survivors. :] Your advice is basically never leave your house to avoid reckless drivers. (and this isn’t about arguing the analogy, this is a serious topic and you’re talking to actual survivors, not theoretical ones, I’m trying to help you get it, as are other ppl here, since atm you seem sincere:] ) You’re focusing your effort and time (and anger) on the wrong people.

kirbywarp
kirbywarp
13 years ago

@hellkill

He seems to have developed an immunity to fact.. We are dealing with a dangerous foe indeed.

NWOslave
NWOslave
13 years ago

You can take my advice or leave it. Maybe I’m wrong, maybe I’m not, but if I’m giving advice, it’s out of concern for your safety. I’m sorry for anything bad that happened to any of you and you can hate me all you want, but I am on your side.

Spearhafoc
13 years ago

but I am on your side.

If you were, you’d stop making excuses for their rapists.

Ami Angelwings
13 years ago

I think the problem is that 2 things suddenly got conflated together in his giant APPEAL TO EMOTION -_-;; the thing is, being in areas with high crime rates at night alone intoxicated might make you more vulnerable or higher at risk of CRIME IN GENERAL…. so if the advice is “be careful in those situations” (and the funny part is women ARE, the idea that we have NO IDEA of how at risk we are is hilarious.,.. it’s hammered into our brains since children by everybody, and like guys like NWO are hardly a minority of voices or quiet ones in our society… there’s so many rape prevention, be careful, etc tips out there>_> ) that’s not the same as “if you don’t dress XYZ” or “if you don’t seem attractive to…” or etc then you can avoid rape…. and that needs to be proven as an affirmative statement. (and also how did we go from talking about rape, and clothing, to suddenly very specific cases and not going out at night to crime ridden areas of the city? goalpost moving nebody?)

Ami the traffic cat away! 😀

Hippodameia
Hippodameia
13 years ago

“If you were, you’d stop making excuses for their rapists. ”

Game and match to Spearhafoc.

Nobinayamu
Nobinayamu
13 years ago

“Maybe I’m wrong…”

Now you want to equivocate.

NWO, prove that scantily clad women, however you define that, are regularly and incontrovertibly the victims of violent sexual assault and rape. You’ve made this claim repeatedly. Back it up with evidence.

NWOslave
NWOslave
13 years ago

Kave, I agree, I look at women in sexy clothes and think the same thing. Rapists are sick motherfuckers, thats the difference. There not like you and me, their fucked in the head.

kirbywarp
kirbywarp
13 years ago

@NWO:

“You can take my advice or leave it. Maybe I’m wrong, maybe I’m not, but if I’m giving advice, it’s out of concern for your safety. I’m sorry for anything bad that happened to any of you and you can hate me all you want, but I am on your side.”

I see two possibilities. You are actually are concerned about the subject you give advice on, or not. If the former, then you should also care whether the advice you give is good or not. We’ve been trying to prove to you that it isn’t, but you insist that it is. Shouldn’t this be concerning to you? Shouldn’t you at least check to see if the advice you are giving will actually help, if you care?

If the latter, then you have resorted to tone trolling, which is a dispicable act in this situation. You’ve been rattling one fallacy after another, desperately trying to avoid backing up your claim. So which is it, do you care or not? If you do, prove it.

NWOslave
NWOslave
13 years ago

By the way any video is worthless to me, no sound.

Ami Angelwings
13 years ago

Why does he suddenly act like we hate him? o_O;; I like the sudden change of “I’M JUST TRYING TO HELP YOU! THAT’S ALL!!! I LOVE YOU GUYS AND YOU DON’T LISTEN JUST CUZ OF YOUR HATE” >_>;;

At least he said he’s sorry (suddenly he cares about survivors, despite how many weeks has the victim blaming been going on?) but.. don’t look a gift troll in the mouth and all that. :]

So if we say “thanks but no thanks” or “nething you’ve said about safety that isn’t victim blaming, we alrdy know, so thanks” will he go away? He’s said his piece after all.

Thanks, but no thanks.

Pam
Pam
13 years ago

Pam thats 1 case out of how many that DID happen to drunk women staggering around at 2 in the morning.

AND that’s 1 case out of how many that DID happen to other NUNS, y’know ‘cuz they’re not all that well known for their provocative garb or predilection for consuming massive quantities of alcohol

Vatican confirms report of sexual abuse and rape of nuns by priests in 23 countries

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