The Men’s Rights subreddit on Reddit is awash in mini-manifestos. My favorite of the most recent batch, a rousing 3-part rant running under the title “Do not fear them!”
Who is “them,” you ask?
Women who might just decide that they don’t really want to have sex with some dude who keeps going on about how men are the most oppressed group in the world.
Responding, apparently, to a comment in an earlier thread suggesting “that being publicly vocal about the way men’s rights are trampled on and ignored is a great way to lose the opportunity of getting laid,” manifesto writer Kuppers argues that it just ain’t so — but when it is, just bite your tongue for as long as it takes to get into her pants.
He starts off with a strange variant on the notion that there are plenty of fish in the sea. If you feel that women won’t want to have sex with your Men’s-Rights-espousing self, Kuppers suggests, it’s
because your brain was conditioned in a small communal/tribal setting. A group of angry women was a serious threat to your prospects of reproduction. As you know, women often act like herd animals, and view acceptance and appreciation from their peers of their choice of man to be important. This is completely moot today. There are millions of fish in the sea.
Aside from that final truism I have no fucking idea what he’s talking about. I don’t recall growing up in anything that might possibly be considered – literally or figuratively – a “tribal setting” ruled over by a group – sorry, a herd – of “angry women” hell-bent on keeping me from reproducing. Is this a common experience? Also, I have precisely zero interest in “reproduction.” Indeed, I sort of make it a policy to only have sex with women who are at least as interested in preventing reproduction as I am.
On to point two in this curious document, which is that ladies love dudes with strong opinions:
Women, while they do not always explicitly say so and sometimes contradict so, sincerely do appreciate a man who has strong internal beliefs and principles, and does not compromise that for the sake of assuaging someone else’s sensitivities, including theirs. A man who is willing to pretend he is something he is not, isn’t attractive on a deep masculine level to women.
True, up to a point, but you might want to keep all that shit about women being angry reproduction-threatening herd animals to yourself. That might not go over so well on your first Starbucks coffee date. Or ever. Protip: Misogyny aside, very few people want to get with people who refer to sex as “reproduction.”
But if your desire for sex outweighs your manly desire to be truthful about your obnoxious beliefs, well, that’s all good too – if by “all good” you mean “you can still have angry sex with women you despise if you just keep your pie hole shut for a few hours.” Or, as Kuppers puts it in his third and final point, which he apparently doesn’t realize completely contradicts point number two:
The kind of woman who a) wants you to be subordinate to her crazy foaming feminist nonsense, and b) has no tolerance or patience for your concerns, is not worth anything more than a cheap, well-protected fuck anyway. Fine, keep your mouth shut for the couple of hours it takes to get her into bed, but you’d be mad to pursue anything more serious with a woman like that.
Men’s Rightsers – such romantics at heart!
Mr. Al: Men have needs, and if they must be sated with woman who they personally dislike, that is undesirable but better than abstinence.
I don’t believe you. Liar! Whiner! Weak ass!
Finally, a woman can choose who she has sex with, that doesn’t mean she gets to control her partner’s private thoughts, much as the feminist thought police would like to believe otherwise.
I had sex with a guy who treated me like a piece of shit afterwards. I didn’t have sex with him again after that. Does that count as “feminist thought police”?
So if a chick slept with you MRAL and it turned out she was actively campaigning to have you put down for having a deformed eye (yes, I am exaggerating) but had lied to you in order to get you into bed, you would be okay with being used like that?
if I was unable to get a relationship with someone I valued
But you don’t value women.
Or is your only metric of a person’s value how often they put out for you and refrain from disagreeing with you?
you bet your ass I’d take sex with some idiot over nothing.
I feel sorry for the so-called ‘idiot’, then.
And look at the link I posted, I really want your opinion on it MRAL.
Or is your only metric of a person’s value how often they put out for you and refrain from disagreeing with you?
That and whether she’s fat.
I think it’s the author’s obvious contempt for women that is bothering people here.
Firstly, I can’t even tell what the picture in that link is supposed to be? A woman I guess? I can barely tell. So the answer is no.
Secondly, masturbation and sex are different. If I want to have sex, it’s my damn right to go and and seek out consensual sexual relations, no matter what kind of horrible person you think I am.
Finally, I do value women who are not bitches or fat chicks.
Finally, I do value women who are not bitches or fat chicks.
Not a trace of irony, folks. None.
You need to get your eyes checked MRAL because that was clearly a woman. *rolls eyes*
CB-that requires some kind of sense and sensibility. Would the lady in the photos I posted look better if she was holding some bacon though?
If I want to have sex, it’s my damn right to go and and seek out consensual sexual relations, no matter what kind of horrible person you think I am.
No one’s saying that you don’t have the right to try; we’re just saying, don’t be surprised if the women you go for do in fact decide that you’re a horrible person they’d rather not sleep with, once they pick up on your thinly veiled contempt for them.
Finally, I do value women who are not bitches
Well, considering your going definition of ‘bitch’ is ‘woman who won’t sleep with me or say hi to me in an elevator’, I think I’m pretty well accurate in my summation of what sort of woman you value.
We’re all bitches and fat chicks, Mr. Al. Even if it doesn’t seem that way. Eventually we’re all going to do something bitchy and gain some weight. So no, you don’t value women, you’re a disgusting, pathetic, misogynist wretch who gets his rocks off by being abused by anonymous women on the internet. You’d probably have a better experience if you owned up to your neurosis and just sprung for a professional dominatrix.
Would the lady in the photos I posted look better if she was holding some bacon though?
Well, I rather think that’s a given. 🙂
Secondly, masturbation and sex are different.
Not if you’re treating your sex partner like a fleshlight or a dildo.
1. Sex is not a need. You will not die without it. You’ll probably just have more wet dreams, if anything.
2. If my looks get too loose, I can always just tighten them. No biggie. (OMFG LEARN THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN “LOOSE” AND “LOSE”)
3. @Zombie They say the way to a man’s heart is through his stomach, so if you put it there it’ll reach the heart eventually. Right? Or is it different for zombies?
You meant “I value women who aren’t bitches and fat chicks and who don’t spit on me.”
So no, you don’t value women, you’re a disgusting, pathetic, misogynist wretch who gets his rocks off by being abused by anonymous women on the internet.
I kind of see him as the kid who keeps acting up in class because of the attention it brings him. I mean, how many threads on this blog have become the MRAL Therapy Hour? He’s got an amazing talent for making the discussion all about him and his issues. Sometimes I feel bad for feeding the troll, but I hope at least some lurkers might pick up a few tips.
You’d probably have a better experience if you owned up to your neurosis and just sprung for a professional dominatrix.
Aw, I don’t think being into BDSM is a neurosis, per se. And dominatrices have a finely honed bullshit radar. Believe me, no one can spot a misogynist coming like an S&M worker. That doesn’t mean she won’t still take your money (she’s got bills, too), but they’re really, really hard to fool.
a. I’m not being abused, for the last few weeks I’ve been having fairly good intellectual conversation, IMO.
b. Posterformerly… OK? What was the point of showing me an image of a regular woman? Yes, she’s fairly attractive.
Sorry, didn’t mean to imply that a taste for BDSM is the same thing as a neurosis. I should know better. Thanks, Lady VVS. I do think that servicing Mral’s insecurities is hard enough work that someone should be getting paid for it. Not me, though. I’m just going to make fun of him.
I’m not being abused, for the last few weeks I’ve been having fairly good intellectual conversation, IMO.
Yeah, you did and then you turned right back around and went back to square one, demonstrating that you’ve learned nothing and are willing to learn nothing. I really wish people would stop indulging your self-pitying whines and just call you out for the twisted woman-hating immature asshole that you are. That’s the tack I’m going to take with you from here on out, anyway.
I choose to have sex with people who like and respect me as much as I like and respect them. It’s awesome. Like sex is WAAAAY better than pathetic imaginary hate sex. Twice a day at least, please! 😀
And, about that whole hairy ugly fat slutty etc feminists thing…
I have, as of yesterday had encounters with no less than 8 self-identified MRAs. Within the last month or so. I think they’ve thawed out/come out from their dank hideyholes since it’s spring or whatever. Guess what? They were all, without exception, horrid little trolls. Sweaty, halitosis-ridden, obese…. Going Their Own Way means not practicing even the most basic hygeine, apparently. The one guy who was a Surprise! MRA was actually kind of cute (he sat down next to me at a bar)… and then he opened his mouth. Pure toxic waste in the form of persecution delusions and outright hatred of women spilled forth from this formerly-cute guy’s gaping piehole (he also refused to call me by my name, even after introducing myself- he called me ‘honey’ twice, even after I patiently told him to CALL ME BY MY NAME- he thought he was being cute or some shit, like oh, it’s so cute that you are disrespectful!). He was immediately transformed into one ugly, Lovecraftian blob of horror. I slammed my beer and left. All I could think to say to him (I was pretty baked, too, so I felt no hostility, really) was “What a goddamn fucking shame.”
Tragic. That’s what MRAs are to me. Just tragic.
Oh, I agree, someone should certainly be getting some cash for putting up with him and his whining, whether a therapist or a dominatrix. I’ve actually been entertaining myself with visions of how it would play out if MRAL tried his shit on any of the lovely dominatrices I know.
And from then on, she did all her shopping at the zombies and bacon online store, forever and ever, amen. It’s like the Venn diagram between these two interests is a perfect circle. Who knew?
@PosterformerlyknownasElizabeth http://manboobz.com/2011/05/28/saturday-morning-cartoons-choosing-a-husband-and-the-worlds-first-pua/comment-page-4/#comment-22847
Apparently he would try to beat her up if he thought he could get away with it O_O;;;
(it might just be positive upbeat me, but I didn’t think he was that wanting to be violent so it was a bit shocking when I saw this today O_O is sad… 🙁 )
But given that I’m the feminist thought police… it’s off to the re-education centre for him! 😀
xD