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Fear and loathing on a date

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The Men’s Rights subreddit on Reddit is awash in mini-manifestos. My favorite of the most recent batch, a rousing 3-part rant running under the title “Do not fear them!” 

Who is “them,” you ask?

Women who might just decide that they don’t really want to have sex with some dude who keeps going on about how men are the most oppressed group in the world.

Responding, apparently, to a comment in an earlier thread suggesting “that being publicly vocal about the way men’s rights are trampled on and ignored is a great way to lose the opportunity of getting laid,” manifesto writer Kuppers argues that it just ain’t so —  but when it is, just bite your tongue for as long as it takes to get into her pants.

He starts off with a strange variant on the notion that there are plenty of fish in the sea. If you feel that women won’t want to have sex with your Men’s-Rights-espousing self, Kuppers suggests,  it’s

because your brain was conditioned in a small communal/tribal setting. A group of angry women was a serious threat to your prospects of reproduction. As you know, women often act like herd animals, and view acceptance and appreciation from their peers of their choice of man to be important. This is completely moot today. There are millions of fish in the sea.

Aside from that final truism I have no fucking idea what he’s talking about.  I don’t recall growing up in anything that might possibly be considered – literally or figuratively – a “tribal setting” ruled over by a group – sorry, a herd – of “angry women” hell-bent on keeping me from reproducing.  Is this a common experience? Also, I have precisely zero interest in “reproduction.”  Indeed, I sort of make it a policy to only have sex with women who are at least as interested in preventing reproduction as I am.

On to point two in this curious document, which is that ladies love dudes with strong opinions:

Women, while they do not always explicitly say so and sometimes contradict so, sincerely do appreciate a man who has strong internal beliefs and principles, and does not compromise that for the sake of assuaging someone else’s sensitivities, including theirs. A man who is willing to pretend he is something he is not, isn’t attractive on a deep masculine level to women.

True, up to a point, but you might want to keep all that shit about women being angry reproduction-threatening herd animals to yourself. That might not go over so well on your first Starbucks coffee date. Or ever. Protip: Misogyny aside, very few people want to get with people who refer to sex as “reproduction.”

But if your desire for sex outweighs your manly desire to be truthful about your obnoxious beliefs, well, that’s all good too – if by “all good” you mean “you can still have angry sex with women you despise if you just keep your pie hole shut for a few hours.” Or, as Kuppers puts it in his third and final point, which he apparently doesn’t realize completely contradicts point number two:

The kind of woman who a) wants you to be subordinate to her crazy foaming feminist nonsense, and b) has no tolerance or patience for your concerns, is not worth anything more than a cheap, well-protected fuck anyway. Fine, keep your mouth shut for the couple of hours it takes to get her into bed, but you’d be mad to pursue anything more serious with a woman like that.

Men’s Rightsers – such romantics at heart!

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SallyStrange
SallyStrange
10 years ago

You guys should know that I couldn’t give a shit when you call me unsubstantiated names likes “woman-hater” and “misogynist” despite my very clear assertions that I am neither.

You SAY that you don’t hate all women. But you only say this because you have a perception that this is socially unacceptable. The content of everything else you say, however, indicates that you have a blanket hostility towards women.

As I said, you are exactly like a racist who espouses racist views while simultaneously proclaiming that he is not a racist. That shit is not going to fly anymore.

If you REALLY TRULY desire not to be regarded as a misogynist then you’d better change shit up. Change the way you think and the way you talk. This is not the thought police, by the way–you are perfectly free to continue on as you have been, but just be aware that you will have to face people telling you that, “Gosh, you seem like a guy who has a really fucking huge problem with women in general.”

Lady Victoria von Syrus
Lady Victoria von Syrus
10 years ago

I’m sure fat women the world over will be thrilled that you are willing to approve of them due to ‘variability in metabolic rate.’

SallyStrange
SallyStrange
10 years ago

It’s not like I don’t consider everything.

Oh yes, I forgot to call you a liar. Liar.

Ami Angelwings
10 years ago

@MRAL nice try xD you avoid specific questions and prefer just to claim you know things… and then get upset when ppl suggest you don’t since you refuse to answer the whys and hows and everything else? xD And then you get all upset when ppl suggest you’re a troll xD

I personally like syrup on my waffles 😀

*dodges hammer of thor*

xD

PosterformerlyknownasElizabeth
PosterformerlyknownasElizabeth
10 years ago

Let me see-Everyone points out you are wrong, I actually show you how you are wrong and you get mad because you find out you are wrong.

So therefore I am the idiot. I suppose if you think that someone showing you the error of your ways is an idiot…sure. Why not?

You still wanted to wank to those photos so you are reversing yourself-at least I can think about giving you credit for growing a little. *remembers the grope thread* Nope, sorry, you are going to have to do a lot more growing.

Ami Angelwings
10 years ago

MRAL is back!

@Mr. Kobold That was my first thought too xD Came back from grocery shopping… kinda bored.. check site.. YAY MRAL IS BACK XD Let the amusements begin xD

Oh btw, who’s going to see X-Men this weekend? 😀 I’m gonna see it tmrw :3

PosterformerlyknownasElizabeth
PosterformerlyknownasElizabeth
10 years ago

Ami, I am not…going to create a new hamburger recipe.

Doctress Julia
10 years ago

Who’s ‘Poster’, and why are they an idiot?

I like the term ‘hypothetically slap’, BTW… 😀

Men's Rights Activist Lieutenant
Men's Rights Activist Lieutenant
10 years ago

I do not want to wank to those photos, Poster. She’s not THAT attractive.

I couldn’t give a shit whether you fucking retards approve of the change in my politics, I’m simply giving you the facts so you’re informed.

Finally, I stand by everything I said in the groping thread.

Ami Angelwings
10 years ago

A few minutes ago, I included “fat chicks” in the list of women I disliked- that was a mistake, force of habit. So no, fat women are not included in my hatred anymore.

Ooh you have a list? 😀

EXCELLENT

Who is on your list? What kinds of women? What types of women do you hate? o:

Doctress Julia
10 years ago

I’m going to see X Men this weekend!!! I am trying to get together as many nerdy stoner feminist jocks as possible, and make it a night out! 😀

tofu nutloaf
tofu nutloaf
10 years ago

Wait, so we’re supposed to believe that someone who refers to women (plural) as “bitches” doesn’t have some kind of blanket hatred toward women?

What a bunch of raging bullshit.

oh, and those “needs” men have? Women have them too, so why not seek out someone who has the same level of “need”, and has no real interest in knowing their partner, and get it on? It’s more honest and probably less work than keeping your piehole shut.

Doctress Julia
10 years ago

I’ll even let ‘fucking retards’ come with us!

They have to buy the drinks after the movie, though.

Lady Victoria von Syrus
Lady Victoria von Syrus
10 years ago

Finally, I stand by everything I said in the groping thread.

And so we stand by our assertion that you’re a misogynist.

Lady Victoria von Syrus
Lady Victoria von Syrus
10 years ago

Oooh, I’m going to see X-Men tonight with my boyfriend and a friend!

SallyStrange
SallyStrange
10 years ago

I couldn’t give a shit whether you fucking retards approve of the change in my politics, I’m simply giving you the facts so you’re informed.

Obviously you care SOMETHING about our opinion, else you wouldn’t be wasting your fucking time here. Once upon a time, people sympathized with you and tried to give you helpful advice. You spit on it all, metaphorically, when you insisted in the groping thread that women who feel traumatized by being harassed by strangers in the street are just weak, and the rest of them are lying.

It takes HATRED OF WOMEN to sincerely believe that is true.

When you did that, you took all that good will and hopeful wishes that you might get over your insecurities and realize that life isn’t all that fucking bad, and shoved it right back in the faces of everyone who’s posted here.

Nobinayamu had the right idea in chewing you out.

Ami Angelwings
10 years ago

@MRAL Finally, I stand by everything I said in the groping thread.

Good 😀 Then let’s try again… why do you think people are lying? Specifically, what about it makes you think that all the stories were lies or exaggerations? If they’re exaggerations, what do you think ACTUALLY happened? How do you know this?

Do you believe women actually do get sexually assaulted?

Do you think Pecunium is lying? Why or why not?

Let’s start with those :3 How do you “know” things if you don’t actually have a reason for knowing them? o_O And since like before, with your whole “i know that women are treated better than me, i know etc etc etc about women’s lives” and then realizing you didn’t at all… this is similar, if you don’t actually have reasons behind how sure you are, maybe you’re not that sure xD

Mr. Kobold
Mr. Kobold
10 years ago

“I’m simply giving you the facts so you’re informed.”

What facts would those be:

“Boohoohoo life is so hard for sad, self-pitying, mentally stunted hunch-backed eye beasts such as myself. Time to go on the internet to have ‘intelligent’ discourse about my pathetic violence fantasies and how no person, especially any women, has ever had it harder then me”

God this scrub is pure gold, honestly what’s it like in Boston? Do you live in the dorms cause if you’re anything like the sad misanthrope misogynist toolbox who was in my dorms freshman year people are having a ball talking about how lame you are.

“Finally, I stand by everything I said in the groping thread.”

The most important part of being a piece of shit is never having to admit you’re wrong.

SallyStrange
SallyStrange
10 years ago

Do you believe women actually do get sexually assaulted?

No, he does not. Or, if they do, it’s no big deal and they should just shrug it off. Because a man’s desire to grab a breast a random intervals is WAAAY more important than a woman’s desire to feel like she can exist in the public sphere as a PERSON rather than a fuck-toy.

Mral is a disgusting misogynist.

PosterformerlyknownasElizabeth
PosterformerlyknownasElizabeth
10 years ago

I am Poster, Doctress Julia.

MRAL-yeah whatever. Look, glad to see you might be crawling out of that moral and mental sewer you live in. But you have a very long way to go before you will not be considered animated sewer slime.

Mr. Kobold
Mr. Kobold
10 years ago

And I’m not sure about X-Men First Class Ami, if you like at history of the comic even the entire series didn’t take off until Wolverine showed up, and this is a movie devoid of him so I don’t think it’s gonna pull a lot heat.

On a personal note X-Men started weirding me out during the Grant Morrison run with it’s “Homo Superior” theme. And it made me evaluate the whole “beautiful people who can use their brain-powers to make me forget the damage they’ve done” as kind of sketch.

Personally I like a lot of checks and balances on my psykers.

Johnny Pez
10 years ago

I don’t keep up with popular culture like I should. Is this X-Men a continuation of the series, or a Gritty Reboot?

Doctress Julia
10 years ago

My record for being groped or harassed physically (this is excluding verbal harassment and/or assault) is 4 times in one night. I was seeing a band I love, and had no desire to let scumbags make me leave early and miss the last set. So, I stayed and fought them off, one by one as the night went on… it was about once every half hour or so. Sometimes, that is the reality for me if I go out or partake in any kind of ‘nightlife’. Oh well, that’s fine- I kind of like finishing fights.

It is getting kinda old, though (the being harassed when in public thing)… I’ve been going to shows for over 15 years.

Oh, wait: I made that all up! Or, did I…?

Ami Angelwings
10 years ago

@Kobold a movie devoid of Wolverine makes me pleased xD I have wolvie overload xD

I’m not actually a fan of the comic, but I just like watching superhero movies 😀

NWOslave
NWOslave
10 years ago

@PosterformerlyknownasElizabeth….
“EW-you suffer from the same problem that NWOaf suffers from. In this case, you seem to have no clue why pornography is banned in Iceland-the people there do not like exploitation of women. I know, SHOCKING to want to prevent women from being anything more then receptacles of semen. How dare they actually expect to have all women treated with respect and not forced into prostitution.”

The banning of porn has nothing to do with exploitation. Women willingly with full knowlege engage in porn for money and/or attention, period. Respect is not a default, it has to be earned. Prostitution is again women doling out sex for money, nothing else. They’re not forced. To say a crack addict woman is forced into prostitution is akin to saying a crack addict man is forced into robbery or theft.

Have any of you ever been given a gift or treated to dinner and a movie and sex with a man? Well than you’re a prostitute. Has a man ever bought you a drink or dinner, movie, ect and you haven’t given up any sex. Well you used him, and you know it. You took his money as sure as a mugger would take yours. You’re a vile creature who used someone. Unless you’ve never took any money/gift from a man you’ve used them.

@chocominties…….
“Sex is not a need. You will not die without it. You’ll probably just have more wet dreams, if anything.”

Well being treated with respect isn’t a “need” either you won’t die without it.

@SallyStrange…….
“If “men have needs,” then they can always masturbate. There’s no need to involve another person in your masturbation.”

If women have “needs” why should they be met if reciprication to a man having needs is openly mocked and dismissed?

All of you constantly talking about the different men you’ve been with. How mens needs should be dismissed because you won’t die if they’re not met. How you can dress any act anyway you want. So what is you have to offer other than sex. You’re not loyal, you’ll use mens money for free meals, movies, drinks, ect. You’ll dress up and enjoy the attention of other men reguardless of being married/going steady.

Look at the women politicians, the newspaper, articles galore of women calling men the vilest things imaginable and acting as if their foul words took courage to speak ot write. If men said these things as politicians or editors, ect they would get fired immediatly. Courage on a womans part is a cheap commodity when there is never any risk of punishment.

So what is it that women do that commands respect? As I said respect is earned. When the only thing “offered” is sex at a price, than men will pay the price but “offer” nothing in return.

PosterformerlyknownasElizabeth
PosterformerlyknownasElizabeth
10 years ago

I hear a lot of buzzing noise but hear no words. NWOaf must have appeared again.

Lady Victoria von Syrus
Lady Victoria von Syrus
10 years ago

So if you go on a date with a man, and you sleep with him, you’re a whore. If you go on a date with a man, and you don’t sleep with him, you’re a user.

That’s misogyny, where there’s no possible way for a woman to do anything right – and also, where you’re completely discounting the man’s experience as well. But then again, you cannot conceive of the idea that man might want to spend time with a woman because he finds her company enjoyable.

SallyStrange
SallyStrange
10 years ago

No woman will ever earn respect from you, NWOaf. But I understand it makes you look a little less stark raving misogynist if you pretend otherwise.

I don’t understand why you guys don’t just reclaim the label. Be PROUD of who you are! Stop letting those feminists push you around. It’s OKAY to hate women if they’re really so awful!

Doctress Julia
10 years ago

Oh. Oops, doy. I kind of always think of you as Liz. Or ‘Beth..? I’ll call you what you like, of course. 🙂

I’m just seeing XMen because it’s sci-fi-ish, I’ve seen all the others, so hey, why not? I’m going to see it with an open mind, and I know diddly shit about the plot or anything. It’ll be fun, I think!

Never did like the XMen comics, though… I prefer more alt-press kind of stuff.

Elfquest was my first comic book obsession.
Love and Rockets was my second… I was 14… wow, I am a salty old nerd! 😀

Men's Rights Activist Lieutenant
Men's Rights Activist Lieutenant
10 years ago

I maintain that I don’t understand what was so fucking criminal about my comments in the groping thread. How many people here have told me, in some way or another, to get over myself? Maybe I do need to, a little. Not in the sense that I’m wrong, but in that sense that I need to let go of some very justified anger in order to make some connections. So I’ll concede that point. Likewise, I think that some of the people in the groping thread need to fucking get over themselves. That’s a way bigger whine fest than anything I’ve ever done. Someone grabs your ass and you’re traumatized? Please. And yes there were SOME legitimate assaults described, but most of it was just victim fetish crap, typical of feminists.

SallyStrange
SallyStrange
10 years ago

I’m thinking of going to see X-Men and Fast Five at the drive-in theater! BOOM CRASH BANG!!!!

Mr. Kobold
Mr. Kobold
10 years ago

“If women have “needs” why should they be met if reciprication to a man having needs is openly mocked and dismissed?”

NWO all you’re “needs” consists of someone to make tinfoil hats for you as protection from the Jews. Wait I’m sorry, we’re in tired conspiracy theorist nomenclature-land, you mean protection from the “Rothschilds”.

And given your profile pic maybe someone to play rough with you? Strapping MIBs in Black Hawk helicopters perhaps? *Nudge nudge*

kirbywarp
kirbywarp
10 years ago

MRAL, let me fill you in a little bit about what’s going on:

You come on to this thread proclaiming that you hate all fat chicks, think they aren’t even human. Elizabeth shows you a plus-sized model, you think she’s attractive. Elizabeth reveals her wait, suddenly you don’t like her anymore. Then you decide that MAYBE thinking all fat chicks aren’t human might be a little harsh.

Meanwhile you dismiss any experience of groping or assault that is shared with you, assuring the posters that it isn’t REALLY a big deal, and they should just get over it. Meanwhile, you share horror stories about women not talking to you in the elevator (ie spitting) and about your terrifying deformity of having one eye slightly bigger than the other, and get violent when people tell you your problems aren’t as bad as you think they are. All of this while repeatedly claiming your intellectual superiority.

Apparently, we aren’t taking your shit anymore. If you’re gonna make a claim, you better damn well back it up. If you’re gonna call everyone but yourself a liar, we’re gonna call you out on it. You are dead-set on your world view, and instead of attempting to understand why people aren’t buying it, you instead go on reactionary rants. (Call me a liar, will you? I’ll call you a liar too! Ha ha!)

We are not stupid people, we are not brainwashed, as much as you’d like to think so. Their are some amazingly intelligent, and experienced, people on this forum with the background to be able to test your claims for basic sanity checks. Listen to them, and if you disagree, explain why. If you aren’t willing to do so, you and your opinions are not worth the electricity needed to light up the pixels of your text on my screen.

NWOslave
NWOslave
10 years ago

@Lady Victoria von Syrus

If you use a mans money and give him sex you are a prostitute, If you use a mans money and offer nothing you a vile creature who has stolen a mans money.

Pay your own way thru life.

Is there any among you who can say you’ve done neither?

PosterformerlyknownasElizabeth
PosterformerlyknownasElizabeth
10 years ago

MRAL-once again, fail. Most of the stories were not something you can easily get over.

Here is a story of someone getting over it: a friend of mine’s boyfriend in high school grabbed my breast without permission. It happened, I told him off, and nothing more was said. I was not traumatized, I “got over it” as you put it. But that happened nearly 17 years ago and I still remember it.

So you have no right to claim what someone else experienced was or was not traumatizing or was something that they have no right to remember.

NWOslave
NWOslave
10 years ago

@Mr. Kobold…

If you want to believe the Fed is run by the State knock yourself out.

Ami Angelwings
10 years ago

@MRAL which ones?

According to you, you haven’t even gotten over a woman not saying hi back to you.. you still remember it and bring it up to this day xD So do you think somebody being ignored by a stranger is worse than somebody being sexually assaulted?

I’m actually not assuming your answer either, I’m just curious about your worldview, cuz as I said there’s this gigantic chasm between you and other ppl you try to engage with her 🙁 and maybe more understanding of what you actually mean will help :3

Lady Victoria von Syrus
Lady Victoria von Syrus
10 years ago

MRAL, when your bodily autonomy is violated, you’ll have something to complain about. Your lack of attention from women is not the same thing as being abused in public (or in private).

And it’s not up to you to adjudicate which stories are real and deserving of sympathy and which are just exaggerations. Your refusal to understand why having your ass grabbed by a stranger is upsetting is part of what makes you a misogynist. But then again, you think violence is an acceptable response to a tepid ‘hi’ in an elevator, and have admitted that the only reason you don’t hurt people is because you’d get in trouble (not because, you know, hurting people is WRONG).

Men's Rights Activist Lieutenant
Men's Rights Activist Lieutenant
10 years ago

Well, Poster I think we need people to give us perspective, and tell us that something minor is something minor.

SallyStrange
SallyStrange
10 years ago

I maintain that I don’t understand what was so fucking criminal about my comments in the groping thread.

You called people who were sharing their experiences a bunch of weak-ass liars. You don’t understand how that’s a fucking horrible thing to do? Well, you’re an idiot as well as a misogynist.

How many people here have told me, in some way or another, to get over myself? Maybe I do need to, a little. Not in the sense that I’m wrong, but in that sense that I need to let go of some very justified anger in order to make some connections.

If your anger is justified, then you have no business telling anyone else to get over their anger about being groped. You self-indulgent, selfish, narcissistic, misogynist wanker.

So I’ll concede that point.

Yeah right. Until the next conversation.

Likewise, I think that some of the people in the groping thread need to fucking get over themselves.

You’re an asshole. What business do you have telling other people how to feel about being assaulted and harassed? You said all your anger about being IGNORED is justified, but someone actually GRABBING a woman is just whatever. This is why I call you a pathetic misogynist.

That’s a way bigger whine fest than anything I’ve ever done.

Liar. You are the king of whines.

Someone grabs your ass and you’re traumatized? Please.

Asshole. Insensitive brute, who can’t think outside his own head and wouldn’t even want to if he could. You have no empathy, you have no sense of justice, and you have no idea of what it’s like to be a woman in the world. Why do you insist on belittling our experiences? What does it get you? A sense of superiority or something?

And yes there were SOME legitimate assaults described, but most of it was just victim fetish crap, typical of feminists.

Which were which, you fuckwit? Quotes, links, and fucking details. RIGHT NOW or shut the fuck up about this forever.

kirbywarp
kirbywarp
10 years ago

“Likewise, I think that some of the people in the groping thread need to fucking get over themselves. That’s a way bigger whine fest than anything I’ve ever done. Someone grabs your ass and you’re traumatized? Please.”

Imagine you’re on a train riding home after a long day. Suddenly some fat chick starts fondling your balls. For most of the way. Imagine, and this is gonna be hard, that you’re in a situation where if you respond, the chick might get violent, maybe she has a knife in her pocket, you don’t know. Now imagine this happens to you consistantly every other week or so. Are you beginning to see why this is a big deal?

Men's Rights Activist Lieutenant
Men's Rights Activist Lieutenant
10 years ago

Ami, the elevator thing happened like 3 weeks ago, I was irrationally angry for a minute, and then got over it. It’s you people who keep bringing it up.

Ami Angelwings
10 years ago

@SallyStrange rly? Fast Five? :3 I’ve never watched any of those movies. Are they good? 😀 (for their genre) I enjoy fast cars and racing 😀

Johnny Pez
10 years ago

Hey, Slavey, here’s a relatively simple question: why are you here?

SallyStrange
SallyStrange
10 years ago

Ahhhh…

That was cathartic.

Men's Rights Activist Lieutenant
Men's Rights Activist Lieutenant
10 years ago

kirby, I’d probably get up and (gasp) leave, or tell her to step off or get kicked in the gut. Then I’d go home and forget about it.

Mr. Kobold
Mr. Kobold
10 years ago

“And yes there were SOME legitimate assaults described, but most of it was just victim fetish crap, typical of feminists.”

Just like you’re victim fetish about being spat on by hordes of imaginary women? And your victim fetish about being pushed around by the Alpha and Beta demigods that hold your misshapen self in contempt?

NWOslave
NWOslave
10 years ago

@Johnny Pez….

To mock the hypocritical feminists of course.

SallyStrange
SallyStrange
10 years ago

Ami, if you like fast cars and racing then you will LOVE the Fast & Furious series. Some are better than others. The “Tokyo Drift” one, which I think was #3, was more plot-free than the other ones. But on the whole they’re pretty good. Very racially diverse, but matter-of-fact about it, so that’s a plus. A little sexist with the way they use their (very few) female characters, so that’s a minus. YMMV, but I enjoy them.

Men's Rights Activist Lieutenant
Men's Rights Activist Lieutenant
10 years ago

Kobold, the difference is that the events described were one-shot deals. I am metaphorically spit on every day, in a constant loop. It’s a general lifestyle, for Christ’s sake. If it all stopped, I’d be totally willing to forgive and forget.