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The persistence of prejudice

The burning of the Jews in the Black Death pograms

Among those MRAs who are actually willing to acknowledge that women actually suffered oppression in the past, you sometimes find this argument: “Sure, things were bad for women back then – in the 1950s, or 1890, or whenever — but these days women don’t suffer from sexism. It’s men who are the real victims.”

This argument not only flies in the face of, you know, reality; it also reflects a naïve and simplistic understanding of how prejudice works, and why it persists. Misogyny, like other prejudices, is deeply rooted; it’s been around for literally thousands of years, and permeates culture and cultural/social/political institutions. The idea that a couple of decades of feminism have been enough to eradicate centuries-old attitudes and beliefs is, if you know anything at all about history or sociology or psychology, simply absurd.

How persistent is prejudice? A recent article in Slate looks at a historical study of anti-Semitism in Germany. As Ray Fisman notes in the Slate article, the study found that:

Communities that murdered their Jewish populations during the 14th-century Black Death pogroms were more likely to demonstrate a violent hatred of Jews nearly 600 years later. A culture of intolerance can be very persistent indeed.

Let’s just let that sink in for a second: Six. Hundred. Years. The noxious ideas of anti-Semites in the 14th century deeply affected what their great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-grandchildren believed (and did) when the Nazis rolled into town six centuries later. (I’m assuming an average 4 generations per century here; if that’s an incorrect assumption you may need to add or subtract a handful of “greats.”)

Here are more details, from the study’s abstract:

This paper uses data on anti-Semitism in Germany and finds continuity at the local level over more than half a millennium. When the Black Death hit Europe in 1348-50, killing between one third and one half of the population, its cause was unknown. Many contemporaries blamed the Jews. Cities all over Germany witnessed mass killings of their Jewish population. At the same time, numerous Jewish communities were spared. We use plague pogroms as an indicator for medieval anti-Semitism. Pogroms during the Black Death are a strong and robust predictor of violence against Jews in the 1920s, and of votes for the Nazi Party. In addition, cities that saw medieval anti-Semitic violence also had higher deportation rates for Jews after 1933, were more likely to see synagogues damaged or destroyed in the ‘Night of Broken Glass’ in 1938, and their inhabitants wrote more anti-Jewish letters to the editor of the Nazi newspaper Der Stürmer.

As Fisman notes,

Changing any aspect of culture—the norms, attitudes, and “unwritten rules” of a group—isn’t easy. Beliefs are passed down from parent to child—positions on everything from childbearing to religious beliefs to risk-taking are transmitted across generations.

You can read more about the details of the study on Slate; the actual study is available here.

EDITED TO ADD: And, on a lighter note, here’s what happens when a “white-men-are-the-real-victims” dude (who clearly has been reading about pick-up artistry) goes a-courtin’ on OkCupid.

EDITED AGAIN: Added more details from the study’s abstract.

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Mandolin
Mandolin
9 years ago

A couple of off-topic poems because my brain kept chewing on the “MRA” + “poetry” prompt.

A limerick:

If you’re a misogynist rube,
you’d better invest in some lube,
the better to pass
your head from your ass
before you appear on manboobz.

And a triolet:

Those hateful, horrid pretty girls,
they spit and spit and spit on me.
They waste their charms on alpha churls,
those hateful, horrid pretty girls.

Before such swine, they cast their pearls
while I’m denied their sweet pussy.
Those hateful, horrid pretty girls,
they spit and spit and spit on me.

Johnny Pez
9 years ago

they spit and spit and spit on me.

And not in a sexy way, either.

Arielle
Arielle
9 years ago

David, don’t be silly! You and I both know that white heterosexual men are oppressed! They had their position of “default person” taken away, which is totally discrimination! And it’s all because of women, feminists, non-whites and non-heterosexual people! Thank goodness we have MRAs around to try to keep the ol’ status quo in check.

Ugh. I nearly vomited writing that, even though it was sarcasm. I hate MRA “logic.”

Oneness of Ju Ju
Oneness of Ju Ju
9 years ago

Its the OPs view thats simplistic actually, the people that understand that oppression and power wasn’t divided along the lines of gender have the more realistic view point.

As for anti- semiticism in Germany, all the Jews were oppressors and all the Germans were the oppressed, thats pretty simplistic too, don’t you think?

Captain Bathrobe
Captain Bathrobe
9 years ago

Dave, women were never oppressed! They were protected and cherished by men who selflessly did all the work, hunted all the mammoths, and died in all the wars–all while building civilization. And how do they repay us? By taking away our kids, making us pay child support, and spitting on us at every opportunity! Also, they falsely accuse us of rape and domestic violence. And they have the nerve to call us misogynists!

There. Did I cover everything?

MuchMoreThanOrifices
MuchMoreThanOrifices
9 years ago

I love when MRAs claim that misogyny is a reaction to feminism. The most misogynistic countries are the ones with the least feminism: Saudi Arabia, Afghanistan, Pakistan, etc.

No, feminism did not cause you to hate us wimz. Your Mummy issues did.

Let’s have an Oprah Winfrey style pity party! One, two, three…….AAAAAAAHHHHHHH.

Oneness of Ju Ju
Oneness of Ju Ju
9 years ago

Muchmorethan

Did you know that the muslim world was quite hedonistic and experimented with gender equality and sexual liberation at its peak?

They blamed it for the social collapse, and responded with sexual oppression of everyone, and very strict rules to atone for their sins.

So, as the story from the Andalusian times goes, the misogny in Islam, did stem from a form of feminism.

PosterformerlyknownasElizabeth

I remember reading a book by Edward Rutherford about the expulsion of Jews from England (because how dare a money lender expect to be paid back when they do not accept Jesus as their lord and savior right? *gags*) and the scene was so bad it has stayed with me for years of a man helping a Jewish family with leaving England. At first everything is fine…then he leaves them on a beach that is covered in water at high tide so they all drown.

The Slate article points out how the constant influx of new ideas helps keep things from becoming violent. It also helps that the more stable a country is the less likely the people will hunker down and reject both outsiders and new ideas while clinging to traditions. That happened in Iraq after the fall of Saddam (or at least that is what I read happening.) Any change that happens too fast upsets people in general and it makes it less likely for things to actually remain changed.

But I do want to see what 1,300 tons of bombs do to a community’s level of hatred.

Spearhafoc
9 years ago

Nonsense, Jews weren’t really oppressed any more than women were. Those so-called “pogroms” were actually manufactured by the Rothchilds (not to be confused with the Rothschilds) to garner sympathy.

Oh God, I feel dirty. And not in a fun way.

Love the poetry, Mandolin.

MuchMoreThanOrifices
MuchMoreThanOrifices
9 years ago

Oneness of JuJu

Women in Arabic countries during and before Islam NEVER had the freedom of women in the West. Not even close. What you are talking about stems from powerful men having harems and the like. The men may have had a degree of sexual freedom. The women never did. And the degree to which the men did is debatable because it did not include the yeoman.

Bad example

Sarah
Sarah
9 years ago

“As for anti- semiticism in Germany, all the Jews were oppressors and all the Germans were the oppressed, thats pretty simplistic too, don’t you think?”

@Oneness of Juju

I honestly can not tell if you are being sarcastic.

One day we should have a poetry day in the comments. Nice stuff, Mandolin.

Also, I <3 okcupid. Without internet dating my love life would be so much harder. (heh. I said harder.)

Alex
9 years ago

@Elizabeth,

“But I do want to see what 1,300 tons of bombs do to a community’s level of hatred.”

Um…I’m not sure what that means, but I’m pretty sure I don’t like it. And the only “change” the US has really done for Iraq is given them a nice heavy dose or radiation and destroyed their infrastructure, not to mention rape everyone they could. Sorry if I misread what you wrote, but in terms of war, it really doesn’t sound good. Revenge (especially with bombs) is hardly the answer and sure as hell isn’t likely to improve even a relatively tolerant community tendency to hatred.

To the original post, about Germany, it’s actually interesting to note that the Nazis had to stifle the Left in order to more fully indoctrinate the German people who, while certainly possessed of the same anti-Semitism that racked Europe, were not initially willing to allow the Jews to be cruelly treated. For example, when Jews were forced to wear the yellow star, many Germans did public acts of kindness for them as a way of protest. That, however, soon vanished as the Nazi stranglehold as well as the war grew. Hitler led the people to believe the Jews were being “expelled”, a cruel “solution” in itself, but of course nowhere near the horrors that really happened. Basically, Nazi Germany could have been any country in Europe that was suffering similar hyperinflation after a humiliating defeat and in need of scapegoat. Hitler went to the right place at the right time. It’s really, really unfortunate that an event like that was what caused anti-Semitism to drop (and still not disappear altogether), and it would be very nice if we could see as large a drop in hatred towards women, people of colour, Asians, homosexuals, etc. before something like that happens again, to another group. Also important to note that women have already suffered a holocaust of sorts, given the inquisition, and homosexuals were also targeted in the Nazi holocaust. I don’t know that anybody learned from those tragedies. Maybe no one learned much from the Jewish tragedy either; it may just be that Jewish people are less easy to identify on sight or on behaviour than some other groups.

@Oneness of Juju,

I want to believe you have some kind of point there, but my idiot senses are tingling. I guess we had to have some replacement for MRAL *eye-roll*

Oneness of Ju Ju
Oneness of Ju Ju
9 years ago

Muchmorethan

No I’m not talking about “powerful men having harems and the like” lol. I’m talking about a period, the Andalusian times during which gender roles were relaxed, intoxication, poetry, song, orgies, dance and sexual liberation were prominent in the culture. A traditional song from the Andalusian times would often feature the female as the powerful figure and the male as a small voice in the back ground calling to her… you can still hear those songs.

Islamic culture suffered a collapse and they turned to the religious men, who prescribed very strict guidelines in text call Hadiph, praying and washing x5 times a day, women covering up, no alcohol, sexual repression …

Its not uncommon for civilizations to try some form of feminism and become hedonistic at their peak.

MuchMoreThanOrifices
MuchMoreThanOrifices
9 years ago

“A traditional song from the Andalusian times would often feature the female as the powerful figure and the male as a small voice in the back ground calling to her…”

Cultural songs do not constitute feminism. Women were not given equal status with men in Andalusia (Spain) at that time. Sexual liberation and feminism are not the same thing. Sexual liberation may be a part of feminism, but it can also exist where there is no feminism.

Orgies and sexual liberation also were a fixture in the late Roman Empire, but women were not given equal status with men here either.

Is your argument really that since there was some sexual liberation and gender bending in Spain during the Moorish period, that women enjoyed equal status with men and enjoyed the same freedoms as Western women? If it is, that is absurd. LOL!!!

No, misogyny has always existed, with or without feminism. Most misogynistic men have a massive inferiority complex and were probably raised by an overbearing, neurotic mother or they got their heart broken and cannot recover from the experience. And that is all there is to it.

MuchMoreThanOrifices
MuchMoreThanOrifices
9 years ago

As an addendum intended for everyone and not just Oneness:

I’ve seen men from the Spearhead and other MRA sites list references to certain passages from philosophers like Schopenhauer and Nietzche. After one does this, the others will ask where he got this quote, what book, what time period it is from, etc., etc. They then read the passages to justify their views and quote them ad infinitum.

The point being is that these men are OBSESSED with proving women inferior. IT CONSUMES THEIR ENTIRE LIFE! The spectre of WOMAN always casts her shadow upon them and their pathetic attempts to throw arrows at this paradigm is quite amusing to watch. If it was not so pathetically sad, it would actually be funny.

To these misogynists, women are enemies hiding in every corner, behind every bush. They warm themselves by the fire of misogyny with their fellow brainwashed cretins to feel better about themselves.

ithiliana
9 years ago

The Texas Exoneree project

http://www.texasobserver.org/cover-story/freedom-fighters

http://www.innocenceproject.org/Content/Texas_Exonerees_Urge_Legislation_to_Prevent_Wrongful_Convictions.php

Connected with Project innocence, and to an effort set up by the Dallas District Attorney, Craig Watkins, and supported by the men who have been found innocent.

I’m sure some MRA types will declare this all evidence of wimminz evilness, but I’d also toss in the police who did not follow best practices for eyewitness testimony, and the all white system which in Texas has spent years railroading black men into prison without giving a damn about sort of legal or ethical principles.

So those looking to support efforts to exonerate men unfairly convicted can support this project.

David K. Meller
David K. Meller
9 years ago

The persistince of “prejudice” is easily explicable by the fact that human nature–especially our more disagreeable traits, such as dishonesty, extreme present orientation, laziness and shiftlessness, hotility to other group(s)–such as Jews for gentiles e.g. ‘goyim”, or “cattle”–aggressive attitudes of superiority and exclusiveness, different levels of law abidingness and civil engagement, etc. Each of these traits is universal, meaning that EVERY group has them, but at widely varying levels! Even when a very few individuals in a targeted group display such (mis)behavior, when the number of people grow to the millions, over generations of time, extremely bitter and malevolent feelings will evolve, and often spread, not only from generation to generation, but from one group to another (especially if the new group(s) have the misfortune to suffer sustained encounters and proximity with the majority in question.

PS–That is why the slogan used to attack prejudice–“they are not ALL like that” is so ineffective! Even a small number and percentage of misbehaving or evil members of the offending group over enough time will make association with the majority so painful that it doesn’t MATTER if they are ‘ALL” like that or not! Enough are so that it doesn’t matter!

PEACE AND FREEDOM!!
David K. Meller

PosterformerlyknownasElizabeth

Alex, in the article it mentions that the town of Würzburg was completely flattened, almost all of the men being removed/killed/no longer there after WWII because it was extremely heavily bombed. So the question becomes-if you have a town totally destroyed where a large portion of the population is gone-will the hatred of Jews remain?

The Iraqis did not deserve what happened to them and they are not the ones to whom I was referring. Sorry about the confusion. 🙁

min0u
min0u
9 years ago

During the Golden age of Islam, there was not a “feminist movement” as per our modern understanding, but reformers argued for women’s rights to education, property and spiritual achievement. Women were employed in a wide range of commercial activities and diverse occupations. Female farmers, merchants, tradespeople, investors, doctors, brokers, lenders and scholars were not uncommon. In fact, the proportion of female lecturers in many classical Islamic colleges was higher than in Western universities today.

However, women did not enjoy all the same rights and privileges as men did, even though reformers argued that they should. Women were more likely to audit classes rather than formally enroll in them, for example, and women speaking up in lecture was often poorly received. And if a woman did not belong to a learned or scholarly family, the realities of gender discrimination in her daily life would be much more harsh and oppressive.

The causes of the decline of the Islamic Golden Age are not precisely known or universally agreed upon, but certainly had much to do with invasions by Mongols and crusaders, and the destruction of libraries and madrasahs. While it is true that subsequent scholars, politicians and religious figures would suggest that this decline was exacerbated by societal “decadence” in their call for a return to austerity and “traditional values,” claiming that “the misogny in Islam, did stem from a form of feminism,” is a bizarre oversimplification.

Oneness of Ju Ju
Oneness of Ju Ju
9 years ago

Muchmore

I never said women had equal status with men as we know it, I said that they experimented with gender roles and sexual liberation as best that they could, its a characteristic of a civilization at its peak, we can take it to new levels with birth control and other technology, you cant have equal status as we know it without technology and modern inventions like the welfare state.

Elizabeth

There is a clever point in there, that you don’t get.

Ok, I’m going to leave you all now, in your emperors new clothes.

PosterformerlyknownasElizabeth

I think Oneness of Ju Ju is our new resident troll.

The point I was thinking about with the fact that the men (raised to be Manly Men Who Kill Things because that is what Manly Men do…) were no longer around, would women evidence the same level of hatred (and ensuing violence that can happen from said hatred?)

kirbywarp
kirbywarp
9 years ago

Elizabeth:

“I think Oneness of Ju Ju is our new resident troll.”

Lets try to be a little fair, I don’t think Oneness is saying something that far off base… She’s just making some bad equivocations.

Oneness:

Feminism, at least as I understand it, involves equality for women in society. Why you seem to want to call “intoxication, poetry, song, orgies, dance and sexual liberation” feminism is a bit beyond me. Like others have said, a society can be sexually free/hedonistic without giving women equality. The two are quite different.

katz
9 years ago

Birth control! Welfare state! Clearly Ju Ju has a brilliant insight into everything that s/he is just choosing not to share.

kirbywarp
kirbywarp
9 years ago

“There is a clever point in there, that you don’t get.
Ok, I’m going to leave you all now, in your emperors new clothes.”

Ok, or you could say that. C’mon Oneness, I was on your side!

Off topic slightly, what’s with the fancy new input boxes? Change is scary!

David K. Meller
David K. Meller
9 years ago

As a fab of the-Spearhead (and other men’s advocate websites and blogs) I wonder just how you KNOW this, justmorethanorifices? Has being a feminist given you telepathic powers where you can divine the intentions and inner (sometimes even subconscious) feelings of people whom you almost certainly have never met, that you can authoritatively state:These men are OBSESSED (caps yours) with proving women inferior.IT CONSUMES THEIR ENTIRE LIFE! …The spectre of WOMAN always casts her shadow upon them and their pathetic efforts to throw arrows at this paradigm is quite amusing to watch. If it were not so pathetically sad, it would actually be funny! To these misogynists—where would you egalitarian extremists be without namecalling?–women are enemies hiding behind every corner…They warm themselves by the ‘fires of misogyny’ to feel better about themselves”

Almost every article–and post–on the Spearhead gives clear, thoughtful and reasonable arguments how feminism–and feminist–injure society, damage the family, and corrode love and harmony between the sexes! IF feminists were correct in their assumptions of gender equality, everyone–both men and women, and especially the up-and-coming generation, would be strikingly better off! Divorce would be fewer, families would be stronger, drunkenness, drug abuse, urban crime and crime–especially among young people, would be a rarity, and perhaps even unknown in many communities, the workweek would be shorter (especially given the immense technological advances of the past 50-75 years), rape and sexual pathology would be almost unheard of, and equality could and would have fulfilled its promises made so noisily in the ’60s and early ’70s!

We clearly experienced not only disappointment, but the diametrical opposite as far as results are concerned! Feminists (and nonwhite racial egalitarians) have had everything their own way for the better part of a century, they have had the single minded might of the United States Government–the most powerful nation on Earth, a comprehensive and universal system of brainwashing and conditioning (“publik skoolz”) amplified by network news and the idiot box– and the resultant bloody mess is what you see being commented upon in the Spearhead and similar websites and blogs. YOU feminists (both manboobs and grrrlz) have a LOT to answer for! Don’t blame us for the manifest consequences of YOUR recklessness and irresponsibiltiy! I don’t know if we would be a better and more humane country if feminism never existed–but I can’t blame anyone for feeling that way.

PEACE AND FREEDOM!!
David K. Meller

Ami Angelwings
9 years ago

xD I just woke up from a nap and in the space of my nap somebody apparently trolled and flounced :O

That was efficient…

We should have badges.. or prizes… “most efficient troll”

kirbywarp
kirbywarp
9 years ago

“most likely to show up at a thread”

“most persistant”

“least likely to concede a point”

just a few more, we should have an awards thread with ballots and everything! 😛

katz
9 years ago

“most self-obsessed”

“worst at math”

“most repetitive”

“least correct”

Ami Angelwings
9 years ago

“the Ami Angelwings XD Award” for commenter most likely to make commenters feel like XD

Like the “Alka Seltzer Plus Award” or the other sports awards named after sponsors xD

kirbywarp
kirbywarp
9 years ago

Not to be confused with the “XD Ami Angelwings Award,” given to the comment most pissed off by the use of XDs.

min0u
min0u
9 years ago

Come on, Ju Ju. If you make statements that amount to “Throughout history, feminism or something like it shows up in societies at their peak – today, we have unprecedented gender parity thanks to birth control and the social safety net,” while leaving yourself plausible deniability on the implied corollary, “After the peak comes collapse! If you don’t want your society to collapse, you should get that birth control and welfare away from women!”

…folks will call you out for straight-up trolling.

No troll prize for you, either. Your appearance-to-flounce time was efficient, but you were a little too heavy-handed. Should’ve kept us guessing, so the more generous among us would still be giving you the benefit of the doubt.

katz
9 years ago

“the Ami Angelwings XD Award” for commenter most likely to make commenters feel like XD

No fair! You would always win that one!

Kave
Kave
9 years ago

Until I heard welfare state and orgies being explained as female liberation. …..

Captain Bathrobe
Captain Bathrobe
9 years ago

@kirbywarp

Like others have said, a society can be sexually free/hedonistic without giving women equality.

Cf., the late 1960s.

katz
9 years ago

I’m pretty sure only trolls even use the term “welfare state.”

Nobby
Nobby
9 years ago

“No fair! You would always win that one!” Well, it is named after her for a reason.

We could have the “Anti-Ami Anglewings Award”, which is given to the commenter with the least emoticons! That could take a while to award, though, as most people don’t use them quite as often…

Also, agreed with Kirbywarp, change is scary! Unless it involves a preview function. Comeon, David! You know you want to.

Alex
9 years ago

@Elizabeth,

“if you have a town totally destroyed where a large portion of the population is gone-will the hatred of Jews remain?”

I imagine it could get worse among the survivors, and if there are no survivors, then those in the surrounding communities. That hatred, just as that before it, would be unjustified, but predictable, and at least equally as unjustified as the collective punishment of an entire town, which I can’t imagine was populated entirely by racists, even if we aren’t counting children. Now, obviously, we know what did happen with Germany; the Nazis were defeated and the German people learned that all the rumours were true and were horrified, and they became a normal, stable country. But just because that was the outcome I don’t think justifies flattening whole cities, towns, and villages.

PosterformerlyknownasElizabeth

It could be that they still held their hatred but it could also be that they learned that if you hate others, you might get your entire town destroyed so perhaps it is a good idea to avoid that in the first place.

No, I do not think teaching someone to accept another is best achieved by trashing their hometown. I think the best way is to make sure that person spends a lot of time around others who are not the same as them.

katz
9 years ago

That seems vanishingly improbable. Shitty things happening to people tend to make them more angry.

Also, why are we still talking about destroying cities?

kirbywarp
kirbywarp
9 years ago

@Elizabeth:

Good to know you don’t want to start bombing people, but this is getting into iffy territory, as you are starting to sound like you think destroying cities could be justified by the possibility that people might link that to them hating others.. =_= Sooo… Let’s turn to,

David K. Meller. Who has shown up to shout about how feminists have been in control of America The Most Awesome And Powerful Thing in the Past Two-Hundred Years Since It’s Been Around, and yet for some reason they haven’t managed to obliterate crime and divorce! Also that “almost all” posts and comments are actually quite intelligent really. Unless he’s a one off, attack my feminist minions! Attack! Mwa ha ha ha ha ha ha haaaa!

Kave
Kave
9 years ago

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Alex
9 years ago

@David K. Meller,

“I wonder just how you KNOW this, justmorethanorifices? Has being a feminist given you telepathic powers where you can divine the intentions and inner (sometimes even subconscious) feelings of people whom you almost certainly have never met, that you can authoritatively state:These men are OBSESSED (caps yours) with proving women inferior.IT CONSUMES THEIR ENTIRE LIFE! …The spectre of WOMAN always casts her shadow upon them and their pathetic efforts to throw arrows at this paradigm is quite amusing to watch. If it were not so pathetically sad, it would actually be funny! To these misogynists—where would you egalitarian extremists be without namecalling?–women are enemies hiding behind every corner…They warm themselves by the ‘fires of misogyny’ to feel better about themselves””

LOL! I think you just proved it yourself.

katz
9 years ago

To these misogynists—where would you egalitarian extremists be without namecalling?

This is why it’s always important to read what you have written.

Kratch
Kratch
9 years ago

What I find particularly telling is the willingness, even eagerness, to accept and perpetuate one kind of discrimination (against men) while simultaneousness whining discrimination is hard to get rid of once it’s established.

kirbywarp
kirbywarp
9 years ago

Alright Kratch, name something I (or others) have done in discrimination against men, as a whole (not just a group that is mostly male). Also give evidence, because just naming it doesn’t make it true. 😛 Let me repeat, discrimination against a group that is mostly male, or against a single male, is not necessarily rooted in misandry.

Bathorie
Bathorie
9 years ago

Almost every article–and post–on the Spearhead gives clear, thoughtful and reasonable arguments how feminism–and feminist–injure society, damage the family, and corrode love and harmony between the sexes!

No.

Feminists (and nonwhite racial egalitarians) have had everything their own way for the better part of a century, they have had the single minded might of the United States Government–the most powerful nation on Earth, a comprehensive and universal system of brainwashing and conditioning (“publik skoolz”) amplified by network news and the idiot box– and the resultant bloody mess is what you see being commented upon in the Spearhead and similar websites and blogs.

No.

And here’s the real irony of this comment; most of the things I see on the Spearhead about the oppression of men has much less to do with modern feminism or modern civil rights movements than it does hundreds-year old class systems. But its comments like this that highlight the MRM’s frequent refusal to address the issue of classism among both themselves and society at large. (I assume that “classism” is too Liberal a word.)

Also, no one who isn’t a grad student should be allowed to read Nietzche. Really.

Hippodameia
Hippodameia
9 years ago

“most likely to abuse history”

“most likely to completely misunderstand history”

“most creative use of grammar and spelling”

“best made-up words”

PosterformerlyknownasElizabeth

I know Kratch was whining about how we have not immediately denounced and complained that men were left out of the Violence Against Women Act. Apparently since women want to prevent violence against their sex, have worked hard to get help from government and other groups to do so, it means that teh menz are all discriminated against and we are misandrist because we are not focused on teh menz.

I pointed out that the nonpsycho MRAs could, you know, lobby Congress to replace that law with funding for both genders in an End Domestic Violence Act as anything that excludes one class can be viewed as discriminatory. He just went on complaining and demanding denouncements of whatever problems he has with women getting any benefit ever if it means a man is not paramount in everyone’s consideration.

Also, I have a hard time! taking someone! who uses so many! exclamation points! seriously.