MRAs regularly accuse feminists of promoting the idea that all women are “perfect princesses” who can do no wrong. Which is a rather silly accusation, as every feminist I’ve ever met is well aware that women, like men, are capable of vast evil. Jiang Qing, also known as Madame Mao, was one of the ringleaders behind China’s bloody Cultural Revolution. Madame Delphine Lalaurie was a 19th century New Orleans socialite who tortured her slaves and performed bizarre medical experiments on them. And then there were Ilse Koch, the “Witch of Buchenwald,” and her counterpart Irma Grese, the “Bitch of Belsen,” sadistic Nazis who tormented the prisoners under their charge and kept grisly “souveniers.” (For more on them and other truly evil women see here and here.)
But today I’m going to talk about some women who aren’t so much evil as retrograde and wrong: the 800 women who have reportedly joined the newly formed Obedient Wives Club in Malaysia, an offshoot of a fundamentalist Islamic organization called Global Ikhwan, previously known for its Polygamy Club.
If you set aside the whole fundamentalist Islam thing — MRAs by and large don’t seem terribly fond of Islam — these Obedient Wives would pretty much represent the ideal women for manosphere misogynists; much of what they profess sounds like it came straight from discussions on The Spearhead or one of the popular MGTOW forums.
According to the Obedient Wives, for example, “disobedient wives are the cause for upheaval in this world” — including social ills like domestic abuse. As one spokeswoman for the group sees it, “domestic abuse happens because wives don’t obey their husband.” Asked by the newspaper The Star if this meant that a wife was at fault if she was abused, the spokeswoman replied with a “yes,” because “most probably … she didn’t listen to her husband.”
But it’s the group’s pronouncements about sex that have caused the most controversy in Malaysia. Apparently Obedient Wives need to be sexual dynamos as well as submissive helpmeets, eager and willing to “obey, serve and entertain” their husbands “better than a first-class prostitute” can. As one of the group’s founders put it at the event heralding the formation of the Obedient Wives,
Sex is a taboo in Asian society. We have ignored it in our marriages but it’s all down to sex. A good wife is a good sex worker to her husband. What is wrong with being a whore … to your husband?
Several days later, another Obedient Wives Club spokeswoman attempted to “clarify” these remarks in an interview with the Malay Mail:
I believe we have been misunderstood and misinterpreted. When we said that husbands should treat their wives like first-class prostitutes, we were not putting wives on the same level with prostitutes. We are talking about first-class elite types, not street hooker types.
So that’s … good, I guess? Although we should point out that actual prostitutes in Malaysia – even those working at “high end” clubs — are treated like shit.
Before all the “American-Women-Suck” dudes reading this convert to Islam and buy one-way plane tickets to Malaysia, I would like to note that there are feminists in Malaysia who think these women (and the men Involved in starting the group) are full of it. Islamic feminists, even.
Simply returned for a few minutes to read any love notes from my fans inspired by my posting a few days ago regarding a Manboobz. com article on an “Obedient wives club”. Good to see such a healthy response from fans of both sexes. I observed that this was a good idea that we in the USSA could well learn from, even at this late date–and it certainly does more good learning from people than bombing them, doesn’t it?
When will American women (?) take their good example to heart and offer their obedience to THEIR husbands? This can apply to Protestants, Catholics and Jews too, you know! Equality isn’t all that it is cracked up to be.
At any rate, with enemies like manboobz.com, I don’t really think that we need more friends now. This website, along with others like it, shows the world’s crying need for Men’s Rights, Men’s issue activism, and patriarchy better than we (at the Spearhead) ever could by ourselves. Keep up the good work and thanx.
No exclamation points! oops. Happy now, girls?
PEACE AND FREEDOM–
David K. Meller
Awesome!!!
I think Mr. Meller means: PEACE AND FREEDOM, unless your a woman because you need to be an obedient wife and proper house servant/fucktoy/birthing machine
There, fixed.
@ Xtra June 13, 2011 at 12:46pm
Awesome!
I think Mr. Meller means: PEACE AND FREEDOM, unless you’re a woman because you need to be an obedient wife and proper house servant/ fucktoy/birthing machine.
There, fixed.
No need to thank me, it’s on the house! DKM
At least there’s no denial of the true MRA goal there. And proof why feminism is needed. Thanks.
That’s something about these trolls I’ve noticed o_o Even when it makes them look even more ridic, they NEED to have the last word xD
@ Ami Angelwings at June 13,2011 at 1:29pm
See post above re:”NEEDING” the “last word”. Also see above post about “looking more idiotic”…
Thanx, girls! Couldn’t do it without you!
PEACE AND FREEDOM!!
David K. Meller
PS–No denial, no apology, and no lies regarding MRA goals! And that is why feminism can be beaten, feminism will be beaten, and feminism must be beaten! DKM
Because an imaginary foe is better then the real life non-foe.
Maybe we should start holding SCA like tournaments for MRAs since they spend so much time in fantasy land.
Why do I get the feeling I’m reading a Dr. Bronner’s soap label?
Ami: I remember that post of Corens. I even wrote a response: Michael Coren is a clueless, dickless, worthless fuck
DKM: Gee… let’s make it possible for qualified women to be refused jobs… then we can see how good they are in “fair” competition.
What, one wonders, makes it, on your planet, the case that White Males are somehow good at everything, and non-White, non-Males aren’t…
Right… I knew I’d see that principle defined… bigotry, specifically the types known as sexism and racism.
So you admit to being a sexist racist.
Good on you for being willing to admit it in public. Most racists and sexists try to hide it. Fly the flag dude; be the envy of all the other bigots who are too scared of the evil feminists and non-whites to speak “truth to power”.
“Elizabeth I, for example, was reluctantly talked into killing Lady Jane Grey because she was used by her relatives to try and claim the throne. Same deal with Mary, Queen of Scots.”
I feel bad posting this because it has nothing to do with the main topic and no one has mentioned the above for an entire page, but I can’t stop myself because I’m compulsively pedantic that way.
Elizabeth I wasn’t persuaded to kill Lady Jane Grey. Mary I had LJG put to death more or less at the insistence of the Spanish who would not have permitted her marital alliance with Philip of Spain to go ahead if such a threat had been permitted to remain. It was just after the Wyatt rebellion in Jane’s name and Mary felt that Jane’s continued existence threatened the peace of the realm and (of course) her own position.
It’s beside the point and Elizabeth of course *did* execute Mary, Queen of Scots.
(Whistles nonchalantly and goes back to lurking)
Don’t hate on them so much they’ve clearly internalised misogynistic attitudes and practices. Don’t get me wrong what they are doing is foolish but its clear that is what they’ve been taught.
The sad thing is that being the perfect wife/whore won’t stop their husband from abusing, cheating or leaving because he has all the power he can do anything on a whim and they’ve resigned themselves to that. They are reassuring themselves that won’t happen to them but can and quite possibly will, it’s actually tragic if you think about it