As SallyStrange has pointed out in the comments here, quite a few MRAs seem to have a bad case of “womb envy” – or, more specifically, “abortion envy.” That is, they envy the ability of women to abort fetuses that they – the guys, as sperm providers — have had a part in creating. And since they don’t get final say in whether or not the woman in the equation gets an abortion, many of these guys claim they should have the right to a “paper abortion” – that is, to wash their hands financially of the baby once it is born.
But for every MRA demanding their own right to an abortion, there’s another MRA who thinks abortion is an unmitigated evil, which in essence means that they think pregnant women should be forced to give birth to babies they don’t want. The guy behind The Life Zone evidently thinks this way. And so does one New Mexican pro-lifer named Greg Fultz, who has launched a bizarre campaign designed to shame the woman who aborted what he thinks of as “his” baby – the highlight of which is a giant billboard depicting him holding what looks like the blackened carcass of a baby under the headline “This Would Have Been a Picture Of My 2-Month Old Baby If The Mother Had Decided To NOT KILL Our Child!”
I’ve been meaning to write about the Fultz thing for some time, but haven’t, because frankly the whole thing makes me depressed. Over the past day or so three separate Man Boobz readers have brought the subject up, so I figure it’s time to deal with the subject. My solution? I’m going to punt, and rather than post about it specifically I’m just going to point you to an excellent, and nicely sarcastic, post on the subject from Jill on Feministe.
Since Jill wrote that post, Fultz has been ordered by a judge to take the billboard down or face jail; he says he won’t. Details here.
NOTE: I originally ended this post with a 1200 word dissertation spelling out my take on abortion. But reading it back over again I realized that many of the points I made in it had already been made, in many cases more deftly, by various commenters in yesterday’s 800-plus comment thread (which actually stayed on the topic for the first several hundred comments, until more or less everything that needed to be said on the subject had been said). The tl;dr summary: her body, her choice. “Paper abortions” only work if the government is willing to step in to make up for the loss of child support, and that isn’t going to happen in the US any time soon. (And I don’t see many MRAs calling for increased support for single moms.)
So instead of abortion, let’s talk about Fultz. What a dick.
Also, he’s oppressed because he only makes… more than me.
Spearhafoc, those vintage pics are outstanding! I love vintage. Was that coat with giant trailing sleeves Dior?
Okay, who else is squicked at the thought that Slavey gets off on our insults?
-_-
*raises hand* And since he hasn’t yet shown he doesn’t, then he obviously does.
I miss the Slaver’s old days, when he would end each comment with some passive-aggressive “Oh sorry for being a bad slave” obsequiousness.
If he ever finds a good Dom, he’ll learn to follow that up with “Mistress”.
Johnny – I much prefer the idea that he’s just an inflammatory asshole because people insulting him gets him off then the idea that he actually earnestly believes everything he says.
Okay, who else is squicked at the thought that Slavey gets off on our insults?
well, given my last comment, apparently not ME.
But then, Zombie you know.
idea that he actually earnestly believes everything he says.
yeah, I doubt he believes it too. The FUNNY part, is that he apparently thinks his middle-school level logic traps are SO CONFOUNDING AND IMPOSSIBLE TO REFUTE.
Did your life begin at the instant of conception?
Shouldn’t he answer that and have to prove his answer FIRST before nebody else answers? o_O;;
It’s kinda like the whole “prove there’s no god” thing… he’s the one positing a fact, and he basically is saying nebody who doesn’t answer confirming the fact is not answering… so it should be on him to prove it right? o_O;;
I like the whole existence thing.. if I my existence wasn’t a zygote, then I dun exist now? My existence wasn’t presumably my parents or their sperm and eggs either right? >_> Or did I exist before that? o_o;;
As I said there’s tons of ppl out there who would not be here now if their mother had not gotten an abortion earlier in her life… by NWO’s logic he is endorsing their “murder” xD (and if he wants to dispute this, I think this could get VERY amusing as he starts splitting hairs about how his definition of causal existence is this but not that and not that and DAMMIT YOU PPL ALL SUCK AND I HATE YOU ALL AND I AM GOING TO SCREAM INSULTS WHY AM I ALWAYS THE ONE ANSWERING EVERYTHING DAMMIT AMI YOU AND YOUR XDS I DREAM OF THEM NWOO! I MEAN NOWWWW SEE WHAT YOU’VE DONE!! xDDDD <– that smiley is me and not hypothetical him being dosed with Ami gas xD )
I spayed my cat a while back… I murdered a million generations of future cats ):
Aw, I’d throw him a bone. Slavey, you’ve been a bad, bad, naughty boy. That’s right, kneel in front of me, you little piece of filth. I don’t care if you’re just in front of the computer, you’re in front of me and you will kneel.
Now hit yourself. In the face. Harder than that. Oh, I know you can do harder than that. You can take it. You wimp. That won’t even leave a mark.
Now the balls.
Now get your checkbook. A worm like you doesn’t deserve to have money. Give it up to Mistress and maybe I’ll decide to let you hit yourself again, if you’re lucky. If you earn it.
I want you to write the biggest check you can–more than you can afford, because this should hurt you, shouldn’t it? You should be eating ramen to be a good slave, to be in my servitude. Make it out to:
Planned Parenthood Federation of America, Inc
Attn: Donations
434 West 33rd Street
New York, NY 10001
That’s a good boy.
Aww Holly, you’re such a kind and generous person… I mean mistress…
Generally, I think it’s impossible to make a test for self-awareness because, from the outside, it’s impossible to tell the difference between being self-aware and appearing self-aware. Of course, not everyone thinks there’s a difference.
The one at the top of the page? I think that’s a shawl the same fabric as the dress, not sleeves.
The caption on the site just says,
“Dovima – Harper’s Bazaar 1950’s
Photo by Richard Avedon”
No designer listed, I’m afraid.
Ugh. I thought we’d already covered NWO’s ridiculous questions 🙁
Color me squicked at Slavey getting off on the mockery.
Damn, Holly… I mean mistress… I almost kneeled. Well done.
Color me squicked at Slavey getting off on the mockery.
well, he HAS been in his bunk for some time now…..
Notice how completely NWOSlave eliminates women from the picture. Life begins at conception, and has nothing to do with nine months of hard, potentially dangerous work by a woman. Heck, even the fetus is named “Johnny”. Notice how it’s always the the precious Son and Heir being killed. Would it matter less if it it was Jenny instead of Johnny?
Yeah, and I got a bunch of André Courrèges’ 60’s stuff that looks like it comes from the future. Come on Slavey, get crackin’!
I am quite willing and able to mock NWOslave in a way that rocks his world verbally in a public forum but I think Holly already did that.
Great public service Holly!
So the abortion topic really hits home right now, seeing as I’m nearly 9 weeks into an unplanned pregnancy. We have 3 kids, hubs only ever wanted 1 or maybe 2 & after nearly dying last year, really, really doesn’t want another baby. I offered to have an abortion. I even meant it at the the time, but I’ve had a couple weeks to think and despite being pro-choice, for me, right now, I can’t do it. Especially since I’ve had at least 10 losses.
I desperately wanted a 4th baby, a last chance at a girl and if I went through with it, I’d always wonder. Hubs, being a great person, has left the decision entirely up to me because he knows that if he tried to pressure me into one, I’d probably end up resenting him. If it does end up being a girl, I have a feeling he’s going to be relieved. And I know he’ll love this baby and have some awesome times with him/her.
So, I guess I’m one of those evil women who is forcing a man to be a parent when he really doesn’t want to.
Enter: NWOslave sometime in the next day pretending to yawn after his backbreaking day at the office/coal mine:
“Whatever he would say”
Holly, you rock!
Thank you for all the lovely photos, Spearhafoc! I really like the wedding veil dress.
Skyal
I might be the first the read your post, I hope the best for you and your family.
Why is he even on the Internet at all? Shouldn’t he be off the grid to avoid detection from the dreaded Rothchilds (not to be confused with the Rothschild’s)?
Skyal, sounds like you are taking full advantage of the ‘choice’ part of pro-choice.
I might recommend talking it over a bit more with the hubbs. Just get the feeling s all completely out in the open.
And best of luck what ever your family decides.