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The Spearhead on Lady Lit 3: Electric Boogaloo

This baby knows more about contemporary women's fiction than all Spearhead contributors combined. (As does the kitten.)

There are really few things quite so entertaining as watching people as ignorant as a box of pig shit offering their opinions on literature. Especially when the people in question are W.F. Price and his gang of misfit boys at The Spearhead, who are back for yet another take on the whole Women’s Lit question.

At this point I’ve run out of jokes on this particular subject, so I’m just going to let Mr. Price dig his own hole here. Here he is, trying to argue that feminism has made terrible lady writers even terribler.*

[I]t appears that since feminism’s triumph, female achievement in the higher arts has deteriorated substantially. When women no longer have to excel to be read and recognized, but simply have to advertise the fact that they are women to be celebrated for dubious achievements, they won’t put as much effort into producing anything of quality. So the sorry state of women today is a direct result of feminist privilege, which absolves them of all responsibility and deflects any criticism. …

Yes, feminism has wrecked Western womanhood, reducing the young women of today to spoiled brats who can’t take a hint of criticism, and immediately turn to authorities to bolster their self-esteem. No woman can be too fat to be beautiful, too dense to be intelligent, or too dull to be creative. They are all equally super-duper goddesses, before whom men must genuflect and heap up mounds of praise.

Price of course gives no examples to back up any of his, er, “arguments,” and somehow I suspect he hasn’t actually read any fiction written by women beyond an odd title or two he might have been assigned in high school. I wonder if Price could even name a half-dozen living woman novelists without having to resort to Google — excluding JK Rowling, Stephanie Meyer and Jackie Collins (who hasn’t heard of them?) and Harper Lee (who wasn’t assigned To Kill a Mockingbird in high school?).

*I am aware that “terribler” is not a real world.

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Jodi
Jodi
9 years ago

David, thanks!

If he does read a lot, though, he should be aware that bookstores/libraries are full of all kinds of books, even if he never ventures far from the SF series shelves. Those other books wouldn’t be available if people weren’t reading them.

Bee
Bee
9 years ago

(Or “wrote” children’s books.)

Anyway … yes, I was able to read a book for 9- to 12-year olds when I was 10. Deal with it. I’m a fucking genius.

Lady Victoria von Syrus
Lady Victoria von Syrus
9 years ago

even if he never ventures far from the SF series shelves.

In all fairness, a lot of my leisure time reading comes off those shelves, too – and there are still quite a few talented women writers being stocked there, whose work tends to have very feminist themes. There are also quite a few good male authors who are capable of writing believable female characters as well.

NWOslave
NWOslave
9 years ago

Jodi, the last two times I’ve moved I had hundreds if not thousands of pounds of books. I go by weight in books it easier. Well guess what? When you have a yard sale you can’t give the damn things away. I never even stored them on bookshelves, I had them in cardboard boxes. The only reason people have them on display on shelves is to show off and say “look at men I’m so well read.” I’d need another house to store all the books I’ve read, and why would I do that? To impress others?

Ami Angelwings
9 years ago

@Lady Victoria Von Syrus it’s weird that ppl assume that having a long list of names meant that you must have just gone looking for them o_O I’m one of the ppl who just absorbs stuff I’m interested in and remembers it xD I can name almost every goalie (and most of the back up goalies) from the NHL 1995-96 goalie for each team, for example xD I remember WAY too much detail (incl planet names) from Star Trek: TNG even tho I haven’t watched every episode like 50 times… I just pick stuff up o_o If somebody asked me to name a bunch of Swedish NHL players I liked in the history of the NHL, I could get out a bunch, and I suspect there’s way more female authors xD

It’s not even that it “matters” to me. It’s that I just absorb information on stuff that I like :3 Like the birthplace of hockey players… their names… and I can sort them in my head by category… I’m pretty sure “gender doesn’t matter to me” doesn’t mean “I have no idea what gender anybody is” xD

Ami Angelwings
9 years ago

That should be *1995-96 season obv xD

Nobinayamu
Nobinayamu
9 years ago

David, it’s straight up uncanny. Sometimes I think NWO is just fucking with us. No one can be this wrong, this often and still get hysterically huffy when someone points out his poor spelling or the fact that the Greek and Latin alphabet are not the same. Uncanny.

I really love looking at other people’s bookshelves and trying to see what authors and titles we have in common. Both the lists provided by Amanda and Ithiliana made me really miss my own shelves.

Kari
Kari
9 years ago

“No one looks at authors other than the biggies who’ve made a name for themselves by consistently writing good books. This is definitely true.”

Stephanie Meyers made a name for herself and (in my opinion) can’t write worth a damn.

Also, Meg Cabot (AKA Patricia Cabot, AKA Jenny Caroll) is a feminist author and she writes amazing stories.

Ami Angelwings
9 years ago

Or that Japanese words mean things xD

Ami Angelwings
9 years ago

Getting hysterically huffy is his schtick tho xD It’s like… Kurt Angle back when he was a heel and the crowd chanting “YOU SUCK” down at him xD Do you think he’d have a shot at Pecunium and the World Title next Sunday at MBZ Wrestlemanginia if he wasn’t such a hilarious heel? 😀

NWOslave
NWOslave
9 years ago

Lady Victoria von Syrus You said this…”Since women still shoulder the majority of domestic chores and child-raising in addition to maintaining a career, this can be challenging”

You see this is one of the things that really irks me and other men. If a woman stays at home and a man works, he is also providing childcare by providing money. If they both work and she does the brunt of hauling the child around and such. The father perhaps maintains the house, mows the lawn whatever. This is also part of childcare. Those things still need to be done to provide for the child. Can’t you see that.

katz
9 years ago

When you have a yard sale you can’t give the damn things away.

That…may be because you read shitty books. Srsly, the books you read end up in the 50-cent bin at Half Price Books.

The only reason people have them on display on shelves is to show off and say “look at men I’m so well read.”

Or maybe so you could read them? A couple days ago I found myself on an unsuccessful hunt for Andre Breton’s novel Nadja because it’s (I think) in the back of a double row of paperbacks on a shelf in a closet behind a dismantled table. Why keep them if you can’t get to them?

Bee
Bee
9 years ago

Or that reminiscing that you read a children’s book when you were a child isn’t “bragging.” I have a feeling that this is going to devolve very quickly into “OH, LOOK WHO’S WEARING PANTS AND SHOES! LAH DEE DAH, DON’T YOU THINK YOU’RE SPECIAL?!?”

katz
9 years ago

Incidentally, I did read The Odyssey for the first time when I was 11. Loved it! Awesome adventure story.

girlscientist
girlscientist
9 years ago

To continue the list of living great female authors:

Susannah Clarke
Helen Fielding
Danielle Trussoni

And because not everybody writes in English:

Hella S. Haasse
Amélie Nothomb
Fred Vargas
Anna Enquist
Isabel Allende
Marjane Satrapi (those are graphic novels, but they qualify as literature)

And many, many more…

Ami Angelwings
9 years ago

Have you tried pricing them at 25 cents each? I have found psychologically that if things are free, ppl will tend to think “do I REALLY want this cluttering up the place?” but if they’re just dirt cheap, ppl will be like yay deal! A whole book for 25 cents! 😀 I could read it on the bus or something!

I’ve done this w/ my books and w/ my giant bin of random terrible comic books xD (all from the 2000s xD so they’re not even vintage terrible, they’re Civil War/House of M/Amazons Attack/Various Crisis tie-in terrible xD ) and it makes a HUGE difference 😀

But YMMV 🙂 Just a suggestion :]

NWOslave
NWOslave
9 years ago

Does Noel Streatfield write childrens books Bee? And your telling me as a fucking 10 year old you “noted” the authors names of the books you’ve read?

Well I read a whole wack of childrens books as well. Oddly enough I don’t recall or care who wrote them. In fact as a 10 year old I’m certain that was at the bottom of my to do list.

NWOslave
NWOslave
9 years ago

Have a yard sale Katz and let me know how you make out. You bookshelf will sell for more than every book you have put together.

Hippodameia
Hippodameia
9 years ago

“When you have a yard sale you can’t give the damn things away.”

There isn’t a market for badly written Jewish, excuse me, Rothschild Conspiracy Theories?

Ami Angelwings
9 years ago

As a 10 y/o I was always fascinated by stuff like authors names 😀 Baseball players, stats… cards.. xD It was fun xD Same w/ remembering all the episode names and guest stars on shows :3

I think it’s a different personality thing :3 I mean some ppl are interested in some things, and some aren’t, some ppl have a better casual memory than others.

I’m not sure why it’s an insult or a WTF YOU DO THAT!? WHAT DOES THAT SAY ABOUT YOU? thing just b/c ppl are different and that they were different as children o_o

Ami Angelwings
9 years ago

Wait I’m confused o_O Does he just want to declutter his bookshelf, or is he looking to make a pretty penny now? o_O

Captain Bathrobe
Captain Bathrobe
9 years ago

Barbara Kingsolver
Madeleine L’Engle
Phillipa Gregory
Anne Rice

OK, the last one undermines our overall point, but still…

NWOslave
NWOslave
9 years ago

Good gravy, girlscientist is still continuing the list of living “great” female authors.

Theres gotta be around 200 listed already. If you read a book a week in between work/play and the rest of your life you’ll be set for 4 years.

Nobinayamu
Nobinayamu
9 years ago

Oh, this is just ridiculous.

Yeah, when I was a child I knew the names of the authors of my books. I don’t even understand what you’re on about. I fondly remember books I read when I was ten and occasionally check them out of the library (if I don’t already own them) in order to enjoy them again.

Maybe the reason you didn’t care or pay attention to the authors of the books you read as a child is your own lack of intellectual curiosity. You know like the way you assume a japanese word is “made up” or are too lazy to do a simple google search on Streatfield.

Ami Angelwings
9 years ago

@Hippodameia Now now, nobody said they were badly written.

Hippodameia
Hippodameia
9 years ago

“Does Noel Streatfield write childrens books Bee?”

Hmm. As the first line on her wikipedia entry says: “Mary Noel Streatfeild OBE (24 December 1895–11 September 1986), known as Noel Streatfeild, was an author, most famous for her children’s books including Ballet Shoes (1936),” it would seem that Noel Streatfeild did indeed write children’s books.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Noel_Streatfeild

Mr. Kobold
Mr. Kobold
9 years ago

Before we explore into the endless shit-pit that is his stupidity, especially considering literature, here is an excerpt of what Slavey considers to be the:

“Best books of all time has to be…

3) Star Wars books are endless, Vong series was outstanding from multilpe authors.

There was a series of 3 terminator books that were pretty good and was made into a movie.

I couldn’t even finish the lord of the rings 1st book it dragged on so badly. Movies were great.”

Or, in summary, a series of published Star Wars fan-fiction, sorry I mean “tales from the Extended Universe”, involving Biology-Borgs with pain fetishes are part of his idea of the best books ever, so that ‘s where Slavey is coming from whenever he opens his mouth concerning writing.

http://images.wikia.com/starwars/images/e/ed/Yuuzhan-vong-eu2_bg.jpg

Uh…..

http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lgogysXSYI1qgm9u6o1_250.png

kirbywarp
kirbywarp
9 years ago

“Well, it just doesn’t seem his “offensive” opinions will matter much in the long run.” – From the new Price post

Well, yeah, actually that’s true. In the long run peoples wild, or terrible, opinions aren’t remembered if they contributed something great. Newton is remembered for his physics, not his alchemy. Dunno what Price’s point is though, does that mean we shouldn’t care if anyone says anything sexist, because we won’t care about it hundreds of years from now?

Ami Angelwings
9 years ago

@Nobinayamu yeah… me too! Is this WEIRD? My sister and pretty much every friend I’ve ever had is like this too… I didn’t know it was WEIRD.. esp not at 10.. o_O I was always rooting out the books of ppl I liked. And like I read Billy Bishop’s Winged Warfare when I was 10.. and that started my WWI obsession reading for a while xD but he makes it sound like 10 is like 4… o_O I remembered the authors of every Star Trek book I liked so I could seek out others of their things when I was 10 o_O It never seemed odd to me…

NWOslave
NWOslave
9 years ago

Ya want something good to read, try the creature from jekyll island.

Bee
Bee
9 years ago

Slavey: Does Noel Streatfield write childrens books Bee?

I wasn’t lying when I said she did. And the link to Amazon that I provided for you helpfully wasn’t lying either. And, just in case you need further evidence, here is her Wikipedia page, which describes her as an author who is most famous for her children’s books. She apparently wrote books that weren’t aimed at children in addition to her children’s books, but I’ve never read any of those.

And yes, I took note of her name (although I thought of her as a “him”) because I loved her books and I wanted to read the whole Shoe series: “Ballet Shoes,” “Circus Shoes,” “Party Shoes,” “Theatre Shoes,” etc. I did the same for Maud Hart Lovelace and Beverly Cleary and Frances Hodgson Burnett and … oh, probably all the way back to Eric Carle. I spent a lot of time at the library and my mom signed me up for summer programs there. It was probably something a librarian told me: Oh, if you like this book, you’ll probably like this other book by the same author.

I know, it seems like such a fantastical tale that you’ll never, ever believe it. Much more unbelievable than, say, ever Americans’ birth certificate being bought and sold on the stock market, which is an inherently common-sense thing to believe.

Ami Angelwings
9 years ago

I think most of the ppl here are older than 4 years old xD I always think I dun read a lot (and honestly I dun) but then when I started to make a list of the books I’ve read in my life I realized holy crap that’s a LOT OF BOOKS O_O;;; It sneaks up on you xD Same w/ video games I’ve played…. omg it’s like 300!? Maybe more o_o;; And yet I’ve had time to watch so many baseball, hockey, basketball and football games xD And bike and run and watch so many TV series. Sometimes I put together all that and go “omfg there’s more time in my life even w/ work and school than I thought” xD Plus the endless shopping xD And the dating… hugging of cats.. and posting here! 😀

Bee
Bee
9 years ago

Did I break the comment thread? All of a sudden everything’s in itals…

My bad.

kirbywarp
kirbywarp
9 years ago

Sorry about the non sequitur, but are comments showing up in all itallics for anyone else? It’s kinda throwing me off. O_O

Hippodameia
Hippodameia
9 years ago

@Ami Angelwings: Good point. But I think the odds are low that the writing is any good. 🙂

@Nobinayamu: Yes! I was in third grade when I read the two books that have had the greatest influence on my life. I own one and just found the other on Amazon. Both were by Anne Petry.

@David: it doesn’t count as hoarding if you mean to read them. Sometimes I save books for special occasions.

Ami Angelwings
9 years ago

@David you were actually the prototype. Before we had to kidnap/seduce men to manginate them, but we decided to test an experimental process to maginate them as kids. Obv you were successful and that’s why we moved onto widespread magination 😀

NWOslave
NWOslave
9 years ago

Have you read any of them Mr. Kobold. Or are you judging by not reading.

I read em and toss em Dave. Believe me, yard sale resale value sucks. The damn things just take up space. I however just bought a nook before I left for Texas. Takes a bit of getting used to but it ain’t too bad.

Like I said I could care less about the author, the title gets you the series.

kirbywarp
kirbywarp
9 years ago

And it went away, disregard my last post…

Ami Angelwings
9 years ago

Okay so my eyes didn’t just go wonky xD I thought “wtf.. I SWEAR that’s not the way normal font looked on this thread a second ago” xD

Spearhafoc
9 years ago

Italics off, maybe?

kirbywarp
kirbywarp
9 years ago

Heh, I could be contradictory again, NWO. I know that I’ve actively sought out books written by Stephen King and Agatha Christie, because i enjoyed their writing style so much. And their books are one-offs a lot of the time. Its possible to enjoy a certain author’s writing.

Ami Angelwings
9 years ago

I do care about the author xD When I was a kid cuz the first 2 Star Trek books I read were by PAD and Diane Duane, I thought every ST book was gonna be great… and boy did I learn that lesson fast xD So I quickly found the authors that DID write great Star Trek and glommed to those :3

Also NWO maybe you would be happier if you didn’t buy books with the idea that it’s not sunk cost and you can recoup your money o_O

Hopefully you can get rid of the books someway tho and declutter 🙂

Spearhafoc
9 years ago

Should have refreshed.

I’ve done this w/ my books and w/ my giant bin of random terrible comic books xD (all from the 2000s xD so they’re not even vintage terrible, they’re Civil War/House of M/Amazons Attack/Various Crisis tie-in terrible xD ) and it makes a HUGE difference

I ended up ripping Countdown apart and turning it into an art piece.

HunkyPunk
HunkyPunk
9 years ago

@NWO:

There’s nothing unusual about remembering the names of the authors of one’s favorite childhood books. I can recall a few myself: Judy Blume, Beverly Cleary, Laura Ingalls Wilder. I remember the names of these authors because like many children, when I found something I really liked I read/watched/played with it OVER and OVER again. And yeah, as with most people I’ve always taken at least a cursory glance at a title’s cover before reading.

Lady Victoria von Syrus
Lady Victoria von Syrus
9 years ago

You see this is one of the things that really irks me and other men. If a woman stays at home and a man works, he is also providing childcare by providing money. If they both work and she does the brunt of hauling the child around and such. The father perhaps maintains the house, mows the lawn whatever. This is also part of childcare. Those things still need to be done to provide for the child. Can’t you see that.

Mowing the lawn takes what, an hour or so every week? And that’s assuming that the family either lives in a place with a yard, or doesn’t have a gardening service that comes round and takes care of it for them. Not to disparage the almighty lawn-mowing prowess of Teh Man, but making sure that your kid (or kids) are clothed (taking the child clothes shopping, finding them appropriate and well-fitting clothes, keeping up with the laundry), fed (doing the grocery shopping and cooking), washed (daily baths and keeping the house clean), entertained (finding and buying age-appropriate and values-appropriate books, toys, movies, crafts, etc), educated (making sure they’re enrolled in school, making sure they do their homework, getting them to and from school, taking the time to teach them values, manners and everything else that schools don’t teach) and protected (keeping an eye on them so they don’t drown or get kidnapped, making sure the house is in good repair, teaching them how to take care of themselves, and taking them to the doctor so they are protected from disease) on a daily basis.

In terms of real hours spent, tell me what takes up more time? Go ahead and counter with your belief that the husband is making the money to make this happen and I will tell you: many mothers also work and bring in income, whether away from home or working from home; and that a father’s shift is generally going to be between eight to ten hours a day, five days a week – a mother’s day is much longer than that, and she doesn’t get weekends off.

Here’s an article explaining this:

http://www.businessweek.com/careers/workingparents/blog/archives/2006/12/chores_and_the.html

And a study:

http://muse.jhu.edu/login?uri=/journals/social_forces/v081/81.3mattingly.html

Ami Angelwings
9 years ago

XDDDD

I almost did that with Amazons Attack (instead I got some of my favourite reviews out of it on my site, Countdown too! xD) but instead I made a whole bunch of cents back on it xD

I’m glad I didn’t stick around for the rest of CD tho (that’s when I was pretty much done with DC xD ) cuz that would have been a lot of money x_x

My comics collection is almost pared down to a nice amount tho 😀 The giant boxes of comics are almost all gone. 🙂

Mr. Kobold
Mr. Kobold
9 years ago

“Have you read any of them Mr. Kobold. Or are you judging by not reading.”

Yeah I read a couple Vong stuff, they were alright, I’ll stick to Warhammer 40k when it comes to my easy franchise quick trip books. It it takes a special kind of stupid and ignorant, like willfully turning your eyes away from all other books of the science fiction genre whenever they should come into view ignorant, to call stuff like that the best shit ever.

I mean, if you can take away that self-awareness about yourself, you just might learn something.