The Men’s Rights subreddit on Reddit is awash in mini-manifestos. My favorite of the most recent batch, a rousing 3-part rant running under the title “Do not fear them!”
Who is “them,” you ask?
Women who might just decide that they don’t really want to have sex with some dude who keeps going on about how men are the most oppressed group in the world.
Responding, apparently, to a comment in an earlier thread suggesting “that being publicly vocal about the way men’s rights are trampled on and ignored is a great way to lose the opportunity of getting laid,” manifesto writer Kuppers argues that it just ain’t so — but when it is, just bite your tongue for as long as it takes to get into her pants.
He starts off with a strange variant on the notion that there are plenty of fish in the sea. If you feel that women won’t want to have sex with your Men’s-Rights-espousing self, Kuppers suggests, it’s
because your brain was conditioned in a small communal/tribal setting. A group of angry women was a serious threat to your prospects of reproduction. As you know, women often act like herd animals, and view acceptance and appreciation from their peers of their choice of man to be important. This is completely moot today. There are millions of fish in the sea.
Aside from that final truism I have no fucking idea what he’s talking about. I don’t recall growing up in anything that might possibly be considered – literally or figuratively – a “tribal setting” ruled over by a group – sorry, a herd – of “angry women” hell-bent on keeping me from reproducing. Is this a common experience? Also, I have precisely zero interest in “reproduction.” Indeed, I sort of make it a policy to only have sex with women who are at least as interested in preventing reproduction as I am.
On to point two in this curious document, which is that ladies love dudes with strong opinions:
Women, while they do not always explicitly say so and sometimes contradict so, sincerely do appreciate a man who has strong internal beliefs and principles, and does not compromise that for the sake of assuaging someone else’s sensitivities, including theirs. A man who is willing to pretend he is something he is not, isn’t attractive on a deep masculine level to women.
True, up to a point, but you might want to keep all that shit about women being angry reproduction-threatening herd animals to yourself. That might not go over so well on your first Starbucks coffee date. Or ever. Protip: Misogyny aside, very few people want to get with people who refer to sex as “reproduction.”
But if your desire for sex outweighs your manly desire to be truthful about your obnoxious beliefs, well, that’s all good too – if by “all good” you mean “you can still have angry sex with women you despise if you just keep your pie hole shut for a few hours.” Or, as Kuppers puts it in his third and final point, which he apparently doesn’t realize completely contradicts point number two:
The kind of woman who a) wants you to be subordinate to her crazy foaming feminist nonsense, and b) has no tolerance or patience for your concerns, is not worth anything more than a cheap, well-protected fuck anyway. Fine, keep your mouth shut for the couple of hours it takes to get her into bed, but you’d be mad to pursue anything more serious with a woman like that.
Men’s Rightsers – such romantics at heart!
After having my ass grabbed (among other things grabbed) about 500 times or more over my lifetime, it gets pretty fucking traumatizing, kid. Repeated assault makes a person hyper-vigilant and hair-triggered. In other words, PTSD. That’s caused by TRAUMA. I warn would-be gropers that if they try it they will pull back a bloody stump. Usually they end up with at least a bloody nose. That’s what it’s come to for me.
And, my curiosity is piqued. I want to see your ‘deformed eye’! PLEEEEASE? What do you look like? You can’t be THAT ugly (on the outside, anyway). I have toe thumbs, like (apparently) Megan Fox! And, I’m bowlegged! XD
One of the sexiest guys I ever knew (and still do!) has a hunchback.
I just keep thinking that you can’t be THAT bad looking. Maybe you just seem ugly to yourself? Maybe I have a shred of idealism left in me after all…?
MRAL: The elevator incident was one thing, but you constantly whine about how much you hate people. Indeed, you are scarcely capable of making a post on any topic without mentioning how much you hate something or someone.
Well you keep elaborating on how angry you are about it and how it’s an example of the way all women “spit on you” o_O;; So you’re over it and realize that it wasn’t actually anything personal or an example of male oppression? :]
And since you’re answering me… what do you think being sexually assaulted is like? How do you think you would feel and react? What do you think is a comparable experience to sexual assault that you’ve experienced?
To mock the
hypocriticalimaginary feminists of course.FIFY
kirby, I’d probably get up and (gasp) leave, or tell her to step off or get kicked in the gut. Then I’d go home and forget about it.
Imagine that it’s not a woman, but a big burly gay guy who could easily paste you if he so chose, and he makes comments about what a pretty mouth you have. Imagine he’s gotten you in a corner, where all your exits are blocked.
@Doctress he alrdy showed us and it looked normal xD I showed him mine and he couldn’t even see it. xD
Alright MRAL, she’s persistant, and she follows you down the train. Leaving is out then. This is where the imagination comes in, which I really don’t expect you to understand. Basically, you are the weaker (in terms of abstract power) of the two (the possibility of the knife was supposed to represent this). You don’t think you’d be affected at all by the experience, one which happens consistantly?
Here is a way to get perspective:
“May I have perspective on that? Do you think it was a major thing or a minor one?”
“Major”
“Oh, well what would be a minor one? Thank you for your response, I hope you have been able to heal from what was obviously a very traumatic experience for you.”
“Example of minor.”
“Oh, I see. I am sorry you went through that.”
Your way: the Asshole Way
This way: not the Asshole Way
“kirby, I’d probably get up and (gasp) leave, or tell her to step off or get kicked in the gut. Then I’d go home and forget about it.”
You can kind of tell two things from this. One, that you’ve never been in a fight in your life considering every move of yours seems to revolve around some Wushu super kick fantasy (and considering you’d try and pull this imaginary move in Boston, you’d likely come out of it with a face uglier then it already is). And two, that you’re very short boy, cause all you can reach is the stomach.
Victoria, I’d tell him to step off or get fucked. If he gets violent, okay, THAT’S a legitimate traumatizing event. But chances of that are pretty small, especially if you’re in a public place. Since virtually all of the stories in the groping thread are of perverts touching and running, you can’t really argue with me there.
@ Slavey: Because I’m an asshole.
Yeah, I thought as much. It’s good to have solid data to confirm it.
Mral is metaphorically spit on. This is the worst injustice in the world and completely justifies the truckloads of bitterness, anger, and hatred he drives around with him.
Various women here have been LITERALLY assaulted, grabbed, groped, brushed up against, shoved against walls, knocked down, and insulted with the vilest words imaginable. That is no big deal and anyone who is still feeling anger or bitterness about those things is a weakling.
Yep. Complete misogyny.
@SallyStrange….
If you fuck lotsa men and want to be respected for being a slut/slutwalker thats hypocracy.
If you use mens money for drinks, gifts, food and want to be respected thats hypocracy.
If you use mens money and give them sex but don’t want to be considered a prostitute thats hypocracy.
If you want your needs to be met but refuse to meet a mans needs thats hypocracy.
Kobold, the difference is that the events described were one-shot deals. I am metaphorically spit on every day, in a constant loop. It’s a general lifestyle, for Christ’s sake. If it all stopped, I’d be totally willing to forgive and forget.
THERE we go!
As I keep asking you, what are the incidents where you are in your day to day life. You say this happens every day… what happens every day? 😮 Who spits on you every day? I would ask you how you think a woman’s life is different but you’ve alrdy admitted you don’t know xD So do you think OTHER guys deal with this every day? Like Kirby Warp… or Pez… how are THEIR days like?
Also, here’s a hint: even if you, personally, think that whatever happened wasn’t that bad, the human response is still something along the lines of, “Wow, it sucks that happened to you.” Not judgmental assholery.
I’m not saying sexual assault (legitimate sexual assault) is a good experience. I’d imagine it’s pretty bad, it’s probably shocking and traumatizing and it sucks. I got mugged once, I’d imagine it’s maybe similar on a slightly higher level because it’s more personal. But if you let it define you, you need perspective.
“Kobold, the difference is that the events described were one-shot deals. I am metaphorically spit on every day, in a constant loop. It’s a general lifestyle, for Christ’s sake. If it all stopped, I’d be totally willing to forgive and forget.”
God I’d love to just follow you around to see this “metaphorically” spitting as it occurs. What does that even look like?
Why are you here Johnny Pez? Your comments consist of nothing but extremely poor insults. Is that it?
You know, this is a case where if you haven’t been through it, you don’t know it. MRAL, despite your supposed intelligence, you just can’t seem to grasp the important part of the situation (the groping). Rather, it has to come to physical violence before you can sort of understand why it would suck.
We have a lot of data points here and around the world (through actions like creating female-only buses) to show what groping is actually like, and how serious it is. You who have never experienced it can brush it off. *shrug* Looks like we’re wasting time here.
If he gets violent, okay, THAT’S a legitimate traumatizing event
What about the threat of violence? He’s not getting violent, and you have the idea that as long as you sit there and take it, he won’t escalate. But you suspect that if you put up some kind of resistance, he might punch you. The people on the train with you don’t want to get involved, because they’re also afraid of getting pasted by the guy.
And then you try and report what happened, and the police just look at you and make some kind of comment about your jeans being too tight and you should be grateful for the attention.
FWIW, MRAL has made more than one violent comment here. It wasn’t just the elevator thing.
At least he defines his imaginary word. And, indeed, it bears no resemblance to the similarly-spelled word hypocrisy.
I have another question MRAL. xD If you hit a woman in a he-said-she-said scenario do you think you’d be arrested? You alrdy said you fear arrest, which is why you don’t. xD
And do you believe that police and the law are more likely to believe a woman than a man? o:
NWO, on a date, who should pay for the meal? If the man pays at all, is the woman a slut/abuser (depending on the existance of sex)? Would you rather women pay for everything? Wouldn’t that make men the sluts/abusers? Where is your logic here?
@Ami: Really?? Which thread? I want to see for myself.
It’s funny: of all the people I’ve dated and/or had sex with, many of them were, upon first meeting, not immediately ‘hot’ in my eyes. I have been with people of all shapes and sizes (for example: the shortest guy? 4’6″) But, I got to know their insides, their personalities, souls, whatever… and they became beautiful to me. I still think that’s amazing and it warms me to think that we are are capable of being beautiful.
Argh… must maintain… jaded… bitterness…
😉