The Men’s Rights subreddit on Reddit is awash in mini-manifestos. My favorite of the most recent batch, a rousing 3-part rant running under the title “Do not fear them!”
Who is “them,” you ask?
Women who might just decide that they don’t really want to have sex with some dude who keeps going on about how men are the most oppressed group in the world.
Responding, apparently, to a comment in an earlier thread suggesting “that being publicly vocal about the way men’s rights are trampled on and ignored is a great way to lose the opportunity of getting laid,” manifesto writer Kuppers argues that it just ain’t so — but when it is, just bite your tongue for as long as it takes to get into her pants.
He starts off with a strange variant on the notion that there are plenty of fish in the sea. If you feel that women won’t want to have sex with your Men’s-Rights-espousing self, Kuppers suggests, it’s
because your brain was conditioned in a small communal/tribal setting. A group of angry women was a serious threat to your prospects of reproduction. As you know, women often act like herd animals, and view acceptance and appreciation from their peers of their choice of man to be important. This is completely moot today. There are millions of fish in the sea.
Aside from that final truism I have no fucking idea what he’s talking about. I don’t recall growing up in anything that might possibly be considered – literally or figuratively – a “tribal setting” ruled over by a group – sorry, a herd – of “angry women” hell-bent on keeping me from reproducing. Is this a common experience? Also, I have precisely zero interest in “reproduction.” Indeed, I sort of make it a policy to only have sex with women who are at least as interested in preventing reproduction as I am.
On to point two in this curious document, which is that ladies love dudes with strong opinions:
Women, while they do not always explicitly say so and sometimes contradict so, sincerely do appreciate a man who has strong internal beliefs and principles, and does not compromise that for the sake of assuaging someone else’s sensitivities, including theirs. A man who is willing to pretend he is something he is not, isn’t attractive on a deep masculine level to women.
True, up to a point, but you might want to keep all that shit about women being angry reproduction-threatening herd animals to yourself. That might not go over so well on your first Starbucks coffee date. Or ever. Protip: Misogyny aside, very few people want to get with people who refer to sex as “reproduction.”
But if your desire for sex outweighs your manly desire to be truthful about your obnoxious beliefs, well, that’s all good too – if by “all good” you mean “you can still have angry sex with women you despise if you just keep your pie hole shut for a few hours.” Or, as Kuppers puts it in his third and final point, which he apparently doesn’t realize completely contradicts point number two:
The kind of woman who a) wants you to be subordinate to her crazy foaming feminist nonsense, and b) has no tolerance or patience for your concerns, is not worth anything more than a cheap, well-protected fuck anyway. Fine, keep your mouth shut for the couple of hours it takes to get her into bed, but you’d be mad to pursue anything more serious with a woman like that.
Men’s Rightsers – such romantics at heart!
Oh nooooooooo. I spelled a word wrong. Damn my lack of Shakespeare. I’m just not cultured enough.
I WOULDN’T LIKE TO RANDOMLY HIT A WOMAN FOR BEING A WOMAN.
Holy shit. I said there are SOME PEOPLE who deserve to be hit for being shitheads. That’s it. My God.
are ALL.
dammit
SlaveBoy, it’s spelled *hypocrisy*.
You’d think a kid who has his pulse on the dark secret history of the world could learn how to spell.
But maybe that’s what happens when all you read is Star Wars novels and shit posted on holocaust denier websites.
But if you let it define you, you need perspective.
And not a hint of irony.
MRAL, you literally let the bad things that happen to you define you. You have made up terminology so that you can apply it to yourself to define how sucky your life is. If I were like you, my handle would be “My credit card got rejected for the SECOND TIME while I was making my fourth attempt to buy THE SAME GODDAMN THING online!”
@kirbywarp
Everyone pays their own way.
At least he defines his imaginary word. And, indeed, it bears no resemblance to the similarly-spelled word hypocrisy.
Seems appropriate, since he’s describing imaginary women and imaginary feminists.
MRAL: Just as a note, you’ve consistantly made the assertion that women=alpha (except fat chicks). You then make the assertion that alpha=asshole. Further, asshole=you’d like to deck them.
See the connection we’re making?
I got mugged once, I’d imagine it’s maybe similar on a slightly higher level because it’s more personal. But if you let it define you, you need perspective.
I don’t think anyone here is letting it define them. After all, no one even brought it up until the topic of the thread was the problem of getting groped on public transportation. If they had let it define them, you’d think they’d talk about it incessantly, all the time, on every single thread they show up on. But so far, the only person doing that is you & your spitting fantasies.
I said there are SOME PEOPLE who deserve to be hit for being shitheads.
Aaaaand that category includes women who are hot, women who are ugly, and men who get more women than you. IE, everyone. So you want to hit everyone.
NWO:
Doesn’t answer my question. At all. Even in the slightest. Do women pay by having sex? Isn’t this making them sluts? Do women pay for dates by being labeled sluts/abusers? Again, where is your logic?
Ahhh my shame explodes in my face Mr. Kobold, if only a was a mature grown up like you. Tell me about how the world works.
Ami, as a matter of fact, I myself went through an embarrassingly long “can’t get laid” phase. That ended a good long time ago, but I can still remember what it was like. Unlike MRAL, though, I didn’t get angry, I just got depressed. I also suffered from a bad case of Nice Guy, but I eventually recovered.
Of course, back then, there was no online MRM for me to poison my mind with. I like to think I wouldn’t have fallen for it, but who can say?
I said there are SOME PEOPLE who deserve to be hit for being shitheads.
Where “shithead” is defined as “someone who does not immediately jump to sooth and stroke my ego whenever I interact with her.”
Yeah, like, what so unreasonable about THAT?
@MRAL actually the point every woman was trying to make is that DESPITE how traumatizing it is (you even admitted that word xD ) they haven’t let it define them 🙂 They are in relationships, they still go out, they still have fun, they don’t hate men, they’re married, they watch movies 🙂
Which is what everybody here is trying to help YOU with: perspective, letting go of your generalized anger, and not letting things define you 🙂
Well okay, Victoria, but the whole fymynyst movement is built upon victim fetishes and how the poor martyred FUCKING wymyn can’t go from the house to the myilbox wythout being subjected to the “male gaze” or “catcalls” or being “eye raped” or whatever the fuck else.
@kirbywarp
You asked who should pay, I said pay your own way. Questioned answered.
Also, I totally forgot to point out in my last comment that it’s utterly shitheaded to call a mugging ‘more personal’ than actually BEING TOUCHED AND GROPED. I know reasonable, decent people who have been mugged who are still able to empathize with women getting groped on the subway and harassed on the street.
MRAL: That…sounds exactly like a misspelled version of your account of how everyone who walks by you on the street without saying hi is “spitting” on you.
“I’m just not cultured enough.”
Trust us, everyone knows that.
Now what is your contribution to the world as you were mentioning before Slavey?
What’s the day-job of a barely educated conspiracy theorist, because we know you aren’t completely off the grid yet given that you’re posting here.
“Damn my lack of Shakespeare”
Knowledge of Shakespeare English does not help with basic phonics, in fact I think it does just the opposite.
Ahhh my shame explodes in my face
Hee.
NWO:
Again, no logic. You say everyone should pay their own way. Okay. What does that mean exactly? Again, should women pay by sex? If so, that makes them sluts. And if they don’t pay anything they are abusers. Presumably if men pay by sex they become sluts as well. So how do men and women go on a date without either of them being labeled as a slut or an abuser?
No, Slavey, you only perceive the insults because that’s how I respond to asshole trolls like you. The vast majority of the posters here are not asshole trolls, and my interactions with them are completely different — as you would be able to see for yourself if your head weren’t wedged firmly up your ass.
No, actually, the feminist movement is built on the idea that women are actual people, with self-determination and autonomy and freedom of choice. And some women ARE victimized, and that’s not okay, and we should change our culture to get rid of whatever it is that teaches men that it’s okay to hit women or treat them like dirt.
awww *hugs Johnny* I went thru a rly long and hard depression too 🙁 and it was rly bad for almost half of my life (with suicide attempts) 🙁 I’m glad you’re okay now 🙂 I just chose you at random, I didn’t choose you b/c I assumed nething about your life :] I just mean that he talks a lot about how men and women lead lives that can be easily predicted by his grand unifying theory, so I want to see him apply it 😀