The Men’s Rights subreddit on Reddit is awash in mini-manifestos. My favorite of the most recent batch, a rousing 3-part rant running under the title “Do not fear them!”
Who is “them,” you ask?
Women who might just decide that they don’t really want to have sex with some dude who keeps going on about how men are the most oppressed group in the world.
Responding, apparently, to a comment in an earlier thread suggesting “that being publicly vocal about the way men’s rights are trampled on and ignored is a great way to lose the opportunity of getting laid,” manifesto writer Kuppers argues that it just ain’t so — but when it is, just bite your tongue for as long as it takes to get into her pants.
He starts off with a strange variant on the notion that there are plenty of fish in the sea. If you feel that women won’t want to have sex with your Men’s-Rights-espousing self, Kuppers suggests, it’s
because your brain was conditioned in a small communal/tribal setting. A group of angry women was a serious threat to your prospects of reproduction. As you know, women often act like herd animals, and view acceptance and appreciation from their peers of their choice of man to be important. This is completely moot today. There are millions of fish in the sea.
Aside from that final truism I have no fucking idea what he’s talking about. I don’t recall growing up in anything that might possibly be considered – literally or figuratively – a “tribal setting” ruled over by a group – sorry, a herd – of “angry women” hell-bent on keeping me from reproducing. Is this a common experience? Also, I have precisely zero interest in “reproduction.” Indeed, I sort of make it a policy to only have sex with women who are at least as interested in preventing reproduction as I am.
On to point two in this curious document, which is that ladies love dudes with strong opinions:
Women, while they do not always explicitly say so and sometimes contradict so, sincerely do appreciate a man who has strong internal beliefs and principles, and does not compromise that for the sake of assuaging someone else’s sensitivities, including theirs. A man who is willing to pretend he is something he is not, isn’t attractive on a deep masculine level to women.
True, up to a point, but you might want to keep all that shit about women being angry reproduction-threatening herd animals to yourself. That might not go over so well on your first Starbucks coffee date. Or ever. Protip: Misogyny aside, very few people want to get with people who refer to sex as “reproduction.”
But if your desire for sex outweighs your manly desire to be truthful about your obnoxious beliefs, well, that’s all good too – if by “all good” you mean “you can still have angry sex with women you despise if you just keep your pie hole shut for a few hours.” Or, as Kuppers puts it in his third and final point, which he apparently doesn’t realize completely contradicts point number two:
The kind of woman who a) wants you to be subordinate to her crazy foaming feminist nonsense, and b) has no tolerance or patience for your concerns, is not worth anything more than a cheap, well-protected fuck anyway. Fine, keep your mouth shut for the couple of hours it takes to get her into bed, but you’d be mad to pursue anything more serious with a woman like that.
Men’s Rightsers – such romantics at heart!
I hear a lot of buzzing noise but hear no words. NWOaf must have appeared again.
So if you go on a date with a man, and you sleep with him, you’re a whore. If you go on a date with a man, and you don’t sleep with him, you’re a user.
That’s misogyny, where there’s no possible way for a woman to do anything right – and also, where you’re completely discounting the man’s experience as well. But then again, you cannot conceive of the idea that man might want to spend time with a woman because he finds her company enjoyable.
No woman will ever earn respect from you, NWOaf. But I understand it makes you look a little less stark raving misogynist if you pretend otherwise.
I don’t understand why you guys don’t just reclaim the label. Be PROUD of who you are! Stop letting those feminists push you around. It’s OKAY to hate women if they’re really so awful!
Oh. Oops, doy. I kind of always think of you as Liz. Or ‘Beth..? I’ll call you what you like, of course. 🙂
I’m just seeing XMen because it’s sci-fi-ish, I’ve seen all the others, so hey, why not? I’m going to see it with an open mind, and I know diddly shit about the plot or anything. It’ll be fun, I think!
Never did like the XMen comics, though… I prefer more alt-press kind of stuff.
Elfquest was my first comic book obsession.
Love and Rockets was my second… I was 14… wow, I am a salty old nerd! 😀
I maintain that I don’t understand what was so fucking criminal about my comments in the groping thread. How many people here have told me, in some way or another, to get over myself? Maybe I do need to, a little. Not in the sense that I’m wrong, but in that sense that I need to let go of some very justified anger in order to make some connections. So I’ll concede that point. Likewise, I think that some of the people in the groping thread need to fucking get over themselves. That’s a way bigger whine fest than anything I’ve ever done. Someone grabs your ass and you’re traumatized? Please. And yes there were SOME legitimate assaults described, but most of it was just victim fetish crap, typical of feminists.
I’m thinking of going to see X-Men and Fast Five at the drive-in theater! BOOM CRASH BANG!!!!
“If women have “needs” why should they be met if reciprication to a man having needs is openly mocked and dismissed?”
NWO all you’re “needs” consists of someone to make tinfoil hats for you as protection from the Jews. Wait I’m sorry, we’re in tired conspiracy theorist nomenclature-land, you mean protection from the “Rothschilds”.
And given your profile pic maybe someone to play rough with you? Strapping MIBs in Black Hawk helicopters perhaps? *Nudge nudge*
MRAL, let me fill you in a little bit about what’s going on:
You come on to this thread proclaiming that you hate all fat chicks, think they aren’t even human. Elizabeth shows you a plus-sized model, you think she’s attractive. Elizabeth reveals her wait, suddenly you don’t like her anymore. Then you decide that MAYBE thinking all fat chicks aren’t human might be a little harsh.
Meanwhile you dismiss any experience of groping or assault that is shared with you, assuring the posters that it isn’t REALLY a big deal, and they should just get over it. Meanwhile, you share horror stories about women not talking to you in the elevator (ie spitting) and about your terrifying deformity of having one eye slightly bigger than the other, and get violent when people tell you your problems aren’t as bad as you think they are. All of this while repeatedly claiming your intellectual superiority.
Apparently, we aren’t taking your shit anymore. If you’re gonna make a claim, you better damn well back it up. If you’re gonna call everyone but yourself a liar, we’re gonna call you out on it. You are dead-set on your world view, and instead of attempting to understand why people aren’t buying it, you instead go on reactionary rants. (Call me a liar, will you? I’ll call you a liar too! Ha ha!)
We are not stupid people, we are not brainwashed, as much as you’d like to think so. Their are some amazingly intelligent, and experienced, people on this forum with the background to be able to test your claims for basic sanity checks. Listen to them, and if you disagree, explain why. If you aren’t willing to do so, you and your opinions are not worth the electricity needed to light up the pixels of your text on my screen.
@Lady Victoria von Syrus
If you use a mans money and give him sex you are a prostitute, If you use a mans money and offer nothing you a vile creature who has stolen a mans money.
Pay your own way thru life.
Is there any among you who can say you’ve done neither?
MRAL-once again, fail. Most of the stories were not something you can easily get over.
Here is a story of someone getting over it: a friend of mine’s boyfriend in high school grabbed my breast without permission. It happened, I told him off, and nothing more was said. I was not traumatized, I “got over it” as you put it. But that happened nearly 17 years ago and I still remember it.
So you have no right to claim what someone else experienced was or was not traumatizing or was something that they have no right to remember.
@Mr. Kobold…
If you want to believe the Fed is run by the State knock yourself out.
@MRAL which ones?
According to you, you haven’t even gotten over a woman not saying hi back to you.. you still remember it and bring it up to this day xD So do you think somebody being ignored by a stranger is worse than somebody being sexually assaulted?
I’m actually not assuming your answer either, I’m just curious about your worldview, cuz as I said there’s this gigantic chasm between you and other ppl you try to engage with her 🙁 and maybe more understanding of what you actually mean will help :3
MRAL, when your bodily autonomy is violated, you’ll have something to complain about. Your lack of attention from women is not the same thing as being abused in public (or in private).
And it’s not up to you to adjudicate which stories are real and deserving of sympathy and which are just exaggerations. Your refusal to understand why having your ass grabbed by a stranger is upsetting is part of what makes you a misogynist. But then again, you think violence is an acceptable response to a tepid ‘hi’ in an elevator, and have admitted that the only reason you don’t hurt people is because you’d get in trouble (not because, you know, hurting people is WRONG).
Well, Poster I think we need people to give us perspective, and tell us that something minor is something minor.
I maintain that I don’t understand what was so fucking criminal about my comments in the groping thread.
You called people who were sharing their experiences a bunch of weak-ass liars. You don’t understand how that’s a fucking horrible thing to do? Well, you’re an idiot as well as a misogynist.
How many people here have told me, in some way or another, to get over myself? Maybe I do need to, a little. Not in the sense that I’m wrong, but in that sense that I need to let go of some very justified anger in order to make some connections.
If your anger is justified, then you have no business telling anyone else to get over their anger about being groped. You self-indulgent, selfish, narcissistic, misogynist wanker.
So I’ll concede that point.
Yeah right. Until the next conversation.
Likewise, I think that some of the people in the groping thread need to fucking get over themselves.
You’re an asshole. What business do you have telling other people how to feel about being assaulted and harassed? You said all your anger about being IGNORED is justified, but someone actually GRABBING a woman is just whatever. This is why I call you a pathetic misogynist.
That’s a way bigger whine fest than anything I’ve ever done.
Liar. You are the king of whines.
Someone grabs your ass and you’re traumatized? Please.
Asshole. Insensitive brute, who can’t think outside his own head and wouldn’t even want to if he could. You have no empathy, you have no sense of justice, and you have no idea of what it’s like to be a woman in the world. Why do you insist on belittling our experiences? What does it get you? A sense of superiority or something?
And yes there were SOME legitimate assaults described, but most of it was just victim fetish crap, typical of feminists.
Which were which, you fuckwit? Quotes, links, and fucking details. RIGHT NOW or shut the fuck up about this forever.
“Likewise, I think that some of the people in the groping thread need to fucking get over themselves. That’s a way bigger whine fest than anything I’ve ever done. Someone grabs your ass and you’re traumatized? Please.”
Imagine you’re on a train riding home after a long day. Suddenly some fat chick starts fondling your balls. For most of the way. Imagine, and this is gonna be hard, that you’re in a situation where if you respond, the chick might get violent, maybe she has a knife in her pocket, you don’t know. Now imagine this happens to you consistantly every other week or so. Are you beginning to see why this is a big deal?
Ami, the elevator thing happened like 3 weeks ago, I was irrationally angry for a minute, and then got over it. It’s you people who keep bringing it up.
@SallyStrange rly? Fast Five? :3 I’ve never watched any of those movies. Are they good? 😀 (for their genre) I enjoy fast cars and racing 😀
Hey, Slavey, here’s a relatively simple question: why are you here?
Ahhhh…
That was cathartic.
kirby, I’d probably get up and (gasp) leave, or tell her to step off or get kicked in the gut. Then I’d go home and forget about it.
“And yes there were SOME legitimate assaults described, but most of it was just victim fetish crap, typical of feminists.”
Just like you’re victim fetish about being spat on by hordes of imaginary women? And your victim fetish about being pushed around by the Alpha and Beta demigods that hold your misshapen self in contempt?
@Johnny Pez….
To mock the hypocritical feminists of course.
Ami, if you like fast cars and racing then you will LOVE the Fast & Furious series. Some are better than others. The “Tokyo Drift” one, which I think was #3, was more plot-free than the other ones. But on the whole they’re pretty good. Very racially diverse, but matter-of-fact about it, so that’s a plus. A little sexist with the way they use their (very few) female characters, so that’s a minus. YMMV, but I enjoy them.
Kobold, the difference is that the events described were one-shot deals. I am metaphorically spit on every day, in a constant loop. It’s a general lifestyle, for Christ’s sake. If it all stopped, I’d be totally willing to forgive and forget.